Queen Elizabeth funeral and looking forward

[fortwildernessishome]

I never claimed to know much about her family.

Okay, my mistake.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

We must be misunderstanding eachother.

I don’t think I ever gave Dad a free pass. I just think his punishment doesn’t fit his crime.

I don’t mean damage to Harry’s family in the public sense, I mean it within his family. He and his brother were always close. Now they barely speak. The Oprah interview was broadcast during a time when Prince Phillip was sick and dying. The hurt from that interview caused a great deal of pain particularly to Harry’s grandmother, father and brother (as well as many others in their family and country). Yet they still welcome them as part of their family, as we all saw this month.

Unlike with her Dad. He is persona non grata. Why can’t they be as forgiving to him as Harry’s family is to them?

I guess there are different ways to look at it.

BTW the word ‘hate’ has been thrown around here a lot. I don’t hate Harry. I dislike what he’s done, but I empathize with his feelings about his mother, and I hope that he can reconcile with his family at some point. Nor do I hate Meghan. I don’t think she is the person she portrays herself to be and I think she saw Harry as a stepping stone to her own ambitions, but I’m glad that, at least, Harry seems to be happy with her.

I do empathize with Meghan’s Dad. To be a good father all those years, then make one mistake, and that’s the end of the relationship forever. Somehow I think if it were him who was a king, it would be a different story.

At any rate, I find it all an interesting tale. As I said before, I’m not new to it, I’ve been following Harry’s story since he was born.

I am sure the royal family were hurt by the interview, but have they ever publically said that they were "hurt"?

I know the Queen said that their memories were different and William, (I think) said something about not being racist. But, have they ever spoken about being in a great deal of pain or is that an assumption?

For me personally, I don't believe that Meghans Dad only made "the one mistake". Thats just the mistake that we know about.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

I am going to bow out of this thread now.

I wondered why Harry and Meghan were so disliked (I won't say hate) on the Dis. and you have all explained your reasons. I've got it now, so carry on!

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Meghan’s Dad has said he’s had to defend himself.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I am sure the royal family were hurt by the interview, but have they ever publically said that they were "hurt"?

I know the Queen said that their memories were different and William, (I think) said something about not being racist. But, have they ever spoken about being in a great deal of pain or is that an assumption?

For me personally, I don't believe that Meghans Dad only made "the one mistake". Thats just the mistake that we know about.

They have a motto: Never complain, never explain. They could not defend themselves against H&M’s claims.

The most that they said was that “Recollections may vary” and William stated that the RF “is very much not a racist family”.

 

[Marrila]

I'm pretty calm! Haha!! I have no dog in this fight. I know the royal family and of course loved Princess Diana, but other than that, they are hardly on my radar.

Hate, dislike, disappointment whatever. Maybe not you personally, but its been obvious to me and others reading along, that some people on the Dis don't care (is that better?) for Harry and Megan. Not only on this thread, but from lots of others in the last couple of years.

Just a reminder, but when you (in your opinion) say "Megan sold out the entire royal family" Harry was sitting right next to her. So, maybe you should rephrase that to "Megan AND Harry sold out the entire royal family".

Okay, so the Dad did interviews AFTER she broke ties with him. What kind of loving parent gives interviews about how "disappointed" they are in their child. If my child and I had a falling out, I would be doing everything in my power to make things right! Anything and everything. I would NOT be speaking publically. Especially since he already knew that she wasnt happy about the whole "trying on the wedding suit" stunt. That tells me all I need to know about him, in that he wasnt this awesome Dad to Megan.

Oh and please don't confuse my criticism of the Dad in any way for not being calm! That was a good one! Ha!

It's OK to like Meg and Harry.

I have a different opinion, and that is OK too.
I'm not fond of (don't hate) full grown adults who tell deliberate falsehoods.
The Church of England would never marry anyone twice in 3 days. They take marriage, marriage vows and the actual wedding seriously.
There is no such thing as a #1 just for us wedding and a #2 spectacle wedding in 3 days.

So, going back in time, Meg was married to a man in the US and got a divorce.
She met Harry and got engaged. They had a lovely huge wedding courtesy of Great Britain.
But, the tall tales told on Oprah's couch brought lots of questions.
The Archbishop of Canterbury was put in a rather awkward position. Meg made it sound like she had ordered up a couple of ceremonies and he happily complied.
Of course, that was totally untrue.
Getting married is not like ordering a pizza.

 

[TLSnell1981]

It didn’t stop with the Oprah interview. Netflix and a tell all book were threatening too.next the Rev interview…week before the Queen died plus a statement with more threats from MM. Next the dribbling of info from their BFF Scobie and Gayle King spilling the day they arrived back into the USA.

Please don’t forget the timing of these damaging revelations…The Duke of Edinburgh on his death bed then the Queen. Those two have no shame.

 

[BayouQueen]

Meghan’s Dad has said he’s had to defend himself.

I was glad to see him do that. He'd had a good career, apparently well-respected for what he did, retired in a pleasant beach community, and all of a sudden he's made out to be some kind of greedy loser buffoon. He had to have some kind of decency in him or he wouldn't have enabled his daughter to obtain such a fine education. That was clearly important to him.

Honestly, sometimes it's fun to play devil's advocate or poke holes in the other guy's case, but I don't understand how anyone could think H&M have behaved well. Total lack of respect for others. Maybe they will behave well in future.

 

[Skywalker]

For me personally, I don't believe that Meghans Dad only made "the one mistake". Thats just the mistake that we know about.

You don't believe that? Interesting. I guess you can invent whatever you want to about the man, but Meghan herself hasn't said anything else bad he has ever done. Of course, maybe she just respects not airing dirty laundry, and keeping family issues private. Oh wait

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Oof, you guys, come on. Let’s not pretend Meghan’s father wouldn’t be top contender for the Sleaziest Father of the Year Award if such a thing existed. A quick recap:

• Thomas Markle and the half-siblings started running their mouths to the press the day after H&M announced their engagement, months before the wedding. (The half-siblings could be their own post so I won’t include their antics here.)
• Thomas Markle published private correspondence written to him by Meghan.
• He discussed details of conversations he had with Harry, including comments Harry made about the US president.
• He disparaged the royal family repeatedly, incessantly, along with making somewhat offensive comments about Diana.
• He threatened to testify in court against H&M on behalf of the tabloids.
• He’s given an obscene number of interviews to any media outlet that would listen. Some of these interviews lasted 9+ hours over the course of multiple days.
• He openly admitted that his plan was to continue giving stories to the press every 30 days until Meghan spoke to him.
• He’s publicly called Harry “stupid” and an “idiot” and threatened to “whip his candy-***.” He also challenged Harry to a duel.
• He threatened to petition the court to force visitation with Archie and Lilibet.
• He started a YouTube channel earlier this year where he and his cohost bashed the royal family/H&M and pulled creepy stunts like attending the Platinum Jubilee and touring an open house for the property next to Doria’s home where they peeked into her yard and discussed purchasing the house so they could get close to the kids.
• Two weeks ago Thomas Markle had a restraining order issued against him for making death threats to the owner of a tabloid.

The words threat/threatened come up an awful lot when discussing Thomas Markle’s behavior, don’t they? If we imagine for a moment we were talking about Meghan’s ex-boyfriend instead of her father, I think people would realize the advice from most would be that all the signs of potential danger are there, she should not have contact with him, and she should do what she can to keep herself and her family safe.

This is not at all a situation of a naive old man making one little mistake and being disowned by his unforgiving daughter. He has spent years actively and publicly trying to tear her down. Nor did it all start with the wedding. A few years ago an old friend of Meghan’s released a video of Meghan saying she didn’t have a good relationship with her father. She was 18 at the time.

 

[BayouQueen]

Well, @TipsyTraveler , you have been following the saga. But recollections and interpretations may vary.
But whatever, we're all friends here.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Well, @TipsyTraveler , you have been following the saga. But recollections and interpretations may vary.
But whatever, we're all friends here.

Yes, I follow the threads about the royal family here on the DIS. It’s not a topic I’m passionate about by any means, but I find it more interesting than “Songs with Words” and “What are the last 4 digits of your social security number?” Since most discussion of the royal family centers around Meghan, that’s the one aspect of the monarchy I’m pretty well-versed in. I didn’t know there was a Philip or an Anne, Edward, or Andrew until 2020, for example, but thanks to all the “interest” in wretched Meghan sinking her claws into poor Harry and ripping him away from his loving family, I’ve learned quite a bit in the past couple of years. Half of my last post was just a repeat of things I remembered from prior posts, the other half were learned tonight when I googled “Remind me again why Meghan Markle’s father is a huge piece of garbage.”

ETA: For the record, there are pictures of me taken in front of Buckingham Palace, not once but twice, years apart, long before I really knew anything about the royal family. Just saying, it can happen.

 

[MrsPete]

I don’t think I ever gave Dad a free pass. I just think his punishment doesn’t fit his crime ...

Agree. You've gotta do something pretty horrendous to be denied attendance at your daughter's wedding -- I'm not sure he deserved that and a public flaying as well.

I don’t mean damage to Harry’s family in the public sense, I mean it within his family. He and his brother were always close. Now they barely speak.

Do we know that? I mean, they live a world apart, so clearly we're not going to see pictures of them going out to ballgames together -- but how do we know they don't text and communicate on a regular basis?

I don’t think she is the person she portrays herself to be and I think she saw Harry as a stepping stone to her own ambitions, but I’m glad that, at least, Harry seems to be happy with her

I do think she's building "a brand" for herself, and Harry is the handsome prince cornerstone of that brand; however, consider the life he's led: Harry's in his late 30s. Women have thrown themselves at him all his life. Surely both his parents prepared him to deal with that. I just don't think Megan is so charming that she overwhelmed him and caught him off-guard. I give Harry a little more credit than that.

What kind of loving parent gives interviews about how "disappointed" they are in their child.

A parent who feels pretty sure the relationship is over.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Well, @TipsyTraveler , you have been following the saga. But recollections and interpretations may vary.
But whatever, we're all friends here.

Thomas Markle had a heart attack just before the wedding. He responded to unfavorable press ....inappropriately. He felt the need to defend himself. Unfortunately everything was printed for the world to see. I don't disagree regarding the comment about Harry. He's not the first to make that assumption. The restraining order was requested due to a quote in the recently published book "Revenge". He did not contest the RO. Mr. Markle is recovering from a major stroke that left him unable to speak .

As far as the family running their mouths..we can include MM. t think Meg, her PR team and "friends" have quite outdone her family.

 

[Skywalker]

There was an article in the BBC, the Queen's death certificate released:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63078676

 

[TipsyTraveler]

There was an article in the BBC, the Queen's death certificate released:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63078676

Interesting cause of death. So much for the old adage “age isn’t a disease.”

Also, she died two hours before William and Co. arrived at Balmoral, a mere half hour into their flight, so we can put to rest the rumors that Harry held up the plane for an hour and caused the family to miss saying goodbye.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There was an article in the BBC, the Queen's death certificate released:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63078676

We just put natural causes don't we? Or is there also times where age is listed on the death certificate as cause of death?

 

[Skywalker]

Interesting cause of death. So much for the old adage “age isn’t a disease.”

We just put natural causes don't we? Or is there also times where age is listed on the death certificate as cause of death?

It does note in the article:

"The advice from coroners is that "old age" can be given as the sole cause of death in some "very limited circumstances".
This would be where the certifying doctor has personally cared for someone over a long period; where a "gradual decline" has been observed and where a doctor is not aware of "any identifiable disease or injury" contributing to a death."

So I guess it is relatively rare to list it as so, but possible.

I love the listing of her Occupation: Her Majesty the Queen. So cool. So badass lol. I really love everything about how she dedicated her life to service and duty.

 

[NotUrsula]

I really don't think a relationship with any one family member is indicative of an unusual personality issue, so I really don't think the Meghan vs. Dad saga matters all that much. What always gives me pause, with anyone, is when they seem to have issues with many members of their family on both sides *and* a whole lot of former co-workers and social acquaintances as well.

IME, when there are a whole lot of people from different walks of life that seem to all have in common that they personally found person X difficult, most of the time the problem will indeed turn out to be person X. I don't know any of these players personally, so I couldn't say what they are really like, but an unusually large number of people who do know them seem to have found them difficult. (And that includes Harry before he met her. He was often described as being spoilt and/or petulant back then, particularly when it came to RF duties, which he plainly did not want to be doing. I think a lot of people felt sorry for him and gave him a pass with the excuse of callow youth, but he's 40, so that ship has sailed.)

PS: As for QEII's cause of death, this is plainly a case where the attending physician is choosing to protect the patient's privacy. Vague causes of death are common on the paperwork for VIPs, and as long as there was no possibility of foul play, they are generally accepted.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

PS: As for QEII's cause of death, this is plainly a case where the attending physician is choosing to protect the patient's privacy. Vague causes of death are common on the paperwork for VIPs, and as long as there was no possibility of foul play, they are generally accepted.

This is my assumption as well, but I have to imagine a more specific cause of death is listed somewhere if only for the purpose of keeping accurate historical records, even if those records won’t be released to the public for a hundred years or something. Do others agree?