Queen Elizabeth funeral and looking forward

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

From my understanding only subjects have to kneel so Meghan wasnt required to correct?

I see you edited your comment of

"it’s human nature to be curious on how biology works and wonder what traits a child takes. Nothing wrong to ask the obvious- dont people ask “does the baby have blue ir brown eyes” same thing to me. When our nephew was about to be a father ( he has white European genetics and his wife Asian genetics) so naturally we were all openly discussing ( including him and his wife ) whether the baby would take on more European or Asian traits. There is nothing racist on that discussion. Same if lets say your side are all blond/ blue eyes and your spouse has black hair one is curious whether the recessive or dominate gene comes out. I hate this discussion that one is automatic a racist for simply asking the obvious. This article sums up my opinion on the topic. Context is everything. And we dont know that."

I wasn't speaking towards the presumed racist or not racist aspect. I do however think commenting about them by saying them mentioning it to the public is the wrong part, not the comment itself. There's a scrutiny there that is not needed. If you have a white and a black parent asking what color their baby would be most would treat that like "umm excuse me"...and that darn well would be rightfully called out. Natural curiosity or not focusing on the couple calling out someone for saying that is an interesting focus and more about your (general your) personal feelings about the couple (regardless of whether we understand there's obviously drama going on) rather than the crass question. If it was anyone else that we were talking about the responses here would be decidedly different, you only have to look at all the past threads on that one to know that.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I completely agree, there is nothing inherently racist about wondering who a mixed race child might take after. I am biracial myself, and my mom told me that they had the same discussions, might I be lighter, darker, red hair, brown eyes...whatever. There was nothing racist or sinister going on. Just musings and curiosity. My favourite was my grandfather who apparently joked "Yes, but will she have a Scottish accent or a Jamaican one?'' lol

I mean every one wonders...redhead, brunette or blonde. Is there a deep seeded meaning? I am a dark brunette with an olive complexion while my mom is a very fair and blonde. Folks who didn't know my father wondered where I came from...not a big deal. Well except nowadays when folks try to make everything about colors.

 

[BayouQueen]

I see you edited your comment of

"it’s human nature to be curious on how biology works and wonder what traits a child takes. Nothing wrong to ask the obvious- dont people ask “does the baby have blue ir brown eyes” same thing to me. When our nephew was about to be a father ( he has white European genetics and his wife Asian genetics) so naturally we were all openly discussing ( including him and his wife ) whether the baby would take on more European or Asian traits. There is nothing racist on that discussion. Same if lets say your side are all blond/ blue eyes and your spouse has black hair one is curious whether the recessive or dominate gene comes out. I hate this discussion that one is automatic a racist for simply asking the obvious. This article sums up my opinion on the topic. Context is everything. And we dont know that."

I wasn't speaking towards the presumed racist or not racist aspect. I do however think commenting about them by saying them mentioning it to the public is the wrong part, not the comment itself. There's a scrutiny there that is not needed. If you have a white and a black parent asking what color their baby would be most would treat that like "umm excuse me"...and that darn well would be rightfully called out. Natural curiosity or not focusing on the couple calling out someone for saying that is an interesting focus and more about your (general your) personal feelings about the couple (regardless of whether we understand there's obviously drama going on) rather than the crass question. If it was anyone else that we were talking about the responses here would be decidedly different, you only have to look at all the past threads on that one to know that.

Well, H&M were purposefully disparaging the Royal Family by bringing this up and hoping to do them harm on the world stage. To me, that's much harsher than some clumsy, misinterpreted comment made privately.

 

[mamamia2005]

Harry and Meghan knew EXACTLY what the effect would be of them bringing up that comment. They chose not to say in what context the comment was made. And they knew by not giving the full story, what effect that would have too.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, H&M were purposefully disparaging the Royal Family by bringing this up and hoping to do them harm on the world stage. To me, that's much harsher than some clumsy, misinterpreted comment made privately.

These are royals we're talking about, people who are taught from birth about decorum and what to say and not to say, Meghan is the one who is supposed to lack grace and understanding of royal decorum, certainly you're not giving a pass to the royal family whom we all know are raised on how to act? There's is no clumsy, misguided comment and it matters not that it's private (other than the comment assuming true should have been privately thought not spoken).

Look I don't even like Meghan, I mean I don't have a strong opinion on her one way or the other. But I do understand how she may have felt assuming the comment is true and I do think that were it not coming from her people all over would be "heck ya you go girl" about it in today's age. The fact that people are on her like wolves makes it more about their personal feelings about her. She's no saint but I think a mother, any mother, has the right to be upset and speak out against it (regardless of what metaphorical stage) over someone wondering what race their child will look like, perhaps people might understand that, IDK.

Regardless this thread is about the Queen passing and we've got people critiquing over hand holding, facial expressions, now this it's all well unfortunate. I'd rather discuss details about the Queen's life and things that relate to the Queen and let some other thread become a Harry and Meghan thread so respectfully I'll decline commenting further (as I unfortunately did engage) on people's Harry and Meghan focuses on this thread about the Queen's passing and instead comment in the future about the Queen.

 

[BayouQueen]

These are royals we're talking about, people who are taught from birth about decorum and what to say and not to say, Meghan is the one who is supposed to lack grace and understanding of royal decorum, certainly you're not giving a pass to the royal family whom we all know are raised on how to act? There's is no clumsy, misguided comment and it matters not that it's private (other than the comment assuming true should have been privately thought not spoken).

Look I don't even like Meghan, I mean I don't have a strong opinion on her one way or the other. But I do understand how she may have felt assuming the comment is true and I do think that were it not coming from her people all over would be "heck ya you go girl" about it in today's age. The fact that people are on her like wolves makes it more about their personal feelings about her. She's no saint but I think a mother, any mother, has the right to be upset and speak out against it (regardless of what metaphorical stage) over someone wondering what race their child will look like, perhaps people might understand that, IDK.

Regardless this thread is about the Queen passing and we've got people critiquing over hand holding, facial expressions, now this it's all well unfortunate. I'd rather discuss details about the Queen's life and things that relate to the Queen and let some other thread become a Harry and Meghan thread so respectfully I'll decline commenting further (as I unfortunately did engage) on people's Harry and Meghan focuses on this thread about the Queen's passing and instead comment in the future about the Queen.

Thank you for your well-thought-out response. And I do apologize for going down the H&M rabbit hole.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Best line ever: “Recollections may vary.”

Touché!

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Unfortunately, Harry and Meghan and their antics, are now and forever, part of The Queen’s history. They no doubt caused her a lot of distress in her twilight days, so it’s understandable there are strong feelings toward them and that people want to know what happened. It’s all part of the story, like it or not.

 

[momz]

I have so many questions. This thread is currently a bit side tracked to the Sussex's, so I will focus my queries on them. How do H&M make a living, or do they live off of his inheritance from his mother (which is likely substantial)? Is there anybody in M's family with whom they have ties? I don't know if she has any siblings either full or half though. I'm thinking this because when mine were young and I traveled without them, they would stay with family. Do H&M have family whom these babies will grow to love and cherish. Or have they isolated themselves and their children such that these relationships will not blossom.

Concerning that she didn't know how to curtsy...If I am very generous and give her the benefit of the doubt on that being difference in culture, then can the same big benefit of the doubt be extended to the person who wonder about the baby's melanin? I mean many wonder about the color of the baby's hair, or their eyes, or perhaps if they will have certain shape to their nose or some such. Could the comment about how light or dark the baby's skin is be viewed as the person who said it having no idea that this question is taboo in M's culture? I think that is entirely more plausible than M not knowing that it is custom to curtsy when meeting the queen.

From the outside looking in, I can see that there could be misunderstandings on both sides, but the evidence that M has cut off her entire family and now they are doing the same to his suggests that the greater fault lies with H&M actively looking for opportunities to be offended.

Come at me! I may deserve it as this is all just my observations from far away, tainted by what the media publishes.

 

[mom2rtk]

I see you edited your comment of

"it’s human nature to be curious on how biology works and wonder what traits a child takes. Nothing wrong to ask the obvious- dont people ask “does the baby have blue ir brown eyes” same thing to me. When our nephew was about to be a father ( he has white European genetics and his wife Asian genetics) so naturally we were all openly discussing ( including him and his wife ) whether the baby would take on more European or Asian traits. There is nothing racist on that discussion. Same if lets say your side are all blond/ blue eyes and your spouse has black hair one is curious whether the recessive or dominate gene comes out. I hate this discussion that one is automatic a racist for simply asking the obvious. This article sums up my opinion on the topic. Context is everything. And we dont know that."

I wasn't speaking towards the presumed racist or not racist aspect. I do however think commenting about them by saying them mentioning it to the public is the wrong part, not the comment itself. There's a scrutiny there that is not needed. If you have a white and a black parent asking what color their baby would be most would treat that like "umm excuse me"...and that darn well would be rightfully called out. Natural curiosity or not focusing on the couple calling out someone for saying that is an interesting focus and more about your (general your) personal feelings about the couple (regardless of whether we understand there's obviously drama going on) rather than the crass question. If it was anyone else that we were talking about the responses here would be decidedly different, you only have to look at all the past threads on that one to know that.

If someone edits something out of their post, I don't think it's fair to reconstruct the deleted bits and start arguing with it. For whatever reason, they decided it wasn't something that they wanted out there to discuss, so I think we need to give them the benefit of the doubt and go with what they left posted.

Especially given that your next post was asking people to keep this thread about the Queen.

 

[mom2rtk]

Best line ever: “Recollections may vary.”

Touché!

Love Queen Elizabeth!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If someone edits something out of their post, I don't think it's fair to post it back and start arguing with it. For whatever reason, they decided it wasn't something that they wanted out there to discuss, so I think we need to give them the benefit of the doubt and not reconstruct the post to argue with it.

Especially given that your next post was asking people to keep this thread about the Queen.

Unfortunately the comment was already posted and commented in by a few people, normally I'd agree with you and that's my standard to do so but that is usually when people edit and say they are removing the post. This one I get an alert and it's a completely different comment and others already commenting on the original one. Others had their say on it, I chose to as well. As far for my comment about keeping on track if you notice that was after it was quoted by someone else and as the conversation could continue on and on I opted to say I was going back to Queen talk, y'all can continue the Harry and Meghan stuff but has been said repeatedly (and not by me) throughout this thread another thread could be done for that.

 

[mousefan73]

I see you edited your comment of

"it’s human nature to be curious on how biology works and wonder what traits a child takes. Nothing wrong to ask the obvious- dont people ask “does the baby have blue ir brown eyes” same thing to me. When our nephew was about to be a father ( he has white European genetics and his wife Asian genetics) so naturally we were all openly discussing ( including him and his wife ) whether the baby would take on more European or Asian traits. There is nothing racist on that discussion. Same if lets say your side are all blond/ blue eyes and your spouse has black hair one is curious whether the recessive or dominate gene comes out. I hate this discussion that one is automatic a racist for simply asking the obvious. This article sums up my opinion on the topic. Context is everything. And we dont know that."

I wasn't speaking towards the presumed racist or not racist aspect. I do however think commenting about them by saying them mentioning it to the public is the wrong part, not the comment itself. There's a scrutiny there that is not needed. If you have a white and a black parent asking what color their baby would be most would treat that like "umm excuse me"...and that darn well would be rightfully called out. Natural curiosity or not focusing on the couple calling out someone for saying that is an interesting focus and more about your (general your) personal feelings about the couple (regardless of whether we understand there's obviously drama going on) rather than the crass question. If it was anyone else that we were talking about the responses here would be decidedly different, you only have to look at all the past threads on that one to know that.

Yes I did delete it as I wasn’t sure if I was breaking any “rules”

 

[TLSnell1981]

A Am I the only one who sees the absurdity in all of that?! Perhaps Harry did/does too & that’s why he didn’t “prepare” her.

I do not or can believe...nativity/ignorance towards the RF regarding MM She was well aware who Harry and his family were. Also his Mum who MM was totally obsessed with (The Princess Of Wales). MM was almost 40 years old and quite worldly...no innocent. I believe she studied for the role of a lifetime. She allegedly angled for the introduction. Harry was dumb and desperate. He was ill prepared for fame and fortune hunters. IMHO

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I have so many questions. This thread is currently a bit side tracked to the Sussex's, so I will focus my queries on them. How do H&M make a living, or do they live off of his inheritance from his mother (which is likely substantial)? Is there anybody in M's family with whom they have ties? I don't know if she has any siblings either full or half though. I'm thinking this because when mine were young and I traveled without them, they would stay with family. Do H&M have family whom these babies will grow to love and cherish. Or have they isolated themselves and their children such that these relationships will not blossom.

Concerning that she didn't know how to curtsy...If I am very generous and give her the benefit of the doubt on that being difference in culture, then can the same big benefit of the doubt be extended to the person who wonder about the baby's melanin? I mean many wonder about the color of the baby's hair, or their eyes, or perhaps if they will have certain shape to their nose or some such. Could the comment about how light or dark the baby's skin is be viewed as the person who said it having no idea that this question is taboo in M's culture? I think that is entirely more plausible than M not knowing that it is custom to curtsy when meeting the queen.

From the outside looking in, I can see that there could be misunderstandings on both sides, but the evidence that M has cut off her entire family and now they are doing the same to his suggests that the greater fault lies with H&M actively looking for opportunities to be offended.

Come at me! I may deserve it as this is all just my observations from far away, tainted by what the media publishes.

It’s really an interesting story if you read about it. It’s impossible to include all details here, but here’s a snapshot:

Meghan has no full siblings. She has several half-siblings and many nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and such. Her father was an Emmy Award-winning lighting director for Married With Children and Meghan spent time with him on that set after school, and for a time, they lived together just the two of them. (Where her mother was at that time is controversial.) They seemed to be happy times, from photos and her own previous writings. Her Dad helped put her through college at Northwestern University (where she obtained her degree in Theater and International Relations!). It seems the only person she is now close to in her family is her mother. Harry has talked to her Dad but never met him in person. Her Dad has never met their children even though he has begged to, and they live just a relatively short distance from him. By all accounts, he was a good father. He messed up after she began dating Harry because he naively accepted money from tabloid journalists to do a fake photo shoot just before the wedding, which caused their relationship to sour. He has apologized. He’s also had a serious heart attack and serious stroke in recent years and won’t be around forever. Her siblings seemed to be happy for her until Harry made a remark that went viral about the RF being “the family she never had”. Her sister Samantha gave interviews to say that she, in fact, came from a big family, and subsequently went on to write a book about their family history.

Harry has money from his mother’s estate, and they also have deals with Netflix, Spotify, and who knows who else. The Netflix deal alone was reported to be worth $100 million. They started their own production company. CBS was reportedly paid $7 million for the Oprah interview, but supposedly H&M weren’t paid for it. For a long time, Harry’s Dad, King Charles, was helping them out financially, as well. There are likely other sources of income, too. They reportedly both have book deals totaling $20 million. Harry is about to come out with a tell-all book that may be devastating to the RF. Members of the RF seem to be hesitant to trust H&M because of the pressure they are under to produce material for their Netflix and book deals. Some reports express worry about their stooping as low as to wearing microphones to events. (Not going to post pics but you can google ‘Meghan microphone’ to see pics, even from last week’s events, and judge for yourself.) So it’s not just as simple as just “making up” with Harry’s family members. The trust is gone, and there is lots of anger toward them because of their unprecedented behavior. The Oprah interview trashing the RF was devastating, as will be the book. As late as a few days before The Queen passed Meghan was interviewed by American magazine The Cut and stated that she “can now say anything” (that she is no longer a working member of the RF). The fact that they happened to be in the UK on business when The Queen passed launched them into RF events that must’ve been very uncomfortable on both sides.

 

[BayouQueen]

Wow @Pea-n-Me , that was a really great synopsis.

One things I'd add, because it baffles me, is why Meghan apparently doesn't have any relationship with her mom's side of the family. There have been some great photos put out there over the years of what looked like happy family get-togethers with them.
So her dad's side is out, and also her mother's side? Only her mother was at the wedding. I guess she decided it was all or nothing and chose nothing? Brutal
(Maybe she talks to them, but just excluded them from the wedding? I've never read anything that suggested that.)

 

[BayouQueen]

Funny...after I finished my last post I was thinking, did she drop all of them because she couldn't trust them not to give interviews about private matters. But then H&M give interviews about private matters.

 

[Skywalker]

Funny...after I finished my last post I was thinking, did she drop all of them because she couldn't trust them not to give interviews about private matters. But then H&M give interviews about private matters.

That's funny lol
I do recall her being angry at her dad and her sister for doing media interviews. Yet the second she herself feels slighted its all OPRAH Here we come!

 

[mom2rtk]

her degree in Theater and International Relations!)

Dang. She really was playing the long game. Talk about the perfect training!

 

[mom2rtk]

Funny...after I finished my last post I was thinking, did she drop all of them because she couldn't trust them not to give interviews about private matters. But then H&M give interviews about private matters.