Queen Elizabeth funeral and looking forward

[mom2rtk]

There were two invitations this summer. One was for a grandchildren and great-grandchildren sleepover at the Queen’s place (I believe it was Sandringham) and the other was the invitation that I mentioned before to just H&M within the week before she passed, and both were declined.

That's really unfortunate. After the Oprah interview, they clarified that the worst accusation they made was not about the Queen or Prince Philip. So I wonder if there was some other outstanding issue giving them hesitation. So sad.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I’m curious if William and his kids are allowed to travel / fly together now?? I know many companies won’t allow board members to fly on the same flights.

DH and I never flew together unless all of our minor children were with us. Nobody would care for them like we would.

 

[TLSnell1981]

No, Harry’s not high enough up in the line of succession for that to matter.

There were couple of reasons for that. Timing of the Queen’s death for Harry (and Meghan) was serendipitous when they happened to be visiting the UK on business and staying in their Frogmore house at Windsor. As I mentioned earlier, they had been invited by the Queen to visit her at Balmoral estate several days before, but had declined the offer. (Maybe Meghan is a non-liker of Balmoral, lol.)

They were basically doing their own thing and then were going to be on their way home to the US once their business was taken care of.

Then the Queen died, apparently unexpectedly, while members of the RF were rushing to be at her side at Balmoral (which is in the Highlands of Scotland, quite a ways up North).

Harry and Meghan’s people sent out a Tweet saying they were going to Balmoral once word got out that The Queen was “Under medical supervision”.

Supposedly Charles called Harry to say “Do not bring Meghan”, so their plans had to be changed.

(Catherine stayed back at Windsor with their kids, too.)

Meanwhile, William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie boarded an official jet to take them up to Scotland.

Harry had to make his own way, by himself, on a private jet at his personal expense.

Reports from that night were that he didn’t talk to, or eat with, his family, even though he was in the same home. And he also left early in the morning without seeing them.

The rest is history.

It was reported today that Harry missed his first flight to attend his grandmother on her deathbed. He was throwing a tantrum over the Mrs. being unwelcome at Balmoral. Of course The King and Prince of Wales were to blame.

 

[Jangles]

It was reported today that Harry missed his first flight to attend his grandmother on her deathbed. He was throwing a tantrum over the Mrs. being unwelcome at Balmoral. Of course The King and Prince of Wales were to blame.

You know the expression ‘between a rock and a hard place’?

The other adult grandchildren were not invited to what turned out to be the Queen’s deathbed, just William as the heir to the throne, so Harry should be grateful that he was given the opportunity. Maybe the family hoped that there would be some sort of deathbed reconciliation between Harry and the Queen (ie, an apology from Harry to his Grandmother), so that she could pass in peace and he could live his life not riddled with guilt?

To an outsider, given recent events, it seems bizarre that M would want to be at the Queen’s deathbed. And how does this fit with her decision not to visit her own Father?

It’s sad that when people think of the Royal family, we are drawn to focus of H and M. The British public are very forgiving, so who knows what the future holds.

 

[SirDuff]

You know the expression ‘between a rock and a hard place’?

The other adult grandchildren were not invited to what turned out to be the Queen’s deathbed, just William as the heir to the throne, so Harry should be grateful that he was given the opportunity. Maybe the family hoped that there would be some sort of deathbed reconciliation between Harry and the Queen (ie, an apology from Harry to his Grandmother), so that she could pass in peace and he could live his life not riddled with guilt?

To an outsider, given recent events, it seems bizarre that M would want to be at the Queen’s deathbed. And how does this fit with her decision not to visit her own Father?

It’s sad that when people think of the Royal family, we are drawn to focus of H and M. The British public are very forgiving, so who knows what the future holds.

Honestly, the story that PP posted (and has posted a few times) doesn't add up. It's been widely reported that only Charles and Anne were at Balmoral before the Queen died. So, if the only reason Harry didn't make it in time is because of said tantrum, what were the excuses for everyone else (i.e. William, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie)? Or are we to believe that Harry was offered an earlier flight (which he missed) than was offered to the others?

 

[FigmentSpark]

Again, I’m no H and M apologist, but there are plausible reasons that don’t include tantrums or ultimatums or family snubs.

Harry might not have been near wherever the others were taking their flight from. No one expected it, so people were going on with their days. It could simply be that the others were able to get to the one flight while Harry might have been somewhere else and even thought it might have been quicker to get on a commercial flight, rather than make it through the city to another airport.

No one knows the real situation and I doubt we will, unless Harry or Meghan reports back about it.

A lot has been made about Meghan not going, but, honestly, if I were her, I wouldn’t have wanted to be there. That was family time.

Also, did Harry know his grandmother was about to pass? I’m sure he hoped, like all of Britain, that it was a false alarm. He and Meghan were supposed to attend an event and give a speech. Had the queen not died, even if she remained ill, the event would likely have gone on and then at least Meghan could have attended.

 

[DodgerGirl]

Was Meghan Markle originally on Deal Or No Deal? Because when I would watch Deal Or No Deal reruns on Amazon Prime she was case model #24 in Season 2 of Deal Or No Deal but then I read that she left Deal Or No Deal at the halfway point of Season 2 and I always wanted to know why Meghan quit Deal Or No Deal? I also got this week's issue of People magazine and it has a nice story about what the Royal Family has done since the queen's funeral along with some wonderful pictures of the funeral itself

 

[KayMichigan]

I found a video on YouTube of the funeral procession and it lists the music that was played by the royal bands during the march:

Beethoven's Funeral March No2 in Bb minor
Beethoven's Funeral March No1 in Bb minor
Mendelssohn's Funeral March

 

[mousefan73]

https://people.com/royals/tyler-per...e-prince-harry-stay-his-house-difficult-time/

Interesting read, I had no idea Harry and Meghan never even met this guy and yet he let's them crash for months on he's estate. Just shows that Royals, über rich and celebrities live in their own little clique of favors... where they watch out for each other, maybe to one's own benefit down the line. Now Perry can brag how he helped a Prince.

and come on.. a grand piano as a gift to write the story of their life.... where is the vomit emoji lol

 

[dcassetta]

Was Meghan Markle originally on Deal Or No Deal? Because when I would watch Deal Or No Deal reruns on Amazon Prime she was case model #24 in Season 2 of Deal Or No Deal but then I read that she left Deal Or No Deal at the halfway point of Season 2 and I always wanted to know why Meghan quit Deal Or No Deal? I also got this week's issue of People magazine and it has a nice story about what the Royal Family has done since the queen's funeral along with some wonderful pictures of the funeral itself

Yes, she was. I think when she was first starting out it was hard to find acting work, as I would guess is true for many aspiring actresses. So, she worked on Deal or No Deal. When she was able to get more acting roles, she quit the show.

 

[Moliphino]

To an outsider, given recent events, it seems bizarre that M would want to be at the Queen’s deathbed. And how does this fit with her decision not to visit her own Father?

Maybe she wanted to be there to support her husband? It's a big estate, being at Balmoral doesn't mean she would've been at the queen's bedside or anything.

When my dad had his heart attack a few of my mom's brothers came to the hospital to sit with us in the waiting room and support us. It's what family does.

 

[SirDuff]

Maybe she wanted to be there to support her husband? It's a big estate, being at Balmoral doesn't mean she would've been at the queen's bedside or anything.

When my dad had his heart attack a few of my mom's brothers came to the hospital to sit with us in the waiting room and support us. It's what family does.

We met my brother's now wife then very new girlfriend at the hospital when my mom was dying. She spent hours every day over almost a week with my brother (and us) there. Talk about baptism by fire.

 

[Marrila]

Maybe she wanted to be there to support her husband? It's a big estate, being at Balmoral doesn't mean she would've been at the queen's bedside or anything.

When my dad had his heart attack a few of my mom's brothers came to the hospital to sit with us in the waiting room and support us. It's what family does.

I think it's nice to wish to be supportive. But sometimes actual behavior can get in the way. Vague accusations on TV, book deals and rejection of invitations to visit send a strong message. I think the queen's adult children heard it all loud and clear.
It was probably important for those children to have some time of quiet and peace especially just hours after loss.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think it's nice to wish to be supportive. But sometimes actual behavior can get in the way. Vague accusations on TV, book deals and rejection of invitations to visit send a strong message. I think the queen's adult children heard it all loud and clear.
It was probably important for those children to have some time of quiet and peace especially just hours after loss.

That was my thought. Who wants to worry about someone reporting the intimate details in the press from such a critical moment, especially knowing you wouldn't be able to even respond to any reports. Once you break confidence, it's hard to get trust back. People with tell all book deals tend to.... tell all.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Honestly, the story that PP posted (and has posted a few times) doesn't add up. It's been widely reported that only Charles and Anne were at Balmoral before the Queen died. So, if the only reason Harry didn't make it in time is because of said tantrum, what were the excuses for everyone else (i.e. William, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie)? Or are we to believe that Harry was offered an earlier flight (which he missed) than was offered to the others?

My understanding is Harry was initially to fly with William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie. That flight was held up waiting for Harry and finally left an hour late. He flew solo to Balmoral. This timeline makes sense and is consistent with earlier reports. They all missed seeing The Queen due to Harry "having a row" with his father over Meghan.

 

[Skywalker]

If (as Meghan claimed in the Oprah interview) her and Harry had been talking about leaving the UK to set up a new life on their own for three years, they were talking about it from pretty soon after they were engaged. So did Harry just say "I'm fed up of the food and the weather in the UK Megs, lets live in California", and she said "yep, great idea Harry" - that was it? No discussion over the reasons why? No Harry saying he felt suffocated by the monarchy, by being the spare to the heir or whatever other reasons has been rumoured time and again?
Nope, I don't buy it! She knew what she was getting into, Harry explained what would be expected of them and subsequently why he (they) wanted to give up the royal life.

So that bolded part - Sorry I don't think Harry coming up with ideas and Meghan saying "Yep, great idea Harry", ever happens lol. I suspect its always exactly the other way around

Mainly because I look at how they were before, she was from California, had a kind of desperate "social media influencer" level of fame, and was known for coldly cutting family when they were no longer of use to her. However he lived in England, was hugely loved by just about everyone, and was close to his brother and extended family. Now they are BOTH living in California, maintaining a social media influencer level of fame (and likely less as the Royal sheen wears off in time), and are now estranged from both families. His & hers. Its like she absorbed him, they are just "her" now, and he got "yes dear"'d out of existence.

 

[NotUrsula]

My understanding is Harry was initially to fly with William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie. That flight was held up waiting for Harry and finally left an hour late. He flew solo to Balmoral. This timeline makes sense and is consistent with earlier reports. They all missed seeing The Queen due to Harry "having a row" with his father over Meghan.

Which, of course, just made everyone else all that more annoyed with him.

For whatever reason, Harry seems almost afraid to have any dealings with his family without his wife present. I've heard he can be extremely bull-headed when he gets an idea in his head, but this really smacks more of fear to me than it does a determination to protect her from some nebulous threat, or an insistence on equal time. Now, who or what he might be afraid of is an open question, perhaps even himself?

Speaking of equal time, Diana did those boys no favors when she insisted that they be treated completely equally. The fact is that that was never going to be the case, and I think it raised expectations of a level of involvement that Harry was never going to really have once they reached adulthood and Harry started the inevitable fall down the chain of succession. All this "Fab Four" stuff does not help; the Monarch is one person, not a committee, and while it's nice to see family being friendly, that's all there is to it. The custom throughout history is that the Heir gets all the resources, and the spare gets whatever the Monarch sees fit to gift, which might not be one single penny. It's not fair, but it's built into the system. I have a feeling that that was what Meghan really failed to understand; that monarchy is not a meritocracy, and there is no working one's way up. (Not all that nonsense about ignorance of protocol, which NEVER would have been allowed to happen. EVERYONE who comes into contact with the Monarch in a private setting is briefed beforehand about what the rules are; one doesn't just show up at a place like Balmoral; you have to be vetted.)

 

[BayouQueen]

That was my thought. Who wants to worry about someone reporting the intimate details in the press from such a critical moment, especially knowing you wouldn't be able to even respond to any reports. Once you break confidence, it's hard to get trust back. People with tell all book deals tend to.... tell all.

Can you even imagine...selling interviews to talk about the Queen's death bed. Uggh. Me, I'd require nondisclosure agreements if Harry and Meghan want back into Royal circles.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So Hallmark just released their Countdown to Christmas schedule and I'm going through the list.

This is what one of the movies is presently called and is about:





Mixed feelings on this one, not sure if it will be a "too soon" moment or not; it really strikes me as the Queen is the inspiration here. Hallmark (and whatever films they purchase the rights for) has already been filmed. This was likely filmed last summer or this summer (sometimes even a few years old too).

 

[mamamia2005]

Can you even imagine...selling interviews to talk about the Queen's death bed. Uggh. Me, I'd require nondisclosure agreements if Harry and Meghan want back into Royal circles.

Surely even Meghan and Harry couldn't stoop that low ...