Queen Camilla

The Church of England should do away with having persons clearly not committed to the denomination or it's doctrines as it's Head, whether in name only or not.

Sounds reasonable to me from the religious perspective.

Never made any sense to me why the monarch would be considered remotely qualified to head the CoE. Isn't that role more the purview of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I mean, Roman Catholics reasonably require the Pope to be a cleric.
 
It is anticipated by those who know him well that Charles will want to disassociate himself from both Charles II (who fled to exile and left England to Cromwell's tender mercies for 9 years) and Edward VIII, his great-uncle who caused a constitutional crisis by his insistence on marrying Wallis Simpson. He seems to feel that both names have a shadow upon them.

It's pretty strongly believed that he is most likely to take the regnal name George VII, primarily to honor both his grandfather George VI, who he remembers fondly and who meant so much to his mother, and who was very well respected by the British people, but possibly also to honor George III, whom Americans think of as the arrogant fool who lost the American colonies, but who in his time was widely renowned for his adoption and promotion of agricultural innovations, as is Charles himself.
 
I rather think the Queen might have been cautioned by doctors several months back that she hasn't much time left. She seems to be putting in place more provisions lately to insure a seamless transition, perhaps because Charles has long been said to be not very keen to become King. I'm sure her sense of duty and love of her people spurs her to think ahead as much as possible for the welfare of the commonwealth at large.


This is the first thought that came to me when I heard the announcement about Camilla. All of the major plans concerning the funeral and Charles taking the throne have been done for years and now she’s putting the final touches on things. Her husband has passed, she’s becoming more frail and she’s realizing that she may not have a lot of time left. I wonder if she is just tired. Tired of the various scandals, the virus that just won’t quit and the isolation that has come with it and the relentless scrutiny that comes with being a public figure. And still trying to do what is best for her people and her family.

I am not bothered by Camilla being referred to as Queen. I was fascinated by Diana as a young teen. I got up early to watch the wedding and read all the press coverage about her for years. Later, I read many of the books that were written about her and even today I will watch television shows about her and her life. I do think she was manipulated by the royal family, including Charles. But I think he was stuck too. And although I think a lot of mistakes were made by both Charles and Camilla, I think the years have shown that their story is actually a pretty incredible one. Together all these years later and lasting through a lot of adversity. I think she deserves the title when the time comes.
 

If you've not already read Penny Junor's unauthorized biography of Camilla, entitled The Duchess, you may want to dip into it.

I've just begun it and find it an amusing story that's quite entertaining. Lots of juicy details about Camilla's ancestors, from her great-grandmother Alice Keppel to her parents. Factual? I neither know nor care particularly as enjoyable as I'm finding the tale.

Unlike a good many other authors of unauthorized Royal biographies, Junor has close associations with the family.
 
Rhetorical question.

Does good that someone does later always necessarily make up for previous significant dishonorable, hurtful behavior?

I have to chuckle here, too, with so many “I hate my MIL” and “I’d drop them like a hot potato” threads where people seemingly aren’t so quick to forgive and forget, that people in this instance seem so willing to “move on” with Camilla.

I can’t help but wonder how Diana’s sons and family feel about it. :scratchin

Camilla was involved in an extramarital affair with Charles from before the time he walked down the aisle, and he was never willing to stop seeing her. Diana was essentially used to produce an heir and a spare. Her feelings and well-being were really never a concern for them. And things spiraled downward for her when she fully realized the predicament she was in with her husband. She blamed Camilla for much of her unhappiness and called her The Rottweiler. Diana angered the Queen when she gave a tell-all interview to Martin Bashir (which can be seen on Netflix). They’d expected that Charles and Diana would simply lead separate lives after they became estranged, but instead, the Queen and Prince Philip eventually advised them to divorce. They divorced in ‘96 and she died tragically in ‘97.

From all I have read, Camilla is good for Prince Charles. She reportedly has a wicked sense of humor and keeps him grounded. Good for them. I wish them no ill will whatsoever. It’s just hard to overlook the history. She’s not someone I’d really look up to, tbh. It’s great that she is doing good work for charity today. I liked seeing pictures of her and Charles with The Duchess of Cambridge at an event the other day. But I think that Catherine is going to be much more revered by the people in the role of Queen Consort when William finally becomes King.

But then again, what do I know, I’m just a dumb American! ;)
All of this! There's a great podcast series about Diana, Charles, Camilla, etc. called "You're Wrong About". It's a 5 part series on Diana and all the other players.

I'm happy for Camilla and Charles. But, they both have done some pretty awful things in their personal lives (as did Diana - namely pushing her step mom down the steps). I think Kate will be much more beloved than Camilla and I'd have to assume will actually be Queen consort for a longer period of time given everyone's age.

Poor Liz has certainly been through it!
 
Interesting that the Queen wants C to be named Queen, when her 60+ year husband was never named King.
 
Being an American I have no skin in this game but I am a historian specializing in 18th century colonial history so I have an avid interest in the monarchy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. What went down between Charles and Diana was awful and they were both at fault. They were horribly mismatched, even on paper, and Charles should have been allowed to marry her from the beginning. I personally feel they bent over backwards to be sensitive to the situation. They had been in a relationship for decades and still waited more than 7 years after his ex's death to marry, and even longer after Charles was divorced. They stated at the time that Camilla would be known as Princess consort when the time came and would not use the title Princess of Wales out of respect for William and Harry in particular but the public's feelings about the situation as well.

Charles and Camilla were handed a raw deal decades ago and so far as I know Camilla has supported the queen extremely well since she and Charles married nearly 20 years ago. She absolutley deserves the title of Queen consort when the time comes and good on the queen for publicly supporting that.

If Harry doesn't like it he can get over it from his California mansion.
 
Interesting that the Queen wants C to be named Queen, when her 60+ year husband was never named King.

No, he wouldn't have been. Camilla won't be Queen as Queen Elizabeth is. She is Queen consort like Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was. When women marry they take their husband's titles. Men do not take their wives titles. Queen Elizabeth was queen in her own right. Prince Philip would not have become king because he did not inherit the throne.
 
Sounds reasonable to me from the religious perspective.

Never made any sense to me why the monarch would be considered remotely qualified to head the CoE. Isn't that role more the purview of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I mean, Roman Catholics reasonably require the Pope to be a cleric.

Well, sure. But the Church of England was founded by Henry VIII for the sole purpose of granting his divorce from Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn. If a monarch creates a church to force it to do what he wants then.......
 
Well, sure. But the Church of England was founded by Henry VIII for the sole purpose of granting his divorce from Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn. If a monarch creates a church to force it to do what he wants then.......

You seemingly overlooked my prior post (#117) saying this very thing.

Quoted: "Perhaps it is time to consider separating the monarch from that particular responsibility."

My response: ...we might actually consider adultery a traditional qualification for the monarch as head of the Church of England. (No, I'm not so crass as to speculate about the current Queen's status. I have a few scruples--too few, many would say.)

Remember who the very first one was? Henry VIII, who declared himself such in order to divorce his devoutly Catholic first wife, Catherine of Aragon, so as to marry his pregnant mistress, Anne Boleyn.
 
If you've not already read Penny Junor's unauthorized biography of Camilla, entitled The Duchess, you may want to dip into it.

This book gets more serious and significantly more empathetic once Diana enters the picture.

The tabloid view that the Royal Family coldly refused to allow her psychiatric help when her behavior became bizarre and extreme is apparently hogwash.

Junor states, rightly so I think, that not even mental health professionals knew back then that eating disorders often are linked with other mental disorders/illnesses. Even today, treatment for eating disorders is rarely successful, which certainly was the case when Diana began bingeing and purging.

What happened, according to Junor, was that Diana saw a psychiatrist for a time but soon refused to continue, insisting she was now better and needed no more help.

That wouldn't surprise me, having had relatives who did that.
 
This book gets more serious and significantly more empathetic once Diana enters the picture.

The tabloid view that the Royal Family coldly refused to allow her psychiatric help when her behavior became bizarre and extreme is apparently hogwash.

Junor states, rightly so I think, that not even mental health professionals knew back then that eating disorders often are linked with other mental disorders/illnesses. Even today, treatment for eating disorders is rarely successful, which certainly was the case when Diana began bingeing and purging.

What happened, according to Junor, was that Diana saw a psychiatrist for a time but soon refused to continue, insisting she was now better and needed no more help.

That wouldn't surprise me, having had relatives who did that.

I saw a documentary on this topic once where Diana was quoted as saying the Queen felt her eating disorder was a cause of her marital problems rather than a symptom of it. If true, it seems that neither of them understood her emotionally at all.
 
I saw a documentary on this topic once where Diana was quoted as saying the Queen felt her eating disorder was a cause of her marital problems rather than a symptom of it. If true, it seems that neither of them understood her emotionally at all.

I think it important to consider the source--"Diana was quoted..." I doubt we can give much credence to what may have been projection. Maybe there was truth to it. Trying to relate to someone with an unmanageable eating disorder could certainly cause problems in a marriage.

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you that neither Charles nor the Queen understood Diana well, in part because Diana was a maelstrom of conflicting emotions once married. Apparently, chameleon-like, she had passed herself off as an easygoing fancier of horses, sports and country living out of desperation to be loved. In actuality, she detested all those things, something revealed after the wedding when her extreme neediness baffled Charles who was terribly ill-equipped to deal with it. He wasn't all that emotionally secure himself.

Diana's own grandmother seemingly in an attempt to warn him off described her to Charles as "a dishonest and difficult girl." "Difficult," 60 years ago and more, was a euphemism for mental illness oftentimes in a time when such things had to be relabeled if they were discussed at all. And mentally unstable people can be shrewdly deceptive about the turmoil they live with.

Perhaps erroneously, I wonder if Diana's unusual advocacy of AIDS patients and going into areas containing land mines to draw attention to both causes weren't indicative of her suicidal tendencies. Both were highly dangerous when she began doing so.

Granted, her advocacy brought much-needed attention to each, but I wonder nevertheless if doing so wasn't more pathological than was realized at the time.
 
I'm curious why Camillia gets to be Queen Consort, but Prince Phillip couldn't be King Consort. Why did he have to settle for Prince?
 
I'm wondering if that tradition may eventually change somehow. Hmmm, probably too awkward...Sort-Of-A-King-But-Not-Really Rupert? Naw, too unwieldy on the mugs, towels and such. ;)

Didn't I hear a few years ago that an Act tinkered with the line of succession so that Princess Charlotte retained her birth order position when Prince Louis was born?

Formerly, Louis would have followed George in line, I believe. That stodgy old male primogeniture thingy.
 
King Consort as a title does exist however the British haven't allowed that title to be used.

I knew King Consort existed though you really don't ever hear about it but was intrigued by the comments that it doesn't so I looked more into it. It looks like Queen Victoria wanted to use King Consort for Albert but the British government didn't want to make a bill to allow that so she settled on Prince Consort instead.
 















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