PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[disneylandtour]

I think this board does skew more towards the spreadsheet and cost calculations set - but the value is based on individual circumstances. In my case, because I travel with large (10+ person) groups a lot I knew I wanted to buy 150 points direct for the blue card discounts. The higher price point of 150 direct PVB balances out against resale after 6 years for me and the lack of resale restrictions on PVB made it the best option since I don't think we will end up holding the contract until expiration. Everyone's situation is a little bit different - just because the base price is higher than many hoped doesn't mean it won't work out math-wise for some of us.

Totally agreed. Everyone's situation is different.

 

[Cyberc1978]

No tax documents are generated.

It's a rebate because you need to make a purchase to get it.

Edit: Just checked the documents and it’s specifically stated it’s a rebate. As mentioned before, corporate lingo is included that DVC doesn’t make any representations regarding tax implications, if any.

It has something to do with DVD not being able to pay an international buyer in this manner.

But, as mentioned, it does not require taxes to be paid.

Thanks, didn't know it was so straightforward - always assumed that international buyers couldn't use MB because is had to be a tax issue - but it seems more likely that DVD just don't want to allow international buyers to use it. DVD could easily send a wire transfer or send a check to International buyers.

 

[walt34]

Thanks, didn't know it was so straightforward - always assumed that international buyers couldn't use MB because is had to be a tax issue - but it seems more likely that DVD just don't want to allow international buyers to use it. DVD could easily send a wire transfer or send a check to International buyers.

It's more likely that it is not a tax issue in the US but could be a tax issue in some other jurisdictions. Otherwise there would be no reason for them to withhold it from international buyers. Their money is as good as anybody else's.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Allows 150 point families splurge on a 1 bedroom, fall in love with it over a studio then add on another 150 after the trip

That makes sense. Give people a taste of the luxury of bigger rooms and/or better views.

I wish you great success. & Please PM me when you get the 2BR!!

If you’re hoping to get freed-up rooms, I’d put a WL request in now. Those are all going to get filled first.

Well, I also found out that my guide wasn't able to hold Week 49 for me in Standard Studio as requested and that it was unavailable, so that really cemented that I'm not buying in at this time, at least not for that many points.

I am wondering if it was a first come first serve thing. As I read the view descriptions, I think there could be less than 10 standard view studios total (maybe more but I think it’s just going to be like 2 floors on one side of the tower for standard view total)— if that’s the case they can’t sell more than 3 of the fixed weeks in standard studio for each week, and presumably they can sell even less if inventory isn’t declared? Also, Disney might just not want to sell FW of their lowest point chart rooms?

Another thought…they can only sell up to 35% of any given use day in a unit for FW. Given that there are so few units declared right now, holding off the booking allows them to sell them based on the eventual declarations within the next year.

I was thinking this also, maybe they have internal projections of when they expect to declare x number of rooms in each category type and you can’t start a FW until there are enough declarations that free up another room within the 35%?

If I wanted a FW of a specific room and view type in a popular week, I’d be trying to book it ASAP.

 

[Royal Consort]

Thanks, didn't know it was so straightforward - always assumed that international buyers couldn't use MB because is had to be a tax issue - but it seems more likely that DVD just don't want to allow international buyers to use it. DVD could easily send a wire transfer or send a check to International buyers.

I mean, they can hardly send us an email internationally. Don't be too ambitious with the company lol.

 

[walt34]

I mean, they can hardly send us an email internationally. Don't be too ambitious with the company lol.

Many promotional emails they cannot send because they are not licensed to sell in most countries.

 

[Phatscott25]

Important distinction - it was explained to me as NEW POINTS not new purchasers. New purchasers would automatically qualify (since their points are also new) but existing owners can also book from developer inventory too.

That's exactly what my guide said too. "New purchasers" was a poor choice of words on my post. He definitely said new points.

 

[Disney_Funster]

Have they announced any additional monorail trains being placed into rotation with the add-on of the tower? When we stayed at Poly a few months ago, monorail transportation was horrible. I am wondering what this will look like?

I am waiting on ROFR for SSR points. Will I be able to eventually use those at the 7 month window at Poly tower, when there are actually reservations available to book at the 7 month mark? Or will there be restrictions on that? I realize that will probably be years from now, but I am a site stalker for last minute reservations, so hoping I can use my resale points for a trip at Poly tower sooner than later.

They have not announced any new transportation options. The new tower will bring more people in to an already stressed (at times) monorail. My hope is a dedicated PVB boat option or dedicated busses.

 

[NicoleBold]

That's exactly what my guide said too. "New purchasers" was a poor choice of words on my post. He definitely said new points.

This contradicts what I was told. I very directly asked "can I use all of my Poly points on 10/15 to book and try to get a 2br, including the poly points I already have that are booked for two longhouse studios"? I was told YES, ALL POLY POINTS CAN BE USED.
I asked about inventory and "welcome home" type benefits for people with new points. The answer was a very vague "there is something like that". I didn't push anymore.

I'm unsure if I want to buy my minimum number (55) and cancel the contract if this is not true, or get a larger contract to secure the right amount and rent / sell my resale? I need to finance the larger number and really don't want that to be the case.

 

[Phatscott25]

This contradicts what I was told. I very directly asked "can I use all of my Poly points on 10/15 to book and try to get a 2br, including the poly points I already have that are booked for two longhouse studios"? I was told YES, ALL POLY POINTS CAN BE USED.
I asked about inventory and "welcome home" type benefits for people with new points. The answer was a very vague "there is something like that". I didn't push anymore.

I'm unsure if I want to buy my minimum number (55) and cancel the contract if this is not true, or get a larger contract to secure the right amount and rent / sell my resale? I need to finance the larger number and really don't want that to be the case.

To clarify, you certainly can use all of your Poly points on 10/15 to book anything from declared inventory. Every owner can, including those that didn't buy any new points. Hence, you'll be competing with all owners.

What we were talking about is the ability to use our new points to secure a reservation from developer inventory, which is points that DVD still owns and have not been declared into the association. That is the equivalent to the "welcome home" benefit you asked about but didn't push. We were told that only new points will have access to developer inventory. I hope that clears it up!

 

[permavac]

My case for buying a 25 point direct add on.

We bought our 3 smallish point contracts via resale (actually 4 but we sold one @ BWV years ago). I NEVER thought I would buy direct due to the higher cost BUT we only need just a few more points to be all set for the way we travel.

We own at two of our favorites (BLT and AKL) but use some of those points, and our third contract (HHI) to sleep around mostly to BWV, BC, and Poly (but we just don't like the longhouses).

One pet peeve of mine is that we have a hard time getting the standard view at BWV (yes - I am kicking myself for selling that contract!) so we're paying a premium in points for a view that we typically don't care about. As much as we love BWV though, we're not going to overpay to buy points in a DVC with just 18 years left.

We love the decor of the new Poly Tower and much prefer being in a "hotel" with dining options accessible inside so we are 99% sure we will want to stay in PIT once per year. We take multiple "trips" to WDW for only one or two nights at a time because we live in Florida now.

So, in order to get the 17-point Deluxe Studio Standard rooms in January or May, I think we probably need some Poly points.

Even if I could get a 25-point Poly resale contract, you have to take what you can get on the resale market and who knows when that will come along. When factoring in the slightly lower closing costs via direct, the 2024 UY included points, the absence of my daily hand-wringing during a 65+ day resale closing, and the absence of needing to stalk the resale sites until I can be the successful purchaser on one of these hard to come by contracts, buying direct just sounded better to us.

So we went to the Preview Center yesterday and got our add on. We got our DocuSign docs via email last night.

With this add-on we are done and have enough points. If we find we don't have enough I doubt we would buy direct again unless it's for less than 40 points. For a bigger contract we would go resale but that's because we already have our DVC blue card status (til 2042). Still, I guess I should never say never because I thought that I would never buy direct before today, but here we are...

 

[NicoleBold]

To clarify, you certainly can use all of your Poly points on 10/15 to book anything from declared inventory. Every owner can, including those that didn't buy any new points. Hence, you'll be competing with all owners.

What we were talking about is the ability to use our new points to secure a reservation from developer inventory, which is points that DVD still owns and have not been declared into the association. That is the equivalent to the "welcome home" benefit you asked about but didn't push. We were told that only new points will have access to developer inventory. I hope that clears it up!

Yes thank you!! Makes perfect sense, and probably explains why they were a bit vague on the welcome home thing.

Now, get enough points -or- possible split stay at the same resort. Ugh.

 

[Brian Noble]

I don’t think it is worth getting worked up about the developer inventory issue—either as a pro or a con. That’s only going to be in play for a very short while, and the ownership is for decades. Don’t let this first trip dictate a purchase that is for the long term!

 

[mkatsy]

This contradicts what I was told. I very directly asked "can I use all of my Poly points on 10/15 to book and try to get a 2br, including the poly points I already have that are booked for two longhouse studios"? I was told YES, ALL POLY POINTS CAN BE USED.
I asked about inventory and "welcome home" type benefits for people with new points. The answer was a very vague "there is something like that". I didn't push anymore.

I'm unsure if I want to buy my minimum number (55) and cancel the contract if this is not true, or get a larger contract to secure the right amount and rent / sell my resale? I need to finance the larger number and really don't want that to be the case.

Me too! I have to commingle my points to get what want. The poly I already have plus the new that I buy. Last night I was able to reserve everything I want cash. I would be very happy with this reservation pattern every year. So I now know how many new points I need to buy to have the Poly contract cover my annual date/room choice. I’m going to buy them on 10/6 and then call on 10/15 and ask to convert those cash reservations to points. it’s a crap shoot … if they say no, I’ll just book what I can with the new points from developer inventory and see if anything on my list is left in declared inventory for my old points. If I can’t get anything I like, I’ll just rescind the contract and look at buying BLT resale, because it’s only going to get worse from here.

 

[Phatscott25]

As @Brian Noble said above, I wouldn't base my long-term decision on the ability to book one reservation in the near-term. Unavailability for near-term reservations on 10/15 is not going to be indicative of availability throughout the life of the contract. It will be much harder than normal on 10/15 because there are so many existing points, coupled with new points, everyone wants at the new tower, and it's well within a typical 11 month home resort period.

Once booking for the tower becomes normal, sure some reservations may be tough (standard view deluxe and duo studios, and possibly one-bedrooms - I'm guessing) and will definitely require home resort priority. But I doubt they'll be unicorns like AKV value or club-level rooms.

 

[mkatsy]

As @Brian Noble said above, I wouldn't base my long-term decision on the ability to book one reservation in the near-term. Unavailability for near-term reservations on 10/15 is not going to be indicative of availability throughout the life of the contract. It will be much harder than normal on 10/15 because there are so many existing points, coupled with new points, everyone wants at the new tower, and it's well within a typical 11 month home resort period.

Once booking for the tower becomes normal, sure some reservations may be tough (standard view deluxe and duo studios, and possibly one-bedrooms - I'm guessing) and will definitely require home resort priority. But I doubt they'll be unicorns like AKV value or club-level rooms.

Unfortunately, when something is top dollar, I want to use it now or I don’t want it at all. I’ll gladly wait patiently for a bargain… but this, is not that.

 

[NicoleBold]

If I bought the lower amount, it would just be easy. If I buy the higher amount and hopefully secure this booking, I just need to rent/sell my existing resale contract.
I think I need to determine which would cause me more stress!

I wonder how fast the rental store can get me $$ for these!

 

[Phatscott25]

Unfortunately, when something is top dollar, I want to use it now or I don’t want it at all. I’ll gladly wait patiently for a bargain… but this, is not that.

Understandable! Here's to hoping you're able to get what you want!

And for what it's worth, my apologies. It's not my place and definitely wasn't my intent to suggest what someone else should do with their money. I just wanted to make sure you weren't of the thinking that unavailability now would be typical of availability in future years. I really do think that most rooms will be relatively easy to get at 11 months, provided you log on right at 8am for some of the (presumably) tougher ones. Hopefully I'm right!

 

[emchen]

I don’t think they can get worse….but the increase in base price is likely at some points.

It will depend on sales because they found with BPK it did really well initially, and then sales were not great until they heavily discounted it at the end.

I do think that the lack of MB might temper some buyers, especially since resale gets you the same thing.

D'ya think they'll get to that point ("fire sale") with PVB at some point? Let's speculate!

I say unlikely.

 

[davidhr]

D'ya think they'll get to that point ("fire sale") with PVB at some point? Let's speculate!

I say unlikely.

I think it will in a couple years like the grand Floridian.

Those point charts are really high and after the initial sales period will drive buyers to “cheaper” resorts unless the price is very competitive.