PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[CastAStone]

So when do we think DVC will declare another percentage of rooms based on initial sales? Seems brisk so far, anecdotally.

I’d imagine if sales are brisk it will be within a week or two. Although we may not know about it for another 2 weeks after that when Tim or Wil or Maui find the paperwork online.

 

[ehh]

For those interested, the new/latest Poly Public Offering Statement: https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...ral-docs/POLYV_POS_Rev_04_2024_10-01-2024.pdf

And the new/latest Multi-Site Public Offering Statement: https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...ering_Statement_Rev_05_16_2024_10-01-2024.pdf

 

[Sandisw]

I wonder why they are including the longhouse studios in here. Those aren’t available for this sale for fixed week, are they?

It’s just the chart for the resort. It will always include all options, regardless of whether they are available or not.

 

[PoppyJ]

Just bought 60 points! I agree prices are not going to go down for contracts under 100 points, so I am happy to buy now so I can use the points for my upcoming trip. I recently bought a 36 point BLT resale contract, and I'm not sure why I thought that would be enough points because it's definitely not!

I sold my resale Polynesian contracts because they were a different use year. But I actually love the location of the longhouses, so I will still be happy there if it is too difficult to get a tower studio in the future.

I have 200 direct Riviera points that I use mostly as SAP because I got them during the amazing sale a couple years ago ($1,085 (5 points free); $1,500 (current incentive); $1,500 (welcome home); $3,300 (magical beginnings)). I wanted direct points to combine with these points for stays at Fort Wilderness the next few years, as we want to bring our dog but there's no way I'm buying there.

I thought about buying SSR or BLT resale for sleep around to fulfill my dream of staying in a bungalow or Copper Creek cabin, and I ramped up my low ball offers this past month. Ultimately, no sellers were even willing to negotiate (all straight rejections). I told myself that if I didn't get anything by today, I'll go direct, and I did!

 

[Cyberc1978]

The big difference is that MB is a rebate, so no income tax, which needs to be paid for regular rentals.

In that case MB would be available to international owners but since they are not, it’s because of something else. I read here at DIS months ago that you get a check in the mail with the selling amount. That makes me believe that you need to pay tax on it and not that it’s a rebate. Also the points aren’t taken immediately you can see them om your dashboard and later on they are taken.

 

[davidhr]

In that case MB would be available to international owners but since they are not, it’s because of something else. I read here at DIS months ago that you get a check in the mail with the selling amount. That makes me believe that you need to pay tax on it and not that it’s a rebate. Also the points aren’t taken immediately you can see them om your dashboard and later on they are taken.

No tax documents are generated.

It's a rebate because you need to make a purchase to get it.

Edit: Just checked the documents and it’s specifically stated it’s a rebate. As mentioned before, corporate lingo is included that DVC doesn’t make any representations regarding tax implications, if any.

 

[Sandisw]

In that case MB would be available to international owners but since they are not, it’s because of something else. I read here at DIS months ago that you get a check in the mail with the selling amount. That makes me believe that you need to pay tax on it and not that it’s a rebate. Also the points aren’t taken immediately you can see them om your dashboard and later on they are taken.

It has something to do with DVD not being able to pay an international buyer in this manner.

But, as mentioned, it does not require taxes to be paid.

 

[4mcbjCtr]

Have they announced any additional monorail trains being placed into rotation with the add-on of the tower? When we stayed at Poly a few months ago, monorail transportation was horrible. I am wondering what this will look like?

I am waiting on ROFR for SSR points. Will I be able to eventually use those at the 7 month window at Poly tower, when there are actually reservations available to book at the 7 month mark? Or will there be restrictions on that? I realize that will probably be years from now, but I am a site stalker for last minute reservations, so hoping I can use my resale points for a trip at Poly tower sooner than later.

 

[Tatebeck]

Have they announced any additional monorail trains being placed into rotation with the add-on of the tower? When we stayed at Poly a few months ago, monorail transportation was horrible. I am wondering what this will look like?

I am waiting on ROFR for SSR points. Will I be able to eventually use those at the 7 month window at Poly tower, when there are actually reservations available to book at the 7 month mark? Or will there be restrictions on that? I realize that will probably be years from now, but I am a site stalker for last minute reservations, so hoping I can use my resale points for a trip at Poly tower sooner than later.

No new monorail plans have been announced that I am aware of.

Yes the resale points from nonrestricted resorts will be able to book the tower at 7 months, just like the older Poly rooms

 

[Sandisw]

Have they announced any additional monorail trains being placed into rotation with the add-on of the tower? When we stayed at Poly a few months ago, monorail transportation was horrible. I am wondering what this will look like?

I am waiting on ROFR for SSR points. Will I be able to eventually use those at the 7 month window at Poly tower, when there are actually reservations available to book at the 7 month mark? Or will there be restrictions on that? I realize that will probably be years from now, but I am a site stalker for last minute reservations, so hoping I can use my resale points for a trip at Poly tower sooner than later.

Yes resale can still be used and the updated multi site POS document someone posted confirms that in writing as well.

 

[Kailunkat]

Interesting - I did not clarify with my guide this morning whether or not I could book the Tower on 10/15 using non Poly points. I wonder if non-Tower related poly points (i.e. PVB points purchase before today) is the same as non-Poly points with respect to these booking checkpoints...

You cannot. 10-15 is only PVB points. And there are also some stipulations on that… see below…

The impression I got was he was referring to the points I just bought, as far as using developer inventory. But I didn't ask specifically.

I asked this question and was told specifically that developer inventory would only be used for NEW points and that you could not combine existing unused points and new points.

For example - if you bought 150 new points but had 100 from a previous PVB contract (either direct or resale) you could still only use 150 to book developer inventory - you could NOT combine and book a stay costing 250 points.

As an existing Poly owner, I’m wondering the same; can we still book on 10/15?

All PVB owners will be able to book between 10/15-10/30 but only NEW points (important to not the distinction is the points not new owners) will be able to ask for developer inventory.

But, only PVB points work, even if within 7 months. I am still having a hard time believe that current owners will be given special access to a welcome home booking with their new points as DVC has never done it.

See the above for an explanation of what my guide (who I know from previous recommend your guide threads is also YOUR guide ) explained today about this issue.

they will allow new purchasers access to developer inventory to secure reservations at the tower. He reiterated it several times (I questioned it a lot) and told me to make sure I tell member services that I'm a new purchaser when I call on 10/15.

Important distinction - it was explained to me as NEW POINTS not new purchasers. New purchasers would automatically qualify (since their points are also new) but existing owners can also book from developer inventory too.

I had the same reassurance from my guide that they will allow access to cash inventory for all bookings with new points. We will see!

Ok this was my MOST IMPORTANT takeaway from my guide conversation today - CS will be able to convert existing tower cash reservations into points bookings starting on 10/15.

I’m going to restate that to be sure it’s clear: anyone who has an existing cash reservation for a tower room will be able to switch it over from a cash reservation to a points reservation by calling member services starting on 10/15. That option will be available ONLY until the existing PVB owner booking period for the tower is done through 10/30. Once the tower opens for all points/7 month window bookings that will no longer be possible.

All that leads me to believe that DVD held back a bunch of the cash inventory from the tower cash booking period (probably because they didn’t have their acts together/weren’t sure on points chart/weren’t sure on opening dates) and now are going to fill these “new point” bookings with those reserved cash bookings.

Does anyone know what the timeline for the new poly contracts ? I mean, I confirmed with my guide this morning but have not received any emails to sign. Would that take a few days ?

My guide said they did a pretty brisk business today and email docs would not go out until tomorrow for a lot of today’s purchases. I wouldn’t worry yet. If Thursday comes around and you still don’t have docs then send your guide a follow up.

We decided to go ahead with the 150 direct Poly points today Thanks to everyone here offering advice and guidance. I’m still looking to add on again with resale once contracts come back down but I’m happy with my new blue card.

 

[Sandisw]

For those interested, the new/latest Poly Public Offering Statement: https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...ral-docs/POLYV_POS_Rev_04_2024_10-01-2024.pdf

And the new/latest Multi-Site Public Offering Statement: https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...ering_Statement_Rev_05_16_2024_10-01-2024.pdf

Did you notice that the new pool does not appear to be a common element of the association?

It appears they belong to the hotel side, like all the other pools. It clears up that owners have the same RTU them as with previous pools.

And that all guests will have access to all of them, no matter which building they stay in.

 

[Sandisw]

You cannot. 10-15 is only PVB points. And there are also some stipulations on that… see below…



I asked this question and was told specifically that developer inventory would only be used for NEW points and that you could not combine existing unused points and new points.

For example - if you bought 150 new points but had 100 from a previous PVB contract (either direct or resale) you could still only use 150 to book developer inventory - you could NOT combine and book a stay costing 250 points.


All PVB owners will be able to book between 10/15-10/30 but only NEW points (important to not the distinction is the points not new owners) will be able to ask for developer inventory.

See the above for an explanation of what my guide (who I know from previous recommend your guide threads is also YOUR guide ) explained today about this issue.


Important distinction - it was explained to me as NEW POINTS not new purchasers. New purchasers would automatically qualify (since their points are also new) but existing owners can also book from developer inventory too.



Ok this was my MOST IMPORTANT takeaway from my guide conversation today - CS will be able to convert existing tower cash reservations into points bookings starting on 10/15.

I’m going to restate that to be sure it’s clear: anyone who has an existing cash reservation for a tower room will be able to switch it over from a cash reservation to a points reservation by calling member services starting on 10/15. That option will be available ONLY until the existing PVB owner booking period for the tower is done through 10/30. Once the tower opens for all points/7 month window bookings that will no longer be possible.

All that leads me to believe that DVD held back a bunch of the cash inventory from the tower cash booking period (probably because they didn’t have their acts together/weren’t sure on points chart/weren’t sure on opening dates) and now are going to fill these “new point” bookings with those reserved cash bookings.


My guide said they did a pretty brisk business today and email docs would not go out until tomorrow for a lot of today’s purchases. I wouldn’t worry yet. If Thursday comes around and you still don’t have docs then send your guide a follow up.

We decided to go ahead with the 150 direct Poly points today Thanks to everyone here offering advice and guidance. I’m still looking to add on again with resale once contracts come back down but I’m happy with my new blue card.

Great info! I definitely am surprised but with the elimination of MB, I can see how it makes sense for DVD to do it.

It is good for those buying new points who did book on cash to be able to convert since they are really giving owners cash rooms!

Also, thanks for clarifying that the is special access is only going to be available until the end of the month and that if you have both, the old points only can access declared units.

It guess anyone who is considering has a reason to buy sooner rather than later because once this ends, no special inventory for current owners.

 

[supercarrie]

Did you notice that the new pool does not appear to be a common element of the association?

It appears they belong to the hotel side, like all the other pools. It clears up that owners have the same RTU them as with previous pools.

And that all guests will have access to all of them, no matter which building they stay in.

Any reference to the terrace gardens in the documents? I noticed the advertising said those would be an Island Tower exclusive, but wasn't clear if that would actually be the case and how they would enforce that (i.e. key card/MagicBand restricted?)

 

[disneylandtour]

I don’t know what is being posted elsewhere, but it seems to me we have less people saying they are buying now than I thought we would.

They are pretty good at determine what they are anticipating for sales so I bet it will be at least a few months at a minimum.

I love being at WDW. But this is simply a bad value. It feels a little like a cash grab for emotionally-driven buyers. Which I guess is OK. But as far as I can tell that’s not the vibe of this particular board.

 

[Sandisw]

Any reference to the terrace gardens in the documents? I noticed the advertising said those would be an Island Tower exclusive, but wasn't clear if that would actually be the case and how they would enforce that (i.e. key card/MagicBand restricted?)

I didn’t read the entire document yet but was curious about the pool.

Those terraces are part of the building but how they determine access wouldn’t be necessarily in the document unless they are considered commercial space and then they can do what they want.

If I see something about it, I’ll let you know!!

ETA: it doesn’t mention them at all so whatever rules and access exists will be something that will be determined later.

 

[Kailunkat]

I love being at WDW. But this is simply a bad value. It feels a little like a cash grab for emotionally-driven buyers. Which I guess is OK. But as far as I can tell that’s not the vibe of this particular board.

I think this board does skew more towards the spreadsheet and cost calculations set - but the value is based on individual circumstances. In my case, because I travel with large (10+ person) groups a lot I knew I wanted to buy 150 points direct for the blue card discounts. The higher price point of 150 direct PVB balances out against resale after 6 years for me and the lack of resale restrictions on PVB made it the best option since I don't think we will end up holding the contract until expiration. Everyone's situation is a little bit different - just because the base price is higher than many hoped doesn't mean it won't work out math-wise for some of us.

 

[CastAStone]

I didn’t read the entire document yet but was curious about the pool.

Those terraces are part of the building but how they determine access wouldn’t be necessarily in the document unless they are considered commercial space and then they can do what they want.

If I see something about it, I’ll let you know!!

ETA: it doesn’t mention them at all so whatever rules and access exists will be something that will be determined later.

Poly has always been an outlier in that zero of the common areas belong to the condo association. Not even a bench.

I can’t think of another resort written up that way. I imagine there must be a reason for it but I can’t for the life of me figure out what it would be. But then continuing that with the new tower make the difference between Poly and the other resorts on common area ownership even starker.

In practice it’s probably a meaningless distinction. But it’s one of those weird quirks I find fascinating.

 

[CastAStone]

Have they announced any additional monorail trains being placed into rotation with the add-on of the tower? When we stayed at Poly a few months ago, monorail transportation was horrible. I am wondering what this will look like?

I would expect more or larger boats, not better monorail service. There’s no easy or even difficult way to add capacity to the monorail; to do so, you’re taking it offline for a painfully long time.

Edited because I forgot a key word!

 

[disneylandtour]

No new monorail plans have been announced that I am aware of.

Yes the resale points from nonrestricted resorts will be able to book the tower at 7 months, just like the older Poly rooms

I believe during busy periods all monorails are in service presently. There have been no new order for monorails. During the gingerbread season, it'll be bad, I fear. The rest of the year, probably OK.