CastAStone
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It feels like they are milking the views and point charts for all they are worth.
100%. yes. It’s greedy and it’s garbage.
It feels like they are milking the views and point charts for all they are worth.
Agreed. I think the theme park view rooms are going to be the last the book up unless we're talking about July 4th and New Years. It'll be a mad scramble to get the standard view rooms at 11 months, and then after that most PVB owners will begrudgingly take the preferred rooms, and then come the 7 month window the non-PVB owners will scoop up the theme park view rooms as a "bucket list" vacation room or a special occasion.The points chart is in line with the current longhouses. I would have been worried if there were no studios in the tower as then the ultra-high point 1/2 br would have excerbated the current bungalow point sink.
I am hoping that a good chunk of the buyers are current owners looking to add points to stay in 1/2br so there is not a hit to SV studio 11 month availability.
I do think that the TPV studio, after the first year of bookings, is going to be the last to book and be a major breakage room. I would not pay the 65-point surplus in May when I can just go to the beach to see the fireworks. It may pressure the Moorea Lagoon view rooms as you get nearly as much view as the TPV for 32 fewer points ( May).
Agree that was a shock to me, I thought the whole back side would have been SV and you would take your chances as to the floor. Other than parking lot Pago Pago (which is not that bad), you have no real risk of a bad view in the SV longhouse. Having a busy highway as the view is worse than the parking lot IMO.The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.
Exactly. It should have been roughly 40% theme park view, 10% pool view, and 50% standard view.Agree that was a shock to me, I thought the whole back side would have been SV and you would take your chances as to the floor. Other than parking lot Pago Pago (which is not that bad), you have no real risk of a bad view in the SV longhouse. Having a busy highway as the view is worse than the parking lot IMO.
Isn’t the point of a business to maximize profit for shareholders? Charge as much as the market will bear? And any executive that won’t will eventually lose their job to one that will….100%. yes. It’s greedy and it’s garbage.
You mean to tell me Disney is a for profit company and doesn’t get paid via smiles, unicorns, and rainbows?!?!Isn’t the point of a business to maximize profit for shareholders? Charge as much as the market will bear? And any executive that won’t will eventually lose their job to one that will….
Why would we expect anything different?
Safe to say that will be what they do moving forward since VDH was the last one opened except CFW, but those don’t have any view types.You mean to tell me Disney is a for profit company and doesn’t get paid via smiles, unicorns, and rainbows?!?!
Of course they’re trying to maximize revenue, but they could have done that while still retaining some respect. We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.
I’m a big golf fan and if I had a room with a view of a course whether people are playing it or not would not be what it’s all about for me at all, unless we’re talking about overlooking a pro tournament which is clearly not the case here!Agreed. I think the theme park view rooms are going to be the last the book up unless we're talking about July 4th and New Years. It'll be a mad scramble to get the standard view rooms at 11 months, and then after that most PVB owners will begrudgingly take the preferred rooms, and then come the 7 month window the non-PVB owners will scoop up the theme park view rooms as a "bucket list" vacation room or a special occasion.
The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.
Those theme park view rooms are so heavily points inflated, it's really going to take seriously wealthy new buyers and/or people with tons of sleep around points from other resorts in order to fill them. This points chart will not be looked upon favorably as time passes.
The number of points should keep the dues low…. which was a lesson they learned from CFW…..Agreed. I think the theme park view rooms are going to be the last the book up unless we're talking about July 4th and New Years. It'll be a mad scramble to get the standard view rooms at 11 months, and then after that most PVB owners will begrudgingly take the preferred rooms, and then come the 7 month window the non-PVB owners will scoop up the theme park view rooms as a "bucket list" vacation room or a special occasion.
The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.
Those theme park view rooms are so heavily points inflated, it's really going to take seriously wealthy new buyers and/or people with tons of sleep around points from other resorts in order to fill them. This points chart will not be looked upon favorably as time passes.
For the duo studios, the FW that stick out to me would be:
- Week 49 or 50 for 128pts + a 25pt contract to get over 150 (if needed)
- First two weeks of December for tough to book rooms
- Week 35 for 124 or 150 points (S or P view) +a 26 pointer to get to 150 points if going standard view
- Tail end of August/first week of September for a cheap-ish time since they don't offer most times in September
- Then maybe Weeks 40-46 for 143 points
- for October or Early Nov stays. No easy way to get to 150 points with those though
We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.
The number of points should keep the dues low…. which was a lesson they learned from CFW…..
I believe they did this with BLT. They sold and opened BLT with most of the front being classified as Theme Park view. I believe it was 1-2 years later when the reclassified floors all front facing rooms from Theme Park view to standard view.You mean to tell me Disney is a for profit company and doesn’t get paid via smiles, unicorns, and rainbows?!?!
Of course they’re trying to maximize revenue, but they could have done that while still retaining some respect. We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.
I think this is a much, much bigger mistake than some posters are realizing. VDH starts as a 1 point up charge on views for Duo Studios and tops out at 2. Deluxe Studios start as a 2 point difference in views and tops out at 3. Essentially a 10% premium across the board.
Poly starts with a 7 point differential on Duo Studios (and the stupid top one isn’t even technically theme park) and tops out at 13!! Deluxe Studios start at 10 point differential and top out at 17. Essentially a 30% premium for preferred or 60% for theme park.
You need a 300 points contract to stay in a Duo Studio preferred over Christmas.
923$ a night… for a Duo Studio, with a lagoon view, on the rental market with the board sponsor or David’s. What exactly are the cash rates again? This is a serious problem.
Why this matters? Points reallocation is going to come when they realize the market doesn’t support a 60% premium for a view. In addition to the resort already having too many points due to the bungalows. Look for the standard rooms to go up, including the original long house rooms, when the rebalance occurs….
The one good thing I think I can say is this is the complete opposite scenario of the cabins. Maintenance fees may bottom.
It is, but it isn’t.The points chart is in line with the current longhouses.
I will revisit an earlier comment. As someone with a war chest of SAP+ points, I like that this point chart means I will likely have future access to TP view villas at 7m…..I think this is a much, much bigger mistake than some posters are realizing. VDH starts as a 1 point up charge on views for Duo Studios and tops out at 2. Deluxe Studios start as a 2 point difference in views and tops out at 3. Essentially a 10% premium across the board.
Poly starts with a 7 point differential on Duo Studios (and the stupid top one isn’t even technically theme park) and tops out at 13!! Deluxe Studios start at 10 point differential and top out at 17. Essentially a 30% premium for preferred or 60% for theme park.
You need a 300 points contract to stay in a Duo Studio preferred over Christmas.
923$ a night… for a Duo Studio, with a lagoon view, on the rental market with the board sponsor or David’s. What exactly are the cash rates again? This is a serious problem.
Why this matters? Points reallocation is going to come when they realize the market doesn’t support a 60% premium for a view. In addition to the resort already having too many points due to the bungalows. Look for the standard rooms to go up, including the original long house rooms, when the rebalance occurs….
The one good thing I think I can say is this is the complete opposite scenario of the cabins. Maintenance fees may bottom.
Pigs get slaughtered.Isn’t the point of a business to maximize profit for shareholders? Charge as much as the market will bear? And any executive that won’t will eventually lose their job to one that will….
Why would we expect anything different?