PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[CastAStone]

It feels like they are milking the views and point charts for all they are worth.

100%. yes. It’s greedy and it’s garbage.

 

[Mouseforward]

The points chart is in line with the current longhouses. I would have been worried if there were no studios in the tower as then the ultra-high point 1/2 br would have excerbated the current bungalow point sink.

I am hoping that a good chunk of the buyers are current owners looking to add points to stay in 1/2br so there is not a hit to SV studio 11 month availability.

I do think that the TPV studio, after the first year of bookings, is going to be the last to book and be a major breakage room. I would not pay the 65-point surplus in May when I can just go to the beach to see the fireworks. It may pressure the Moorea Lagoon view rooms as you get nearly as much view as the TPV for 32 fewer points ( May).

 

[hockeydad21]

The points chart is in line with the current longhouses. I would have been worried if there were no studios in the tower as then the ultra-high point 1/2 br would have excerbated the current bungalow point sink.

I am hoping that a good chunk of the buyers are current owners looking to add points to stay in 1/2br so there is not a hit to SV studio 11 month availability.

I do think that the TPV studio, after the first year of bookings, is going to be the last to book and be a major breakage room. I would not pay the 65-point surplus in May when I can just go to the beach to see the fireworks. It may pressure the Moorea Lagoon view rooms as you get nearly as much view as the TPV for 32 fewer points ( May).

Agreed. I think the theme park view rooms are going to be the last the book up unless we're talking about July 4th and New Years. It'll be a mad scramble to get the standard view rooms at 11 months, and then after that most PVB owners will begrudgingly take the preferred rooms, and then come the 7 month window the non-PVB owners will scoop up the theme park view rooms as a "bucket list" vacation room or a special occasion.

The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.

Those theme park view rooms are so heavily points inflated, it's really going to take seriously wealthy new buyers and/or people with tons of sleep around points from other resorts in order to fill them. This points chart will not be looked upon favorably as time passes.

 

[Mouseforward]

The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.

Agree that was a shock to me, I thought the whole back side would have been SV and you would take your chances as to the floor. Other than parking lot Pago Pago (which is not that bad), you have no real risk of a bad view in the SV longhouse. Having a busy highway as the view is worse than the parking lot IMO.

 

[hockeydad21]

Agree that was a shock to me, I thought the whole back side would have been SV and you would take your chances as to the floor. Other than parking lot Pago Pago (which is not that bad), you have no real risk of a bad view in the SV longhouse. Having a busy highway as the view is worse than the parking lot IMO.

Exactly. It should have been roughly 40% theme park view, 10% pool view, and 50% standard view.

 

[AstroBlasters]

100%. yes. It’s greedy and it’s garbage.

Isn’t the point of a business to maximize profit for shareholders? Charge as much as the market will bear? And any executive that won’t will eventually lose their job to one that will….

Why would we expect anything different?

 

[hockeydad21]

Isn’t the point of a business to maximize profit for shareholders? Charge as much as the market will bear? And any executive that won’t will eventually lose their job to one that will….

Why would we expect anything different?

You mean to tell me Disney is a for profit company and doesn’t get paid via smiles, unicorns, and rainbows?!?!

Of course they’re trying to maximize revenue, but they could have done that while still retaining some respect. We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.

 

[VGCgroupie]

You mean to tell me Disney is a for profit company and doesn’t get paid via smiles, unicorns, and rainbows?!?!

Of course they’re trying to maximize revenue, but they could have done that while still retaining some respect. We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.

Safe to say that will be what they do moving forward since VDH was the last one opened except CFW, but those don’t have any view types.

 

[Salokin]

Agreed. I think the theme park view rooms are going to be the last the book up unless we're talking about July 4th and New Years. It'll be a mad scramble to get the standard view rooms at 11 months, and then after that most PVB owners will begrudgingly take the preferred rooms, and then come the 7 month window the non-PVB owners will scoop up the theme park view rooms as a "bucket list" vacation room or a special occasion.

The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.

Those theme park view rooms are so heavily points inflated, it's really going to take seriously wealthy new buyers and/or people with tons of sleep around points from other resorts in order to fill them. This points chart will not be looked upon favorably as time passes.

I’m a big golf fan and if I had a room with a view of a course whether people are playing it or not would not be what it’s all about for me at all, unless we’re talking about overlooking a pro tournament which is clearly not the case here!

I’d enjoy the fact I can see something that gives me pleasure, even if I’ve never played the course but could relate to playing with family or friends, some of whom may no longer be here. In fact I’d probably spend most of my time looking at the course when most golfers aren’t even playing ie sunrise or sunset and then can just fully appreciate the beauty of them.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Agreed. I think the theme park view rooms are going to be the last the book up unless we're talking about July 4th and New Years. It'll be a mad scramble to get the standard view rooms at 11 months, and then after that most PVB owners will begrudgingly take the preferred rooms, and then come the 7 month window the non-PVB owners will scoop up the theme park view rooms as a "bucket list" vacation room or a special occasion.

The fact that they're even labeling the golf course view as "preferred" is laughable, and they should be ashamed. You'll have to look past a parking lot, monorail, and a busy road just to maybe see an average golfer 200+ yards away chunk it and then 3 putt. What a joke.

Those theme park view rooms are so heavily points inflated, it's really going to take seriously wealthy new buyers and/or people with tons of sleep around points from other resorts in order to fill them. This points chart will not be looked upon favorably as time passes.

The number of points should keep the dues low…. which was a lesson they learned from CFW…..

 

[BrianLo]

I'll just post all of them:


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For the duo studios, the FW that stick out to me would be:

• Week 49 or 50 for 128pts + a 25pt contract to get over 150 (if needed)
  • First two weeks of December for tough to book rooms
• Week 35 for 124 or 150 points (S or P view) +a 26 pointer to get to 150 points if going standard view
  • Tail end of August/first week of September for a cheap-ish time since they don't offer most times in September
• Then maybe Weeks 40-46 for 143 points
  • for October or Early Nov stays. No easy way to get to 150 points with those though

Here lies the issue. I had seriously considered this (week 49/50) as a way of tackling my complaint that Poly Tower was going to be too difficult to book these rooms. But if you actually cross reference Cabius’s charts, 128 points for a Duo is kind of terrible. You can get a standard studio across most of the rest of the portfolio for that range.

The points chart pops my excitement. The allure behind the Duos for me, in part, is getting a deal. The only way to marginally do that still is to book a standard duo with no additional 10% premium when resale maybe comes crashing back to reality.

Which I think we all realize might be next to impossible to actually book these. I have no idea what the capacity of the standard rooms is, they could be a value AK situation for all we know, limited to floors 1-3 on the monorail side.

 

[BrianLo]

We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.

I think this is a much, much bigger mistake than some posters are realizing. VDH starts as a 1 point up charge on views for Duo Studios and tops out at 2. Deluxe Studios start as a 2 point difference in views and tops out at 3. Essentially a 10% premium across the board.

Poly starts with a 7 point differential on Duo Studios (and the stupid top one isn’t even technically theme park) and tops out at 13!! Deluxe Studios start at 10 point differential and top out at 17. Essentially a 30% premium for preferred or 60% for theme park.

You need a 300 points contract to stay in a Duo Studio preferred over Christmas.

923$ a night… for a Duo Studio, with a lagoon view, on the rental market with the board sponsor or David’s. What exactly are the cash rates again? This is a serious problem.

Why this matters? Points reallocation is going to come when they realize the market doesn’t support a 60% premium for a view. In addition to the resort already having too many points due to the bungalows. Look for the standard rooms to go up, including the original long house rooms, when the rebalance occurs….


The one good thing I think I can say is this is the complete opposite scenario of the cabins. Maintenance fees may bottom.

 

[BrianLo]

The number of points should keep the dues low…. which was a lesson they learned from CFW…..

Indeed. The fallout is you don’t want to own there (CFW), but it’s a good deal to stay there. Poly you’ll potentially want to own, but not actually stay. The former is better for existing membership. The latter (Poly) is much better for the developer and owners of the resort.

Membership has a weird relationship though with maintenance fees and will likely see this as a long term good thing. I don’t blame the developer at all, but I agree with the qualifier of greedy.

 

[maui22]

You mean to tell me Disney is a for profit company and doesn’t get paid via smiles, unicorns, and rainbows?!?!

Of course they’re trying to maximize revenue, but they could have done that while still retaining some respect. We’ve really only seen this done once before where DVC really stretched the views descriptions, and that was at VDH out in California. This is the first time they’ve done it at WDW. If they do this for the next 2-3 DVC WDW properties, then you could be dealing a significant long term blow to the DVC brand. It’s important to get these things right to avoid becoming just another greedy “timeshare” in my opinion.

I believe they did this with BLT. They sold and opened BLT with most of the front being classified as Theme Park view. I believe it was 1-2 years later when the reclassified floors all front facing rooms from Theme Park view to standard view.

We bought before BLT opened and booked TP view before the change. We were assigned one of the lower rooms. We immediately complained and they moved us to a higher floor. There were many who were not as fortunate. Disney often gave people points back, but not everyone was so lucky.

We refuse to pay for BLT TP view rooms because we know someone 1 floor lower may have essentially the same view but pay the bargain standard view points. In fact, we have a lot of success booking SV rooms that are better than the TPV Disney originally assigned us in 2010.

Similarly, I am of the belief PVB longhouse lake view rooms on the first floor should have only 1/3-1-4 classified as lake view. FWIW guides were using the words Magic Kingdom view when we bought right away. All you see is the lake between the shore and the bungalows. Some Tokelau rooms have better views but are standard view. IMHO, Disney changing the longhouse rooms to preferred view is them admitting they were overly aggressive.

 

[New Mouse]

I think this is a much, much bigger mistake than some posters are realizing. VDH starts as a 1 point up charge on views for Duo Studios and tops out at 2. Deluxe Studios start as a 2 point difference in views and tops out at 3. Essentially a 10% premium across the board.

Poly starts with a 7 point differential on Duo Studios (and the stupid top one isn’t even technically theme park) and tops out at 13!! Deluxe Studios start at 10 point differential and top out at 17. Essentially a 30% premium for preferred or 60% for theme park.

You need a 300 points contract to stay in a Duo Studio preferred over Christmas.

923$ a night… for a Duo Studio, with a lagoon view, on the rental market with the board sponsor or David’s. What exactly are the cash rates again? This is a serious problem.

Why this matters? Points reallocation is going to come when they realize the market doesn’t support a 60% premium for a view. In addition to the resort already having too many points due to the bungalows. Look for the standard rooms to go up, including the original long house rooms, when the rebalance occurs….


The one good thing I think I can say is this is the complete opposite scenario of the cabins. Maintenance fees may bottom.

At the end of the day, Disney benefits financially from rooms that aren't booked. There is financial incentive for them to create a points chart that doesn't make sense to the guest, hence the bungalows.

 

[Mikey15]

The points chart is in line with the current longhouses.

It is, but it isn’t.

Most of the SV longhouse views are going to be like the preferred/pool view at PIT. But the preferred view is priced like the Lagoon view at Moorea, which is more like a TPV (well, at least for two floors). Then TPV at PIT is more expensive.

Then there’s the square footage / layout differences. So sure, they “matched” the existing studio charts, but arguably shifted the categories. Not a surprise at all, but also not quite like CCV matching VWL.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I think this is a much, much bigger mistake than some posters are realizing. VDH starts as a 1 point up charge on views for Duo Studios and tops out at 2. Deluxe Studios start as a 2 point difference in views and tops out at 3. Essentially a 10% premium across the board.

Poly starts with a 7 point differential on Duo Studios (and the stupid top one isn’t even technically theme park) and tops out at 13!! Deluxe Studios start at 10 point differential and top out at 17. Essentially a 30% premium for preferred or 60% for theme park.

You need a 300 points contract to stay in a Duo Studio preferred over Christmas.

923$ a night… for a Duo Studio, with a lagoon view, on the rental market with the board sponsor or David’s. What exactly are the cash rates again? This is a serious problem.

Why this matters? Points reallocation is going to come when they realize the market doesn’t support a 60% premium for a view. In addition to the resort already having too many points due to the bungalows. Look for the standard rooms to go up, including the original long house rooms, when the rebalance occurs….


The one good thing I think I can say is this is the complete opposite scenario of the cabins. Maintenance fees may bottom.

I will revisit an earlier comment. As someone with a war chest of SAP+ points, I like that this point chart means I will likely have future access to TP view villas at 7m…..

Maybe not right at open, but in years 3+

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

Feel like my Poly resale will make excellent SAP. Our growing family needs 2BR now, and the Lake View BLT are calling our names ala Moana

 

[CastAStone]

Isn’t the point of a business to maximize profit for shareholders? Charge as much as the market will bear? And any executive that won’t will eventually lose their job to one that will….

Why would we expect anything different?

Pigs get slaughtered.

I’ve seen this crap over and over. A business cuts too many corners or raises a price too high and it’s not that the market won’t bear it on paper, or even that there aren’t enough customers willing to pay, it’s that they lose the trust of their customers, and they start to see them as a bad partner to do business with.

Maximum profit extraction, in other words, can only work as a strategy for a period of time. It virtually never keeps working forever.

That’s what I mean by greedy. It’s fine to price high. It’s foolish to price to the point where your customers will eventually be upset when they’re continuously stuck with crappy overpriced TPV rooms.

 

[Einstein509]

Maybe I'm missing something here, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

Higher point charts (with aggressive classification of views) = more points sold = more $$$ for DVD/Disney

No?