PVB the new DVC?

And that is why the Bungalows are brilliant. You do not buy a studio, you buy points. You do not buy Studio points or Bungalow Points, you buy points.

Very true.

If the allure, nostalgia and fan-base of the Polynesian is so tremendous, then why were three longhouses converted?

Personally, I think occupancy must have been dismal. You may be an ardent fan of something, but that does not mean that you have the money to afford it.

This is one of the points where Disney is darned if it does and darned if it doesn't. For years, DVC members have been asking for a DVC component at the Poly. Even in 2011 when plans were first revealed for VGF, there were people wishing DVD would build at the Poly instead. So now, Disney builds a Poly DVC and people question Disney's motives.

As tjkraz pointed out in another thread, DVC inventory operates at near 100% occupancy year round. No matter what occupancy rates the Poly had before, DVC will improve on those numbers.


Older plans called for Luau Cove and Rapa Nui to be removed for large 5-story buildings. Disney even floated balloons around 2012 to gauge sight lines.

When rumors first appeared about a DVC component at the Poly, Tikiman reported that preliminary plans called for two VGF-like T-shaped buildings being constructed on either side of the resort. He may still have some drawings of those early plans on his tikimanpages website or Facebook site. Those plans were scaled back for reasons we may never know. Perhaps DVD didn't want to build that large of a DVC resort. The current configuration of 20 bungalows and 360 studios is resulting in a DVC resort with 4+ million points. But with two t-shaped buildings, 20 bungalows, and two longhouses, DVD now has maybe 8 or 9 million points it has to sell.

I think Disney/DVC is banking on the Poly faithful making up a majority of the Poly DVC buying group. . . . DVC didn't build the Poly for current DVC owners, it was built for the existing Poly audience.

I agree that DVD is banking that some of the Poly faithful will buy PVB points. But the larger audience it wants to capture are the thousands of Disney guests every year who attend a DVC presentation.
 
I think TJ has a very good grasp of the situation at the Polynesian.
 
If DVC intends to sell the studios to new members with ties to the Polynesian, I think a lot of the guests who stay in the new studios just might be surprised with what they are getting. They've taken a lot of what used to be the sleeping room and converted it to bathroom. So now you have a big bathroom (that was already not that small) and made the living space much smaller. Took away one of the queen sized beds and turned it into a sleeper sofa (I've heard it is supposed to be queen sized, not double sized though).

The rooms in what was recently Tahiti, before that named Moorea and now renamed Moorea, were larger than the rooms in the buildings on the other side of the resort. The living area was large with two queen beds and a table with chairs, plus a day bed. Now you just have that funky murphy bed/table combination.

I think the old Polynesian fans who stayed in these room previously might just be disappointed. Kind of like the BLT studios where the bathrooms and kitchenette is pretty good sized, but the living area is tight.
 

Well, in one sense it won't ever be. The market is constantly growing on the young end. Some of the people buying Poly points were in college or high school when the likes of BCV and SSR were selling.

As long as that new business grows at a faster rate than older members selling-off unwanted points, DVC will remain healthy.

But I think DVC is also trying to change the program's identity. MY original motivation for buying DVC was to have access to the larger One and Two Bedroom villas. But not everyone shares that mindset. Walt Disney World successfully fills 20,000 - 25,000 hotel rooms every single night...even at its inflated rates.

Poly rooms often run $500-600 per night, plus tax. Let's assume some pretty healthy discounting and use a figure of $400 per night. A 7-day / 6-night stay will run about $2400.

Those same 6 nights cost 99-110 DVC points in the two cheapest seasons. At $160 per point, figure $18k up front.

Even with annual dues, it will pay for itself in less than 10 years...with 40 years of discounted trips remaining. Disney wraps it all up in an affordable monthly payment.

Forget what we know about resale. Timeshare sales have always thrived on the uninformed. *I* could sell DVC points at those numbers.

I think we have to abandon any personal bias that many of us have for the larger villas. Many people are still quite content with a Studio-sized accommodation--particularly with the split bathroom and large square footage of the Poly.

I think you raise some good points about studios and peoples views on them. My concern about the Poly DVC is that their is a very limited range of accommodation options available.... For people holding DVC for the longer term it's pretty likely that their needs will change over time as their circumstances change. the lack of 1br and 2 br is a big negative. As families grow up that extra room is needed and when kids leave the nest studios become a more attractive option again.
 
Over the past 5-6 years, starting with BLT and continuing with VGC and VGF, we've seen not only the ongoing increase in the purchase price per point, but point inflation in regards to the number of points required to book a reservation.

Each time, people took to the boards to complain about Disney's focus on profits, and each time, the resort has been generally successful.

I think PVB will be the same way.

People are going to want to own DVC at the Poly. I think the location and the love people appear to have for this resort will make it successful, among other reasons. The 20 bungalows on the water will be a draw, and since studios are the first booked room type, the fact that there aren't any 1-BR units won't bother a lot of folks.

I wonder how long it will take for this to sell-out and for DVC to announce an expansion of PVB?

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I can appreciate the unique vacationing opportunity offered by the bungalows. However, I, too, find it odd that the bungalows are equal or more in cost than a VGF Grand Villa. Nightly fireworks aside, VGF Grand Villas offer much more in terms of occupancy, space and furnishings.

It is also important to note that the GFV GVs are not in high demand (almost every day in July and August is available). I think they are in a great sense a sales "dream" tool that in the end very few will use.
 
The bungalows are attempt to make a part of DVC even more exclusive than the rest of dvc. By offering this, they attract a different crowd. The bungalows are simply not built for the average dvc family. While I don't like it at all, there will be those who buy in and pay for the exclusivity of the bungalows. How else can they keep raising prices for new DVC resorts? The bungalows are simply a lesson of supply and demand. Decrease the supply (only 20 bungalows) equals higher asking price at new resorts. My purpose to buy dvc is accommodation savings. Buying into poly only offers accommodation savings for poly and a fewer higher priced resorts. If you want accomodation savings at all dvc resorts, then you don't buy poly.
 
If DVC intends to sell the studios to new members with ties to the Polynesian, I think a lot of the guests who stay in the new studios just might be surprised with what they are getting. They've taken a lot of what used to be the sleeping room and converted it to bathroom. So now you have a big bathroom (that was already not that small) and made the living space much smaller. Took away one of the queen sized beds and turned it into a sleeper sofa (I've heard it is supposed to be queen sized, not double sized though). The rooms in what was recently Tahiti, before that named Moorea and now renamed Moorea, were larger than the rooms in the buildings on the other side of the resort. The living area was large with two queen beds and a table with chairs, plus a day bed. Now you just have that funky murphy bed/table combination. I think the old Polynesian fans who stayed in these room previously might just be disappointed. Kind of like the BLT studios where the bathrooms and kitchenette is pretty good sized, but the living area is tight.

You covered most of my thoughts on the studios for people who have stayed in poly rooms in the past. They seem to lose more than they gain. I have kids and we can stay in a studio when going as a family for a few days but the rooms can feel cramped once you pull the sofa bed and Murphy beds out.

I would rather a smaller bathroom and more living space or they could have thrown in a small washer dryer into that bathroom. That would have enticed me. I like to have a majority of the laundry done when I go home.
 
It is also important to note that the GFV GVs are not in high demand (almost every day in July and August is available). I think they are in a great sense a sales "dream" tool that in the end very few will use.

BINGO!

And there are only 6 of those.

20 Bungalows
 
If wealthy people were going to splurge, they'd splurge on club level accommodations and suites. Not a pretty room over mosquito infested swamp water a hike and a half away from humanity. Just my opinion...maybe I'm wrong.
 
If wealthy people were going to splurge, they'd splurge on club level accommodations and suites. Not a pretty room over mosquito infested swamp water a hike and a half away from humanity. Just my opinion...maybe I'm wrong.

I have thought this as well, but feared if I posted it that I would have been met with much criticism. If paying cash, many of the monorail resorts have club rooms and suites that are significantly less and offer much more in terms of amenities and concierge-level service.

Also, if you really wanted to experience the south pacific, $2,200 - $3,000 a night would guarantee concierge service and a dedicated room attendant.
 
If DVC intends to sell the studios to new members with ties to the Polynesian, I think a lot of the guests who stay in the new studios just might be surprised with what they are getting. They've taken a lot of what used to be the sleeping room and converted it to bathroom. So now you have a big bathroom (that was already not that small) and made the living space much smaller. Took away one of the queen sized beds and turned it into a sleeper sofa (I've heard it is supposed to be queen sized, not double sized though).

yep - i am a little surprised that with an all studio setup, that they didn't go back to the OKW model of having 2 queens in a studio...
 
If wealthy people were going to splurge, they'd splurge on club level accommodations and suites. Not a pretty room over mosquito infested swamp water a hike and a half away from humanity. Just my opinion...maybe I'm wrong.

So true like it's straight out of the bible!

Thank you for making me smile Jennasis.

Best wishes,
Dave
 
So... DVD management is finding through history that:

1 The majority of DVC owners are purchasing enough points for a studio stay at whatever frequency they require.

2 The studio has become the most requested and thus hard to reserve room category in all of DVC.

3 They can raise the point cost at POS because the majority of purchases are relatively low point purchases. 100 points gets you a week. 16 k is an easy car payment. Keep your car for another 5 years after you pay it off and you can buy DVC.

But.... with the creation of the Bungalows, which I agree that almost no one will occupy--- (I consider my DVC actual cost per point to be about $8 per use, that's an actual cost of minimum almost 1000 per night for me to stay in one--ACTUAL COST!) the demand for studios will increase across the boards due to the point excess being sold and purchased at Poly to people who have only intentions to stay in a studio....

" I bought enough poly for a studio but can't get one.... so I will book at one of the other resorts..."

The range of owner "types" ( I need a 2 bed for my family size, I need a 1 bed for space and laundry, I need a studio for economy) will skew towards the studio owner, while the added studio capacity compared to added points will decrease proportionately. Less studios and more people wanting them.

And now the addition of the 5th sleeper in the older studios---

I predict that in a few years, the points per room category will begin to skew (as it did for a few years a little while ago to even up week days and week ends) to raise the point requirement for a studio and lower for a 1 bedroom.... due mostly to the fact that at the increased sales price, people will not be purchasing enough to stay above a studio.

I am in the group who bought when the prices were low and needed a two bedroom for my stay. I never would have or could have if the pricing was as it is today.

I agree that this marks a point where we will mostly see studio construction in the future, and DVC will change from vacation homes to vacation hotels.

I also think that when the contracts expire, (OKW on the chopping block first) They will do a complete overhaul to begin eliminating the larger room categories. Easier to sell at higher point costs and fit more people into the existing space.

Just a theory.
 
Older plans called for Luau Cove and Rapa Nui to be removed for large 5-story buildings. Disney even floated balloons around 2012 to gauge sight lines.

Here is an older image that Denise (denlo) had on DVCNews.com from 2013 using Tikiman's data.

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At one point, i know there was a drawing of two T-shaped building on the right side. (Basically, tearing down Rapa Nui and Tahiti to replace them with new construction). Obviously, that portion is scraped.

However, they could construct a five story Poly building replacing the luau area (as shown in the image).
 
Here is an older image that Denise (denlo) had on DVCNews.com from 2013 using Tikiman's data.

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At one point, i know there was a drawing of two T-shaped building on the right side. (Basically, tearing down Rapa Nui and Tahiti to replace them with new construction). Obviously, that portion is scraped.

However, they could construct a five story Poly building replacing the luau area (as shown in the image).

At least that early diagram preserved some of Sunset Point.

I'm going to miss the old Sunset Point!

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If DVC intends to sell the studios to new members with ties to the Polynesian, I think a lot of the guests who stay in the new studios just might be surprised with what they are getting. They've taken a lot of what used to be the sleeping room and converted it to bathroom. So now you have a big bathroom (that was already not that small) and made the living space much smaller. Took away one of the queen sized beds and turned it into a sleeper sofa (I've heard it is supposed to be queen sized, not double sized though).

The rooms in what was recently Tahiti, before that named Moorea and now renamed Moorea, were larger than the rooms in the buildings on the other side of the resort. The living area was large with two queen beds and a table with chairs, plus a day bed. Now you just have that funky murphy bed/table combination.

I think the old Polynesian fans who stayed in these room previously might just be disappointed. Kind of like the BLT studios where the bathrooms and kitchenette is pretty good sized, but the living area is tight.

From what I remember of my mother's Poly room around 2011, the bathroom in these DVC units will be a major improvement. Her room needed some major TLC.

Main area will in fact be somewhat smaller, but there was a ton of room before. If you fold up the couch during the day, I believe the Poly lovers will find the space to be as good as before (if not even better).
 
At least that early diagram preserved some of Sunset Point.

I'm going to miss the old Sunset Point!

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Absolutely agree with you Mike. The bungalows are the burr under my saddle as far as PVB. I have great memories of Poly. I enjoyed walking out of Moorea building and seeing the castle and entire lake. IMHO, bungalows hurt the entire resort.

I can honestly say, if they had not built the bungalows and gone with the earlier (larger project), we would definitely be adding on this Monday.
 
This is just a theory:

Suppose you are Disney and wanted to build some enticing hotel rooms in the form of bungalows on the lake and rent them at a steep price. However, the cost of building them is high as is the cost of maintaing them since they are right in the water. How do you arrange it it so you can get back all your building costs and have someone else pay all the maintenance while you rent the units out for a profit?

You create the Poly timeshare with almost all studios so that your usual target audience will be able to buy enough points for the studios even though it still is on the expensive side for those purchasers. That target audience cannot afford to buy the points needed for the bungalows but that is the point, or shall we say points because Disney can sell all those additonal points applicable to the bungalows to purchasers who can afford to buy and use only the studios. The result: despite there being 360 studios, you will ultimately have higher demand for them than supply because you will have sold all those points for both the studios and the bungalows to purchasers who can afford only studios. As Disney, you recapture in sales all your building costs for both the studios and the bungalows. And since few of the timeshare purchasers will be able to reserve the bungalows on points, you as Disney will get to rent them much of the time for your own profit after a small percentage of the "breakage" income is given back to the association to offset some of the dues (only 2.5% of the dues). That asking rental price for the bungalows may be steep but of course when renting you as Disney may offer bargains, add in tickets, and even for a a little extra amount provide concierge service to the renters who stay there. Not only will you get to rent them most of the time for your own profit but all of the maintenance and repair costs, and real estate taxes, for the bungalows will be paid for by the dues charged to all those purchasers who can buy only enough points to get studios. Thus, even if your rentals are slow, it is all still profit for Disney without the usual costs of maintenance.

Of course, that is just a theory.
 












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