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Puppy Training & Update

marydmjj

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Update: Lilo is doing great on the leash. She hasn't had any accidents in the house since DH let her loose last week. My problem now is she is piddling in her crate. I don't get it. She goes outside plenty and hadn't had any accidents in her crate for a long time. Now, since having her on the leash she's started. Weird.

Anyway, I have a training question. When she is off the leash inside and it's time to either leash her or put her in the crate she runs away. It takes 2 people to corner her and catch her. What can I do? I've tried to be calm and assertive and not chase her but she still runs away. She doesn't respond to her name either. :crazy:

Thanks,
Mary
 
I'm no expert, but...
Puppies can regress in housebreaking just like toddlers do. Either make sure the crate is so small, she won't want to piddle where she sleeps, or, if it's larger, put folded up towel/blankie in part for her to sleep on and newspaper in rest in case she wets. (Many experts disagree with paper in the crate, but it is sure easier to clean up than constantly doing laundry!) To a certain extent, puppies can only hold it for so long too, it's a matter of age and maturity.

It's a shame she's already learned to associate coming to you with something negative (being crated). You'll either need to leave a long leash on her, so you can "reel her in", or start carrying tiny treats, call her name, pop her a treat, repeat. Build up to catching her, giving her a treat, and releasing her, so she doesn't always associate being caught with something "bad".

Good luck, I'm sure you're doing a great job!
Terri
 
DUH!!! Why didn't I think of this before? Lilo is a teenager now! You MUST get a copy of this book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0876057423/103-6770463-4498243?v=glance&n=283155 She's rebelling just like a human teenager and it's imperative that you teach her immediately who's the Alpha in this relationship in a way that can't be mistaken. Petey went through this stage too and I was at the end of my rope. I was ready to find a new home for him when as a last ditch effort I got the book. It worked a miracle. Get it. NOW!
 
Make the crate a fun place- this may take re-crate training, and re-training on coming when called with lots of praise, lots treats and positive reinforcement. PLUS- every time you leash her or call her, she's going into the crate- well, of course she's gonna run. That means play time is over! So try leashing her, letting her go. Putting her in her crate, then turn around and let her out in a couple of minutes. Call her to come to you, give her a treat andlots of praise when she does, then let her go back to doing her thing. It will take a while. I still can't let my dog off-leash outside or she BOLTS and no amount of treats/ or "COME Jules" will get her back!!

ANd the crate piddling thing, make the crate as small as possible while still big enough for her to stand up, turn around and lay down. That's it. OUr crate is huge (so is our dog) but it came with a divider so we could make it smaller when she was a pup. Wipe up the crate with nature's miracle or petzyme or something similar every time she potties in it.

And if two people are cornering her/chasing her to get her, it is going to stress her out and she'll definitely associate coming to you as a bad thing, plus then she'll have to go to her crate.

Do you keep toys in the crate? We always leave Jules' KONG in with her- I highly reccomend a KONG toy!! I even bought one for my dog-niece (LOL). They are like dog pacifiers- chewable, and you can stuff them with treats or peanut butter!!! When the peanut butter comes out of the cabinet, Jules is in her crate without so much as a word, because she knows it's goodie time!!

I know how frustrating puppies can be, and it sounds like you're doing a great job! I hope these suggestions help- it's what worked for me and our dog. Good luck!
 

Ok- Housebreaking and the crate issue:

Try a reverse Pavlov on her. But a few bells on a string and hang them down low enough that she can get to them. Everytime you take her outside say, "Lilo, ring your bell to go outside/potty/whatever you tell her." Take her to the bells and put her paws up and ring them with her. We always did it in a high, fun voice so Casey knew that this was a good thing. For us, it took three days before Casey hesitantly rang her bell and sat at the door. She went out, did what she needed, and came back in to much love and adoration.

Initially, you'll need to learn when they're being coy and just rinignt he bell for attention and when they really need to go out. But, until you learn, EVERYTIME she rings that bell, she goes out. It's her way of telling you she has a need. I swear by it, as does everyone else we've told. We had Casey trained in 10 days.

I tell you this becuase I suspect the reason she is soiling her crate (usually the first thing they stop soiling) is becuase she does have a need and can't tell you. Instead of doing it in the house, where's she's gotten in trouble for it before, she's going to her crate- HER house. Need to break that ASAP.

The running-

She's being a puppy and testing boundaries! She's a girl, what do you expect?! :rolleyes: Does she like her leash? If not (Casey hated it), just put it on her and stick it through your beltloop. This is, she's learning to stay with you, you can keep an eye on her, and she's adjusting the leash as a part of her everyday experiences and not just when she's going out or going to the vet (ie, high excitement times). You probably want to start working on sit with her so that she does know whose in charge and what her response should be when you do need to put the leash on her.

Right off the bat, we taught Case that the command "Leash" means to lay down on all fours. For us, it was important that a child (lightyears away, but she will be around when we have babies) could easily put a leash on her. This has proved incredibly beneficial at dog parks as we watch others struggle to get the dog to sit still long enough to clip them up and take them out. It's also great for vet visits....

Edit: Your dog is a lot older than I thought... :lovestruc

I crate trained my never before crate trained 8 year old dogs for my Mom. I spent a week with her and noticed that the three of them (one of them is my step-dad's dog) would line up and pee one of top of the other becuase of the change in household dynamics. I couldn't deal with it-and I know she was at her wit's end.

If they constantly associate the crate with time out or alone time, it's not good. It's the opposite of what the crate is for. Try pulling into the middle of the family room and putting Lilo in there while the family is around and watching TV or reading or cooking, etc. Definitely invest in a Kong and a jar of peanut butter of cookies that fit in them. Leave it uncovered and just let her be in her own little world with her toy and with the family around her. You've got to get her to the point that she wants to be in her crate and that she knows its her home. Most properly crate-trained dogs love their crate and recognize it as their place. You can also draw the distinction between sleep time and "self time" in the crate by covering it so that she can't see out when you want her to rest and leaving it uncovered when you want her to self entertain.
 
Thanks for the replies. I am going to get a Kong toy and try that. She does go in her crate on her own when we are home and hanging out in the kitchen. When she is in the kitchen with me, she is off the leash. It's just when we are in the living room/dining room playing and it's time to either leave or go to bed, she runs. I'm sure she thinks it's still playtime. I'm positive she is laughing her furry little head off while I'm trying to corner her.

Anyway, all of the suggestions and help has been wonderful.

Mary
 


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