Pro Choice or Not

[LuvDuke]

I think it's a bit of an overstatement to say that a pro-life advocate's opinion will most definitely impact your life.

It's not an overstatement at all when that opinion morphs into the law of the land. Roe v Wade derives from Griswold v Conn which was based on a Constitutional right to privacy. Overturn Roe and your right to privacy depends on your state legislature.

I think too many people thought this would never happen. It's happening.

If an opinion stays an opinion, you're absolutely right. But, I don't think that's the intent of many pro-life "advocates".

 

[freckles and boo]

I dont like the wording in the poll...

I voted keep it legal, but the is nothing to "LIKE" about abortion.

I agree completely. I think we should do everything in our power to reduce the number of abortions, including realistic sex education and advocacy for parents-to-be. BUT, abortions have been going on since the beginning of time and they aren't about to stop just because we criminalize them. They must remain safe and legal and available. Then we can put the focus where it belongs - on minimizing the need!

So - female and pro-choice (but not pro-abortion).

 

[Darth Cupcake]

Female and Pro-Life

 

[mommasita]

Female Pro-choice. I don't like it, but IMHO we should live in a pro-choice world.

 

[Bob Slydell]

If an opinion stays an opinion, you're absolutely right. But, I don't think that's the intent of many pro-life "advocates".

If the pro-life advocates are successful in getting pro-life candidates elected and if those pro-life candidates are successful in convincing Congress and the Supreme Court in changing legislation, then it may impact your life.

I'm just saying there's a lot of if's and maybe's to go through before someone saying they're pro-life directly affects your life.

 

[azgal81]

I'm a female and pro choice.

 

[LadyShiva]

But, I'll explain. Yes I've known rape victims. No I don't believe abortion should be legal for them. Neither did they.

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Your opinion is your opinion. But your arguments don't wash with me and never will.

And now you know a multiple rape and incest survivor who DOES believe in the availability of safe and legal abortions.

Does that change your opinion in ANY way?

I really don't think it will. Why did you have to throw that in there? Do you think we survivors vote as a block or something? You exclude yourself from that category, so I take it that means you haven't actually experienced the horror of living with your rapist for YEARS.

Please allow me to make my own decisions, and just don't get an abortion for yourself. But don't point to a survivor and say, see, they agree with me, too!

Brandie

 

[smartestnumber5]

Female and very pro-choice.

No one should ever be forced to have an abortion or forced to not to have one.

On a side note about the poll, I believe most polls show there isn't much of a gender difference in support for legal abortion. But I think there is a gender difference regarding being a leader in political activism for/against legal abortion--leaders against are mostly men, leaders for are mostly women. Make of that what you will (I don't know what, if anything, it means ).

 

[drag n' fly]

I have always struggled with this. I am pro-choice however I would never consider having one myself unless i was raped. Does that make me hypocritical? I have no idea what that means or where I stand!

 

[LadyShiva]

I have always struggled with this. I am pro-choice however I would never consider having one myself unless i was raped. Does that make me hypocritical? I have no idea what that means or where I stand!

I wouldn't call that hypocritical. I would call it a realization that the choice to have an abortion is a very hard one.

Brandie

 

[Golf4food]

That is your opinion. But many people disagree with it. You don't ever have to have an abortion. But why should you get to decide that no one else should have one?

No one will ever be able to convince me that I should not have an abortion because they don't believe in it. I do not believe that a 3 week fetus is a baby. I think it is a baby when it is born. But I am not going to force anyone else to believe that.

They may be able to make abortion illegal, but they will not be able to stop women from having one. I am all for keeping them safe and legal and letting women decide for themselves.

We should be able to decide abortion is illegal for the same reason we think that murder is illegal. It is a moral issue and if there are no limits on some moral issues then all hell breaks loose. Under the general logic to support abortion for any reason then you wind up down the path of "I should be able to murder people I don't want around me, too."

Will a premature baby survive on its own? No, of course not. But neither would most 3 year olds - should we be allowed to kill a 3 year old if we don't want it? There's all sorts of arguments we could hash out but they've been done before and likely won't change any minds anwyay.

If most abortions were performed because of a medical necessity or because of rape or incest, etc. then I wouldn't have such a problem, but the truth is that most abortions are performed as a "get out of jail free" card by people who don't want to accept responsibility for having sex. Plain and simple. Abortion is used as a cop out. When the bill comes from the tax man they skip out. Guys shouldn't be sleeping around either if they aren't willing to accept being a father. But unless it is a rape then the woman is the gate keeper, so to speak. I will never approve of killing an innocent life just because a person doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions - male or female. Medical necessities are something else entirely in my book. Difficult choices are rarely solved with easy answers.

There are many actions in life that result in potential good or bad consequences, but it seems that abortion is the only time that we get a "do-over". There is something cosmically unfair about that. Drunk drivers don't get do-overs. People having medical proceedures don't get do-overs. And yet a person having sex can get a do-over by just killing the baby and go on with their life like nothing happened if they should desire. It doesn't fit in the grand scheme of things whether you find it religiously or morally reprehensible or not.

So my position is clear, I suppose - and I'm male.

 

[LadyShiva]

We should be able to decide abortion is illegal for the same reason we think that murder is illegal. It is a moral issue and if there are no limits on some moral issues then all hell breaks loose. Under the general logic to support abortion for any reason then you wind up down the path of "I should be able to murder people I don't want around me, too."

Will a premature baby survive on its own? No, of course not. But neither would most 3 year olds - should we be allowed to kill a 3 year old if we don't want it? There's all sorts of arguments we could hash out but they've been done before and likely won't change any minds anwyay.

If most abortions were performed because of a medical necessity or because of rape or incest, etc. then I wouldn't have such a problem, but the truth is that most abortions are performed as a "get out of jail free" card by people who don't want to accept responsibility for having sex. Plain and simple. Abortion is used as a cop out. When the bill comes from the tax man they skip out. Guys shouldn't be sleeping around either if they aren't willing to accept being a father. But unless it is a rape then the woman is the gate keeper, so to speak. I will never approve of killing an innocent life just because a person doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions - male or female. Medical necessities are something else entirely in my book. Difficult choices are rarely solved with easy answers.

There are many actions in life that result in potential good or bad consequences, but it seems that abortion is the only time that we get a "do-over". There is something cosmically unfair about that. Drunk drivers don't get do-overs. People having medical proceedures don't get do-overs. And yet a person having sex can get a do-over by just killing the baby and go on with their life like nothing happened if they should desire. It doesn't fit in the grand scheme of things whether you find it religiously or morally reprehensible or not.

So my position is clear, I suppose - and I'm male.

Where did you get your statistics from? How do you know why all women are having an abortion?

I can understand and appreciate your argument if you had just said, "I don't morally agree with having an abortion if your contraception failed or you didn't use contraception." But you went one step further and condemned a majority of abortions as unnecessary. You also correlated abortion to murder, which I disagree with (and I'll bet we'll have to agree to disagree, but I would point out you agree with a raped woman's right to an abortion, which is justifiable homicide, then?).

I think the "slippery slope" argument is illogical. Just because I have sex with my husband doesn't mean I will have sex with all men, or with goats.

Brandie

 

[dngrmys]

We should be able to decide abortion is illegal for the same reason we think that murder is illegal. It is a moral issue and if there are no limits on some moral issues then all hell breaks loose. Under the general logic to support abortion for any reason then you wind up down the path of "I should be able to murder people I don't want around me, too."

Will a premature baby survive on its own? No, of course not. But neither would most 3 year olds - should we be allowed to kill a 3 year old if we don't want it? There's all sorts of arguments we could hash out but they've been done before and likely won't change any minds anwyay.

If most abortions were performed because of a medical necessity or because of rape or incest, etc. then I wouldn't have such a problem, but the truth is that most abortions are performed as a "get out of jail free" card by people who don't want to accept responsibility for having sex. Plain and simple. Abortion is used as a cop out. When the bill comes from the tax man they skip out. Guys shouldn't be sleeping around either if they aren't willing to accept being a father. But unless it is a rape then the woman is the gate keeper, so to speak. I will never approve of killing an innocent life just because a person doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions - male or female. Medical necessities are something else entirely in my book. Difficult choices are rarely solved with easy answers.

There are many actions in life that result in potential good or bad consequences, but it seems that abortion is the only time that we get a "do-over". There is something cosmically unfair about that. Drunk drivers don't get do-overs. People having medical proceedures don't get do-overs. And yet a person having sex can get a do-over by just killing the baby and go on with their life like nothing happened if they should desire. It doesn't fit in the grand scheme of things whether you find it religiously or morally reprehensible or not.

So my position is clear, I suppose - and I'm male.

Good post! I would tend to agree with most everything you said. I'm male, too.

 

[JMD]

We should be able to decide abortion is illegal for the same reason we think that murder is illegal. It is a moral issue and if there are no limits on some moral issues then all hell breaks loose. Under the general logic to support abortion for any reason then you wind up down the path of "I should be able to murder people I don't want around me, too."

Will a premature baby survive on its own? No, of course not. But neither would most 3 year olds - should we be allowed to kill a 3 year old if we don't want it? There's all sorts of arguments we could hash out but they've been done before and likely won't change any minds anwyay.

If most abortions were performed because of a medical necessity or because of rape or incest, etc. then I wouldn't have such a problem, but the truth is that most abortions are performed as a "get out of jail free" card by people who don't want to accept responsibility for having sex. Plain and simple. Abortion is used as a cop out. When the bill comes from the tax man they skip out. Guys shouldn't be sleeping around either if they aren't willing to accept being a father. But unless it is a rape then the woman is the gate keeper, so to speak. I will never approve of killing an innocent life just because a person doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions - male or female. Medical necessities are something else entirely in my book. Difficult choices are rarely solved with easy answers.

There are many actions in life that result in potential good or bad consequences, but it seems that abortion is the only time that we get a "do-over". There is something cosmically unfair about that. Drunk drivers don't get do-overs. People having medical proceedures don't get do-overs. And yet a person having sex can get a do-over by just killing the baby and go on with their life like nothing happened if they should desire. It doesn't fit in the grand scheme of things whether you find it religiously or morally reprehensible or not.

So my position is clear, I suppose - and I'm male.

 

[smartestnumber5]

If most abortions were performed because of a medical necessity or because of rape or incest, etc. then I wouldn't have such a problem, but the truth is that most abortions are performed as a "get out of jail free" card by people who don't want to accept responsibility for having sex. Plain and simple. Abortion is used as a cop out. When the bill comes from the tax man they skip out. Guys shouldn't be sleeping around either if they aren't willing to accept being a father. But unless it is a rape then the woman is the gate keeper, so to speak. I will never approve of killing an innocent life just because a person doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions - male or female. Medical necessities are something else entirely in my book. Difficult choices are rarely solved with easy answers.

There are many actions in life that result in potential good or bad consequences, but it seems that abortion is the only time that we get a "do-over". There is something cosmically unfair about that. Drunk drivers don't get do-overs. People having medical proceedures don't get do-overs. And yet a person having sex can get a do-over by just killing the baby and go on with their life like nothing happened if they should desire. It doesn't fit in the grand scheme of things whether you find it religiously or morally reprehensible or not.

So my position is clear, I suppose - and I'm male.

By this logic penicilin used to cure chlamydia is a "get out of jail free card" right?

 

[LadyShiva]

To answer my own question for abortion statistics, here's a presentation to look over. I have to say it surprised me with its factoids:

http://www.guttmacher.org/presentations/abort_slides.pdf

I haven't checked the bibliography yet... If someone is more familiar with the studies cited, would you please post?

Brandie

 

[JoiseyMom]

I am pro-choice. The gov't, especially male dominated gov't has no right to tell me what I can or cannot do with MY body.

What I do with my body is not going to effect other people. It is a personal choice. If you don't believe in abortion and think they are wrong, great don't have one, you have that CHOICE. Why take away the choice of others???

 

[Crankyshank]

Here I was thinking I was the key master, but apparently as a woman I'm the gate keeper

 

[basas]

100% pro-life.

To me, except in cases of rape, there is always a choice.

 

[LadyShiva]

Here I was thinking I was the key master, but apparently as a woman I'm the gate keeper

*chuckle* You goof!