Prince Harry security status court case

[Karin1984]

It does seem that he actually inspires more hatred than his rapist uncle so I think it is justified concern for himself, his biracial wife and their biracial babies (and yes I do think racism has a lot to do with this). Diana tried to escape the life and ended up dead in spite of Dodi Fayed having access to private billions via his family so there is plainly a difference in private sector care and public sector care, all you need to do is look at his mom as proof. Maybe there was bigotry there too? The 90's were worse than now and now doesn't seem to be so great. Since they are in the US the brunt would be born by the US, and since, in the US we probably pay same for warlords and other such monsters through diplomatic status who I don't even know about, it does seem justified. Chances are good that the US would be paying to watch him anyway on the downlow because it would be absurd to ignore someone so high profile, so why not make it above the table?

MAYBE if people would stop spewing so much venom it could be relaxed but for now it seems they need as much protection as possible, those poor babies will need protection from the kooks who seem unhinged.
It is laughable to think he, his wife or babies are living the life of his brother and his family.

The comments in this thread are examples of why he needs armed security.

What a shock!!!

He needs armed security (so he says) because 1. He is a prince by birth and therefore a target for International terrorists, 2. Because he fought in Afghanistan in combination with #1 and 3. Because neonazi's are not that fond of him.

The people here and in the UK are not the ones who he needs protection from.

Better option would be if the press stopped reporting about every little thing they do, then at least all the court cases against the press stop. But no matter how much they hate the press and people having an opinion on them. Being forgotten is worse and hurts their value even more.

 

[LuvOrlando]

He needs armed security (so he says) because 1. He is a prince by birth and therefore a target for International terrorists, 2. Because he fought in Afghanistan in combination with #1 and 3. Because neonazi's are not that fond of him.

The people here and in the UK are not the ones who he needs protection from.

Better option would be if the press stopped reporting about every little thing they do, then at least all the court cases against the press stop. But no matter how much they hate the press and people having an opinion on them. Being forgotten is worse and hurts their value even more.

I'm going to have to disagree with this because people in his home country are the only ones who seem interested, if he was left alone in the US we'd end up completely ignoring them like we ignore everyone else. MAYBE someone would ask to take a photo with them in DIsney Land but that's about it, truly deep down we are mostly apathetic.

 

[Karin1984]

@LuvOrlando celebrities do like them. Celebrities taking selfies with Harry at the superbowl. Giving them an award for all the work they have done for social justitie (NAACP awards), Meghan's Oprah interview dress put on display in a museum as dress of the year.

That the normal people do not care is maybe not as much of an issue. As long as the press and the rich and famous care, that is enough to keep their brand going.

 

[Tink-osophy]

I'm going to have to disagree with this because people in his home country are the only ones who seem interested, if he was left alone in the US we'd end up completely ignoring them like we ignore everyone else. MAYBE someone would ask to take a photo with them in DIsney Land but that's about it, truly deep down we are mostly apathetic.

Nah. Not interested, just fed up of some of their choices and desire to influence us all.

Still, whilst I don't like their attempts at manufacturing a different kind of 'royal' existence -- having turned their backs on the Royal Family, personally and professionally -- I can see that Harry probably needs a level of protection based simply on the lottery of his birth.

 

[NotUrsula]

It's nonsense; more of their posturing for press attention. He can *easily* evade the press on enough of a basis to not be seen; look at the time he flew commercial with a cap on and wasn't noticed until he got off the plane. The four of them together might be more noticable, but they can easily use drivers and move around separately in order to accomplish that. He (and his wife) need to face the fact that having dropped down to 6th in the succession, he's just not that valuable as a national asset any more, and thus not a very valuable target, either, any more than any other random rich guy, and London is FULL of those these days.

 

[mamamia2005]

I just think its ridiculous. Harry and Meghan said they wanted a quiet life, and yet as soon as things don't seem to be going their way, they wheel out another court case, interview or book.
And I can't quite forgive him for throwing his Granny under the bus with that Orpah interview. That was unforgivable in my opinion.
Maybe he has changed and wants everything his own way now (he never used to strike me as being like that) - maybe its the Meghan effect. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

 

[bcla]

Well the royal idiot has taken the uk government because he wants taxpayer security team with security information from the government. This was first mentioned last year as harry wanting to pay to have uk armed police (there are not that many cops don’t carry guns as routine) while you can hire retired police security you can not hire current working police officer. Well it turns out harry wants armed guards at taxpayer expense. Also entitled to intelligence information from mi5 etc. these where removed from andrews girlsin 2012. His goal is to be granted by law the status of international protected person status. If he gets that it means when ever he is in a country like America where they live he will have the right to tax payer security guards. Again he wants the right to slag of his queen and country and be a private person to make money yet still get the perks of being a royal. Remember if he gets international protected person status YOU will pay for his security detail.

Do you have sources for that? All I can find is a statement from his legal reps saying that he would be willing to pay for it. It would be similar to police services provided to political campaign events or even sports teams in the United States, where only actual law enforcement can stop traffic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1482478333980024839

Some of the articles I'm reading refer to "taxpayer funded" police but that he's still offering to reimburse the costs.

 

[bcla]

I am struggling most with the rumour that Harry only offered to pay for it himself when the story broke. Apparently that was not in the very first draft of this complaint.

On the other hand, it is complicated. As I understand it: Harry wants armed guards at all times with the intelligence of the UK government. He cannot hire outside security for this as they are not allowed to wear arms and do not have access the same information.

But from the government's point of view, you cannot have four guards on standby to have them ready whenever Harry wants to come over. Even if he is paying for it himself, that is easier said than done.

My other issue is how is Harry going to do this in other countries? He is coming to NL this summer for the Invictus Games and the people who are apparently want to get to him can just as easily take him down here. Probably even easier.

Harry also has another court case, just started, against the Daily Mail again, but luckily he found time between the court cases to publish a statement that they stand with Ukraine.

Isn't armed private security legal? I know it's not in the UK, but it is in many parts of the world. Heck - a friend of mine got married in India, and they had security with automatic weapons just in case someone crashed the party looking to steal people with lots of money and jewelry.

 

[Karin1984]

Isn't armed private security legal? I know it's not in the UK, but it is in many parts of the world. Heck - a friend of mine got married in India, and they had security with automatic weapons just in case someone crashed the party looking to steal people with lots of money and jewelry.

Not in the UK, and not in the Netherlands, I think it's not allowed in several European countries. In France some can since a few years, but that makes sense the amount of terrorist attacks they have recently.

If Harry could get private armed security, this wasn't as much of an issue to him.

 

[Karin1984]

Do you have sources for that? All I can find is a statement from his legal reps saying that he would be willing to pay for it. It would be similar to police services provided to political campaign events or even sports teams in the United States, where only actual law enforcement can stop traffic.

Some of the articles I'm reading refer to "taxpayer funded" police but that he's still offering to reimburse the costs.

I cannot find the article, but it was in one of the tabloids (I think in the Daily Mail) They claim that Harry protested first, without offering to pay for it himself. That was added when it was brought to court.

The problem is, that Harry needs specialized security. Even if Scotland Yard was for hire, they do not have spare agents they can use for this purpose. Private security isn't allowed to wear arms, no jurisdiction and no intelligence. (As I understand it)

**Edit** it was just published again in an article in the Mirror on this case: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-offer-pay-security-26332849

The Home Office’s written arguments also claim that Harry’s offer of funding was “notably not advanced to Ravec” at the time of the duke’s visit in June 2021, or in any pre-action discussions.

Harry was chased by photographers during this trip.

 

[mom2rtk]

The comments in this thread are examples of why he needs armed security.

What a shock!!!

So which posts here give some indication of potential violence?

 

[bcla]

Not in the UK, and not in the Netherlands, I think it's not allowed in several European countries. In France some can since a few years, but that makes sense the amount of terrorist attacks they have recently.

If Harry could get private armed security, this wasn't as much of an issue to him.

I thought that I saw sources that indicated that armed security in the Netherlands was legal, but then again not everything one reads is accurate. Here's a interesting piece on hiring armed bodyguards in Europe. The writer claims that it can be interesting in the EU.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/use-firearms-private-security-personnel-european-countries-marius​

The possession and use of firearms by PSC (Private Security Company) personnel in the EU varies greatly from geopolitical, economic, law differences and interrelationship with ethnic minorities. Indeed, whilst Ireland, Denmark, France and Netherlands firearms are prohibited for private security personnel, they are permitted by all other EU countries despite the fact that European Commission is trying to draw a regultion line in all countries to be followed, however, even in those countries where the possession of firearms is permitted, the level of control or criteria needed to legally possess these weapons differ greatly. Generally speaking there are limitations on the circumstances required for the possession and on the type of weapon that can be carried.​

But of course if Harry is visiting, I think they might actually allow armed police to provide a protection detail. There's talk that he will be visiting his grandfather's memorial in the UK, and because of his status (and the high profile event) they will provide armed security as they would be a foreign dignitary.

In the United States it's even tricky because of the issues with location, government, etc. Each level of government might have different restrictions. In California, it's actually legal to openly carry a firearm (even loaded) in areas not part of a city (we call them "unincorporated") except for some restricted areas. There are security guard permits that may allow private security to carry a firearm loaded, although they may or may not allow concealment. Then there's concealed carry permits which would allow someone to carry a concealed or unconcealed firearm anywhere in the state. On top of that there are issues with reciprocal permit recognition between states. However, I'm pretty sure it's possible to hire an armed bodyguard in any part of the United States, although they might need to carry unconcealed.

 

[Karin1984]

The memorial is not much of a problem, because Harry is then with other royals getting the protection. If Harry is visiting the Queen or Charles he will get the protection there.
It's the other stuff that causes a headache, like visiting friends or charities.

One thing I miss in most of the articles, Harry's lawyers repeat that Harry doesn't feel safe. But I do not see any discussion on whether or not he truly is safe=. That's probably also because of classified information etc. Is the risk as high as he feels it is? I do not know enough about the threats against royals or how valid his statements are, but I do think we can say that Harry is deeply traumatized and at least a little bit paranoia. It would be interesting if this court case ended with a psych evaluation of Harry.

I think Harry coming back for the memorial is going to be tricky. It's in 6 weeks and I doubt this is resolved in 6 weeks. If he does come, he will have the protection at the memorial because of being there with the other royals, but he cannot do anything else without the security or it will hurt his court case.
And till it's resolved Meghan and the children definitely cannot come, as according to Harry they are not safe in the UK.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

There have always been threats to Prince William’s children - it’s been an issue with them going to school. I assume Harry is (probably rightfully) concerned about the same thing with his children, and threats to himself and his wife as well.

https://www.romper.com/p/does-princ...ity-for-the-royal-family-is-extensive-9279140

 

[Jangles]

I was pondering last night the fact that the children of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are in school and yet none of their teachers, or the parents of other pupils have tittle tattled about them to the media. Similarly, I don’t recall any tittle tattle columns written about the Duke of Cambridge’s (or Harry’s) time at Eton. Not even soldiers who trained with them at Sandhurst or served with them ‘sold’ stories about them to the media. Not even ‘the Butler!). Perhaps a reason for hope and to have faith in the integrity of the British public.
It is telling that the most highly revered members of the Royal family are those who keep their heads down and serve by working hard… the Princess Royal, the Duke and Duchess of Wessex, the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall, the Duke of Duchess of Cambridge and of course the Queen. They don’t court publicity. I think that this is why the Duchess of Cornwall is now accepted. Generally, British people think that Americans worship Harry and Meghan, so it is interesting to read the views expressed on here.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I was pondering last night the fact that the children of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are in school and yet none of their teachers, or the parents of other pupils have tittle tattled about them to the media. Similarly, I don’t recall any tittle tattle columns written about the Duke of Cambridge’s (or Harry’s) time at Eton. Not even soldiers who trained with them at Sandhurst or served with them ‘sold’ stories about them to the media. Not even ‘the Butler!). Perhaps a reason for hope and to have faith in the integrity of the British public.
It is telling that the most highly revered members of the Royal family are those who keep their heads down and serve by working hard… the Princess Royal, the Duke and Duchess of Wessex, the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall, the Duke of Duchess of Cambridge and of course the Queen. They don’t court publicity. I think that this is why the Duchess of Cornwall is now accepted. Generally, British people think that Americans worship Harry and Meghan, so it is interesting to read the views expressed on here.

If you read the commentary on articles, you will see that’s not really the case. Most Americans didn’t even know who Megan Markle was before she started dating Harry. And there seem to be some who like her, but more who don’t. Harry is probably different, as the son of Diana, who many of us revered, although his behavior of late is losing him some respect, as well. I think I understand pretty much where he’s coming from, but I don’t like what he’s done to his family, either.

 

[Wakey]

The USA is welcome to this clown and his wife. We don’t want them back in the U.K.

 

[NotUrsula]

I think that most Americans liked the idea of Harry when he was content to keep his head down most of the time, being the hail-fellow-well-met, and only popping into the public eye occasionally to lay wreaths and publicize charities for disabled veterans. He's not particularly bright, and he once knew the limitations that came with that; people liked him because he was fun, not because he was inspiring. Since his marriage, however, he has started putting on airs; on the one hand relentlessly exclaiming poor-poor-pitiful-chased-by-cameras-me, and at the same time ever seeking the spotlight in a warped quest for some kind of post-modern sainthood. His problem is that he has no real claim to fame on his own accomplishments; his fame is about who he is related to, not him personally, and the minute he opens his mouth that tends to show. He's also getting a bit long in the tooth to claim to be an example of feckless youth. (He has now lived longer than his mother.)

Special Branch have said that there is no known credible threat to his family. He's afraid that someone in a car is going to chase them down, but here's the thing: no one can chase you if you don't actually run. He's a middle-aged married man with 2 kids and a wife who used to be a B-list TV actress. He doesn't have a real job, and lives on family money. If he visits and does nothing but the usual boring family things any wealthy person might do, the thrill will wear off fast. Wave at the paparazzi and go on about your business; if you don't try to hide from them the photos will be dull and not worth much, and they will leave. If he isn't doing anything scandalous then the only real reason they would have to pursue him is his determination to dodge them; the photos thus become a hunting trophy.

 

[ronandannette]

The comments in this thread are examples of why he needs armed security.

What a shock!!!

Seriously? You’re suggesting disdain by a bunch of Disney-loving suburban soccer moms equates to some sort of physical threat? Not really.

 

[Jangles]

I read that Jose Andres has sent a team to the border of Ukraine-Poland border to provide meals to refugees and is sending another team to the Ukraine-Romanian border. Perhaps if Harry volunteered for this he would garner some respect. Actions speak louder than words.