Presidential Politics

[shortbun]

I'm concerned about the "I'm not voting" folks. I hope it's
because you are not eligible. We need everyone to vote.
AND, we need all votes to count and be counted.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by shortbun
I'm concerned about the "I'm not voting" folks. I hope it's
because you are not eligible. We need everyone to vote.
AND, we need all votes to count and be counted.

ITA. And if people really want their votes to be counted, I suggest that they follow the extremely simple directions that come with the ballots.

Because regardless of his PRIVATE life, he was a good president.

I agree that President Clinton was a good President. But it ceased being his private life when he lied about it under oath. As for your claims that President Bush lied, it would be nice to see some actual proof, as opposed to the continuous baseless accusations leveled by the wah-wah crowd.

 

[Fishbone†]

You are of the opinion that he lied...... I am not.

And, I bring Clinton into these discussions NOT because I think he was a great president (that is FAR from what I think). It is my opinion that he is responsible for supporting, condoning and contributing to the moral decline of our nation. And it isn't JUST about his personal moral improprieties.

 

[MosMom]

As for your claims that President Bush lied, it would be nice to see some actual proof, as opposed to the continuous baseless accusations leveled by the wah-wah crowd.

Yes, it would be nice wouldn't it? Especially BEFORE the election but it looks like that won't be happening.

 

[floridaminnie]

What would be nice? What's going to happen before the election?

 

[Galahad]

I hope they rake him over the coals for what he did.

What, exactly did he do?

 

[Lanshark]

It's interesting that half the people that support Kerry don't like or trust him. They just don't like Bush. Most voting for Bush actually like/trust him.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Lanshark
It's interesting that half the people that support Kerry don't like or trust him. They just don't like Bush. Most voting for Bush actually like/trust him.

I noticed the same thing...yet, those that support President Bush are supposedly "brainwashed"...

 

[Fishbone†]

I find it interesting that Galahad's question elicited such an overwhelming response. The silence speaks volumes.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I noticed the same thing...yet, those that support President Bush are supposedly "brainwashed"...

He says a few things about family values and you clamp on to him. He starts a war on lies, you make up excuses for him and say he was helping the Iraq people.

People can be mad about Clinton, but not about Bush.

He supports tax cuts for companies that work people outside of the country. That means that we will continue to lose more and more jobs.


But suuuure, the job losses are because of 9/11

 

[AirForceRocks]

He says a few things about family values and you clamp on to him.

That has nothing to do with why I support him.

He starts a war on lies, you make up excuses for him and say he was helping the Iraq people

You keep saying he lied, yet you can't provide a scintilla of evidence to prove it. Even MosMom said as much in an earlier post...and I've never said that he did it to help the Iraqi people. A nice side benefit, no doubt, but not the primary reason.

He supports tax cuts for companies that work people outside of the country.

There are specific tax cuts for companies that employ people outside of this country?

That means that we will continue to lose more and more jobs.

We lose jobs here because overseas workers will do the same work for less. That's an economic reality and the price of capitalism.

But suuuure, the job losses are because of 9/11

I don't believe that all of the job losses are because of 9/11, but there is no disputing the fact that 9/11 had a huge impact on the economy.

I just find it the height of arrogance to believe that because someone has different views and values when it comes to what is important and what is the best path for the country to take, that necessarily means that they are brainwashed. Did it EVER occur to you that there are many people that just don't have the same priorities and values that you have?

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Did it EVER occur to you that there are many people that just don't have the same priorities and values that you have?

Of course. Those that don't care about the future.

You keep saying he lied, yet you can't provide a scintilla of evidence to prove it. Even MosMom said as much in an earlier post...and I've never said that he did it to help the Iraqi people. A nice side benefit, no doubt, but not the primary reason.

Are you kidding me? There is an investigation going on right now about the WMD statement. He related Iraq to 9/11 WHICH had no relation what so ever. He put fear into Americans because his daddy didn't finish the job.

There are specific tax cuts for companies that employ people outside of this country?

Yes.

I don't believe that all of the job losses are because of 9/11, but there is no disputing the fact that 9/11 had a huge impact on the economy.

So are you disagreeing with me that Bush has caused job losses in the US?

I just find it the height of arrogance to believe that because someone has different views and values when it comes to what is important and what is the best path for the country to take, that necessarily means that they are brainwashed

I just find it the height of arrogance to believe that because someone has different views and values when it comes to what is important and what is the best path for the country to take, that necessarily means that they are brainwashed

The best path of the country would be a bright future? Disagree with this?

With the way our government is going, my generation will be paying out the *** for his mistakes and Bush isn't doing anything , but adding to the problem.

Now thats my thinking, not because you have different views but because those views aren't understanding whats going on.

 

[Alice28]

My, my, my....perhaps this should be moved to the debate board?

I find it interesting that some people are going on the attack personally here....I thought we were talking about John Kerry and George Bush...not putting each other down for our views. And it definitely seems one-sided as far as the put downs go..............................

 

[AirForceRocks]

Of course. Those that don't care about the future

Yeah, no arrogance there... I care very much about the future, I just don't agree on the best way to get there.

Are you kidding me? There is an investigation going on right now about the WMD statement.

You're right, there is. But the investigation is to see whether or not he lied. Since the investigation is ongoing, where is your proof?

He related Iraq to 9/11 WHICH had no relation what so ever.

No he didn't. He said that Iraq harbored terrorists, which is true.

Yes.

Link to the facts, please.

So are you disagreeing with me that Bush has caused job losses in the US?

Yes, I'm disagreeing with you, because Presidents don't cause job losses, the economy does. And Presidents don't run the economy.

The best path of the country would be a bright future? Disagree with this?

Nope, don't disagree with that. I just disagree with you on the best way to get there.

Now thats my thinking, not because you have different views but because those views aren't understanding whats going on.

More arrogance - are you this much of a one-trick pony IRL? I understand what's going on, I just don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Well I'm not going to change any views here

You're right, there is. But the investigation is to see whether or not he lied. Since the investigation is ongoing, where is your proof?

They have already found out that even before 9/11 , Junior was already wanting to attack Iraq.


Last post for this thread, no point in me argueing with Bushies. Your views won't change.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Well I'm not going to change any views here





They have already found out that even before 9/11 , Junior was already wanting to attack Iraq.


Last post for this thread, no point in me argueing with Bushies. Your views won't change.

And yours will?

BTW, where is your imaginary "tax for exporting jobs" link?
As I thought, more fairytales...

 

[Alice28]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Actually, it would be better for the government to keep that money in times like this, because its known that most people don't go out and spend all their tax cut.

Can't recall the example my economics teacher gave. Something like out of a $300 check, americans only put $30 back into the economy.

I am of the opinion that I should be able to spend my money that I earned the way I want to spend it. I don't want the government deciding how to spend my money, whether it is $3, $30 or $30,000. I certainly contribute quite a bit in taxes and to my community on my own thank you very much.

And let me tell you how I would spend an average $300----a chunk would go to my mortgage (that keeps bankers, office workers, builders in business): that is the amount of my car payment- I'm sure the Subaru dealership is quite happy with me, as well as local gas stations, and the stores I shop at since I have a car to drive, as well as the insurance company I go through...$300 is about what I spend in two weeks on food for my family and incindentals----I know Costco and Safeway appreciate that $300 and so do the people and manufacturers who work for them. $300 is easily what I could spend on clothes for my kids for the new season- Old Navy and Target sure love that $300!!! Even if that $300 went towards electricity, cable or my water bill----those companies ALL employ people and my business keeps their jobs. Right? My husband and I do not earn enough to just "stash" away $300 for a rainy day. 9 times out of 10 it will go towards our cost of living. And the other 1 time---maybe it will go towards a debt or our kid's college account, or whatever...I'm sure those credit card companies employ plenty of folks who are happy to process my checks and so on and so forth.

Stepping off my soap box.

 

[JDY]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I support him because he is more concerned with the security of the United States than he is with trying to win an unwinnable popularity contest with the rest of the world.

I support him because he realizes that his first responsibility is to this country, not to the United Nations.

I support him because he realizes that I know better how to spend my money than the government does.

I support him because he says what he believes is right, whether people like it or not.

1. That's why we are in a constant state of fear.
2. So what? We kicked the UN out of Iraq to start an illegal war with a country that was of absolutely no threat. And found exactly the same thing the UN did...NOTHING
3. Really...that's why he's spent more money than any President in history
4. Even though it is baseless, unintelligible, and wrong.

 

[JDY]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks

He related Iraq to 9/11 WHICH had no relation what so ever.


No he didn't. He said that Iraq harbored terrorists, which is true.

“Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda” 2003 State of the Union

In his “victory” speech on the USS Lincoln, Bush proclaimed “We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda.”

It's the Residential Shrub's Crony too...

In September 2003, Cheney claimed US success in Iraq is “a major blow right at the heart of the . . . geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9-11.”


I guess we'll never agree on this. At least we agree that President Clinton was a good President.

 

[AirForceRocks]

1. That's why we are in a constant state of fear.

Protecting ourselves equates to a constant state of fear? How so?

2. So what? We kicked the UN out of Iraq to start an illegal war with a country that was of absolutely no threat. And found exactly the same thing the UN did...NOTHING

We didn't kick the UN out, and the war was not illegal. If you have something that proves otherwise, please provide a link.

3. Really...that's why he's spent more money than any President in history

Sorry, wrong again. Even tossing aside the absurd idea that a President spent in 3 years what another President might have spent in 8 or 12 years, look at inflation. When adjusted for inflation for 2002 dollars, President Clinton spent more in his last three years than President Bush has in his first three. This is not meant as a slam on President Clinton, I just used those figures because they were closest in proximity to President Bush's numbers.

4. Even though it is baseless, unintelligible, and wrong.

If you truly find his words to be unintelligible, then how can you possibly determine if they are baseless or wrong?