Presidential Election

[Axel]

I must agree.

A person who worked hard deserves quality health insurance.

But a person who's very smart, has a college education, and being lazy, does not deserve full health insurance. (Just an example)

I'll elaborate more later.

What if that was a person whose very smart, has a college education, and can't find a job?

Many teachers aren't doing what they went to college for because they need money to pay for things like health insurance. That's part of the reason there's a teacher shortage in this country. They're not being paid enough and they're not being given good enough benefits to make it worthwile.

 

[imabrat]

I must agree.

A person who worked hard deserves quality health insurance.

But a person who's very smart, has a college education, and being lazy, does not deserve full health insurance. (Just an example)

I'll elaborate more later.

Yanno, I think anyone who supports this mentality needs a swift kick in the rear on a one way ticket to the real world.
God Forbid it happened to anyone who supports it, I bet you your healthcare plan you'd be changing your tune faster than I can say Aetna.

JMO.

 

[pitt02]

Sparx wanna talk about stepping out into the real world, as good as it sounds that everyone gets the same healthcare, lets just say i have healthcare and lets just say your cousin doesnt. I already pay for my healthcare why should I spend my hard earned money paying for someones healthcare that I dont even know at all. How fair is that. Of course I want everyone to have healthcare but I also want everyone to have a house but it just isnt going to be able to happen.

 

[imabrat]

Sparx wanna talk about stepping out into the real world, as good as it sounds that everyone gets the same healthcare, lets just say i have healthcare and lets just say your cousin doesnt. I already pay for my healthcare why should I spend my hard earned money paying for someones healthcare that I dont even know at all. How fair is that. Of course I want everyone to have healthcare but I also want everyone to have a house but it just isnt going to be able to happen.

Then how do you feel about giving food/money/etc. to homeless? I mean, they got themselves there, they can get themselves out right?
What about food banks?

With these, essentially your money is going to help others. I see it as compassion for another human. I'm not saying these situations are the same, but they're pretty dang alike.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Sparx wanna talk about stepping out into the real world, as good as it sounds that everyone gets the same healthcare, lets just say i have healthcare and lets just say your cousin doesnt. I already pay for my healthcare why should I spend my hard earned money paying for someones healthcare that I dont even know at all. How fair is that. Of course I want everyone to have healthcare but I also want everyone to have a house but it just isnt going to be able to happen.

When you begin to pay taxes your paying for other people. Your paying for the road to be paved, for police cars, for education, to keep prisoners happy in prison. Do you have a problem with that too?

 

[Sparx]

Sparx wanna talk about stepping out into the real world, as good as it sounds that everyone gets the same healthcare, lets just say i have healthcare and lets just say your cousin doesnt. I already pay for my healthcare why should I spend my hard earned money paying for someones healthcare that I dont even know at all. How fair is that. Of course I want everyone to have healthcare but I also want everyone to have a house but it just isnt going to be able to happen.

do you have a job? because i do. every time i get paid, a portion of my money doesn't go to me. it goes to social security checks, public education, and a ton of other stuff that helps people i don't know. it called taxes. and socialized medicine would happen the same way.

socialized medicine is in several major countries around the world. it is nothing more than sheer ignorance to say that it couldn't happen in america. the only thing that is keeping everyone from having equal health care is people with an attitude like yours.

 

[pitt02]

Ya but you have control of how much you give to those, with healthcare the money they are going to need is going to be huge; were complaining about taxes now if that goes through just wait taxes will double maybe even triple.

 

[disneydance]

Obama hes currently winning all the polls
Also if we choose Mccain we will have just chosen a walking talking Bush

 

[pitt02]

And yes i have a job and if healthcare goes through instead of payday i will be paying them to work.

 

[Ms.Squeakers]

Obama hes currently winning all the polls
Also if we choose Mccain we will have just chosen a walking talking Bush

Oh how much of an opinion THAT is.

Comparing McCain to Bush is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!

Im sorry, but thats not a true statement at all.

Just because they are both republican doesn't mean he will be just like bush.

That's NOT fact, thats an opinion, which i do not believe in.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Oh how much of an opinion THAT is.

Comparing McCain to Bush is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!

Im sorry, but thats not a true statement at all.

Just because they are both republican doesn't mean he will be just like bush.

That's NOT fact, thats an opinion, which i do not believe in.

McCain has voted with Bush on the same things 90%.

I think Mccain would be better then Bush, but not by much. JMO.

&& pitt02 taxes will not go up for everyone. Anyone with 250,000$ or a certain amount of income, I forgot what it is, their taxes will go up. Since they can afford the increase in taxes, they should be taxed higher. Again I say, why should someone with a 40,000$ income be forced to pay the same taxes as someone who makes 250,000$?

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

Don't generalize that a lot of people would go to the doctor for cuts and scrapes. Because honestly, some people would..but most people wouldnt. They have better things to do with their time. And I thought your statement saying that a box of bandaids to a welfare person would be to expensive was very rude. You've never experienced welfare FIRST HAND.

So a box of band-aids would be cheap to them?...i dont know about you, but if i was in welfare, i would say that everything is expensive

I apologize for any rudeness in my previous post.

And we're giving them support, but right now our priority is making sure they can heat their home this winter.

It's hard to get by right now. And you just said that they should get their medication. By what I've been reading (and how I've interpreted it), they're not working hard enough to earn healthcare that would cover meds like that. Right now my aunt and uncle have no insurance and the state doesn't give good insurance to kids. The Healthy Kids program they're on (because my uncle apparently makes too much to qualify for the one they need) covers something like 1 doctor's visit a year and has a $50 co-pay. Right now, they're swamped in bills from Miranda's (my 1 year old cousin) surgeries earlier in the year to help her breathe. As much as my family tries to help, we're not exactly rollin' in it, either. We give what we can to them, but it's not nearly enough. We're all worried about heating our own houses this winter.

And as for having less jobs, I don't think there would be. The way I would do it would actually create jobs because part of what I think needs to be done is to make that healthcare easily accessible, so we'd need more places for people to go, so we'd need more people working.

Everyone goes through a stage in their life when they are at rock bottom. Everyone has to pull through and usually everything works out perfectly.

Lifes tough, get a helmet

Thats an interesting thought about the jobs. But if we build more buidlings = more money that has to be spent. And I think everyone is trying to keep all the money they can now because it looks like we might be going into another depression.

 

[imabrat]

Oh how much of an opinion THAT is.

Comparing McCain to Bush is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!

Im sorry, but thats not a true statement at all.

Just because they are both republican doesn't mean he will be just like bush.

That's NOT fact, thats an opinion, which i do not believe in.

Really? Because McCain has said himself that's he's voted with Bush at least 90% of the time. That 10% doesn't leave much room for change.

 

[imabrat]

So a box of band-aids would be cheap to them?...i dont know about you, but if i was in welfare, i would say that everything is expensive



Everyone goes through a stage in their life when they are at rock bottom. Everyone has to pull through and usually everything works out perfectly.

Lifes tough, get a helmet

Thats an interesting thought about the jobs. But if we build more buidlings = more money that has to be spent. And I think everyone is trying to keep all the money they can now because it looks like we might be going into another depression.

When you're poor, you think about quantity. What's going to last you longer so you can save more and spend less. Box of no-name bandaids (less than $4 for at least 1 month) or one ER visit (hundreds of $$$ for one visit)?

Also, where are you getting the idea we need more buildings. We have plenty of buildings to work in, not enough positions for pay.

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

McCain has voted with Bush on the same things 90%.

I think Mccain would be better then Bush, but not by much. JMO.

&& pitt02 taxes will not go up for everyone. Anyone with 250,000$ or a certain amount of income, I forgot what it is, their taxes will go up. Since they can afford the increase in taxes, they should be taxed higher. Again I say, why should someone with a 40,000$ income be forced to pay the same taxes as someone who makes 250,000$?

They already do...its called income taxes

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

When you're poor, you think about quantity. What's going to last you longer so you can save more and spend less. Box of no-name bandaids (less than $4 for at least 1 month) or one ER visit (hundreds of $$$ for one visit)?

Also, where are you getting the idea we need more buildings. We have plenty of buildings to work in, not enough positions for pay.

okay, so refernish the buildings we can say. Because, there is a certain criteria for hospitals and clinics that people need to follow...But its still costing the invester money

 

[Tinkerbell424]

So a box of band-aids would be cheap to them?...i dont know about you, but if i was in welfare, i would say that everything is expensive

You can buy bandaids at the dollar store, usually.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

They already do...its called income taxes

Uhm, yes I know that. But with Obama's plan he wants to raise the taxes for people who make more income and keep the same taxes for people who make less income.

Didn't I state that before?

 

[Addicted.to.Speed]

Uhm, yes I know that. But with Obama's plan he wants to raise the taxes for people who make more income and keep the same taxes for people who make less income.

Didn't I state that before?

Idk, but i think thats total bs

Lets put this into a prospective of gpa.

We have little johnny who works his butt off to get good grades in highschool. He studies for tests somtimes for up to 4 hours a night. He ends up his Sr. year with a gpa of 4.0.

We also have little suzy who doesnt care about school. Goes out partying everynight and has a rough homelife. Thinks shes the hot stuff of the school and she gets a gpa of 3.0.

Now the school board wants to take johnny's hard earned gpa score of a 4.0 and give .3 gpa points away from him and give it to partying suzy. So now johnny have a jpa of 3.7 and suzy has a gpa of 3.3.

Cause no one actually needs a 4.0, they only need a 3.7

 

[Sparx]

Idk, but i think thats total bs

Lets put this into a prospective of gpa.

We have little johnny who works his butt off to get good grades in highschool. He studies for tests somtimes for up to 4 hours a night. He ends up his Sr. year with a gpa of 4.0.

We also have little suzy who doesnt care about school. Goes out partying everynight and has a rough homelife. Thinks shes the hot stuff of the school and she gets a gpa of 3.0.

Now the school board wants to take johnny's hard earned gpa score of a 4.0 and give .3 gpa points away from him and give it to partying suzy. So now johnny have a jpa of 3.7 and suzy has a gpa of 3.3.

Cause no one actually needs a 4.0, they only need a 3.7

oh please.