Presidential Election

[Tinkerbell424]

I never said they didn't work hard. Instead of telling me not to make assumptions maybe you shouldn't make them yourself.

I work hard for my money and I don't want to pay for them to get handouts when they don't pay taxes just because they don't have as much. I give to charities, but I don't want to pay for everyone. It's not my job. People should be held accountable and giving them a handout will not help them be accountable.

Sorry, I mis-read what you wrote.
Your taxes pay for everyone. They also pay to keep prisoners in prison and pay to give them food, and tv's and all that stuff in their cells. So, why not get upset at them for making a stupid choice to get themselves in there?

Yes people should be held accountable, but when they are poverty level you need to give them a break. Yes food stamps and welfare, but not everyone qualifies for food stamps all the time and it takes awhile to get there..sometimes there's different situations for different people.

 

[chisnpeke]

Laura, where are you coming from?

I agree that the public shouldn't have to pay for some lazy dingdings who don't want to work and mooch off the government. Your posts make it seem like anyone who accepts government assistance is a bad person. I do think we need to have some harder rules about checking up on those with assistance.

But for people who can't pay their taxes because they are genuienly trying to make it in this world, yes, I do think they deserve a tax cut. If they can't afford taxes as it is, the tax cut would help them build up. More money = more oppurtunity for an education = better paying jobs = able to afford regular taxes.

Obviously everyone is in disagreement with me about this issue.

I have no problem with government programs helping people who need them. Food stamps and welfare are examples. However I do have a problem giving away money to people. What does that motivate people to do? A lot of those people aren't even trying to find work because good old uncle same is going to give them money so why try?

My basic point is you pay for your own family and I'll pay for mine. I don't want to pay for people who CAN and are ABLE to help themselves but refuse to. I've seen it too many times. It's not because they are so badly disabled that they can't, it's that they just are lazy. That is what would happen under Obama's plan.

 

[imabrat]

Obviously everyone is in disagreement with me about this issue.

I have no problem with government programs helping people who need them. Food stamps and welfare are examples. However I do have a problem giving away money to people. What does that motivate people to do? A lot of those people aren't even trying to find work because good old uncle same is going to give them money so why try?

My basic point is you pay for your own family and I'll pay for mine. I don't want to pay for people who CAN and are ABLE to help themselves but refuse to. I've seen it too many times. It's not because they are so badly disabled that they can't, it's that they just are lazy. That is what would happen under Obama's plan.

I understand and I completely agree with you. I think we should have stricter investigations for those who truly need it. For those who truly need it, I have no probelm with giving them incentives to pick up their life.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Obviously everyone is in disagreement with me about this issue.

I have no problem with government programs helping people who need them. Food stamps and welfare are examples. However I do have a problem giving away money to people. What does that motivate people to do? A lot of those people aren't even trying to find work because good old uncle same is going to give them money so why try?

My basic point is you pay for your own family and I'll pay for mine. I don't want to pay for people who CAN and are ABLE to help themselves but refuse to. I've seen it too many times. It's not because they are so badly disabled that they can't, it's that they just are lazy. That is what would happen under Obama's plan.

Where is your proof that people who can't afford to pay taxes aren't paying because they are to lazy to get a job or work hard for their job? Because..most people I know or have seen, work very hard at their job so they can afford the necessities of life.

Your taxes don't go to pay for your own family. So why is it such a big deal to you that the government is helping out people who don't make so much money?

 

[chisnpeke]

Sorry, I mis-read what you wrote.
Your taxes pay for everyone. They also pay to keep prisoners in prison and pay to give them food, and tv's and all that stuff in their cells. So, why not get upset at them for making a stupid choice to get themselves in there?

Yes people should be held accountable, but when they are poverty level you need to give them a break. Yes food stamps and welfare, but not everyone qualifies for food stamps all the time and it takes awhile to get there..sometimes there's different situations for different people.

Prison is necessary. School is necessary. Some government assistance programs are necessary. Handouts are not.

I know people who qualify for food stamps right now but don't want to get a job because it would take away their food stamps. Yet they would be adding $1,000 to their household when it's just two adults and a baby who is already getting their food from WIC (Women Infants and Children).

 

[jemberly_ann]

im pro-life all the way!

GO MCCAIN!

 

[chisnpeke]

Where is your proof that people who can't afford to pay taxes aren't paying because they are to lazy to get a job or work hard for their job? Because..most people I know or have seen, work very hard at their job so they can afford the necessities of life.

Your taxes don't go to pay for your own family. So why is it such a big deal to you that the government is helping out people who don't make so much money?

Do you have proof that they aren't? Not everyone is like that, but a good amount of them are.

It's a big deal to me because my taxes will go up! That is what I am upset about. It's hard enough to pay for my own things that I need, I don't think it's fair that I should be helping people who are capable of helping themselves but just refuse to.

I am not talking about people who have circumstances which prevent them from working. I'm talking about people who refuse to work and getting a handout would only promote their idea that the government is always gonna be there to bail them out.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Prison is necessary. School is necessary. Some government assistance programs are necessary. Handouts are not.

I know people who qualify for food stamps right now but don't want to get a job because it would take away their food stamps. Yet they would be adding $1,000 to their household when it's just two adults and a baby who is already getting their food from WIC (Women Infants and Children).

Is it really necessary for those on death row to have tv's in there prison cell? Those people made a choice to be where they are...THEY did something, and you have to pay for it. I'd be pretty upset with THAT.

Do you know they reason why they don't want jobs and just want to live off their food stamps? =/

 

[chisnpeke]

I understand and I completely agree with you. I think we should have stricter investigations for those who truly need it. For those who truly need it, I have no probelm with giving them incentives to pick up their life.

YES! This is what I've been trying to say. People who need help I have NO PROBLEM helping. I help them by paying into government programs already in place. I DO have a problem "helping" people who are fully capable of helping themselves but just flat out refuse.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

Do you have proof that they aren't? Not everyone is like that, but a good amount of them are.

It's a big deal to me because my taxes will go up! That is what I am upset about. It's hard enough to pay for my own things that I need, I don't think it's fair that I should be helping people who are capable of helping themselves but just refuse to.

I am not talking about people who have circumstances which prevent them from working. I'm talking about people who refuse to work and getting a handout would only promote their idea that the government is always gonna be there to bail them out.

Not everyone is lazy and doesn't just not work to their potential to feed their famalies.

If you make money above a certain amount that they are saying, then I agree your taxes should go up. Why should someone who's making $100,000 pay the same taxes as someone making $40,000? If you make more money and want a better healthcare then those who can't afford it, then prepare to pay higher taxes. If you don't like that the government is helping people so we don't become a third-world country with a ton of homeless people then I'm sorry. Life isn't fair, and I'm sure most of the people who can't even afford to pay taxes know that.

Now I agree though with you about lazy people. If people are just mouching off the government because they don't feel like working, then thats not right..but for those who do work and work their best but aren't getting anyway, I feel as though they should be given a handout until they are able to go on welfare or food stamps.

 

[chisnpeke]

Is it really necessary for those on death row to have tv's in there prison cell? Those people made a choice to be where they are...THEY did something, and you have to pay for it. I'd be pretty upset with THAT.

Do you know they reason why they don't want jobs and just want to live off their food stamps? =/

It's still not a government handout. I am benefitting from them being in prison because it helps to keep me safe. I'd actually rather have them in prison for life than have had a death penalty trial because a death penalty is ALWAYS more expensive than putting someone in prison for life.

They don't want a job because there is an excuse for everything and everyplace I suggest they work. They won't get to see their boyfriend as much. I've had it said to me to my face. You do what you need to do to get by and they are refusing to because it's not "convenient" or fun or easy for them. Working isn't the best thing but you do it because you have to.

 

[chisnpeke]

Not everyone is lazy and doesn't just not work to their potential to feed their famalies.

If you make money above a certain amount that they are saying, then I agree your taxes should go up. Why should someone who's making $100,000 pay the same taxes as someone making $40,000? If you make more money and want a better healthcare then those who can't afford it, then prepare to pay higher taxes. If you don't like that the government is helping people so we don't become a third-world country with a ton of homeless people then I'm sorry. Life isn't fair, and I'm sure most of the people who can't even afford to pay taxes know that.

Now I agree though with you about lazy people. If people are just mouching off the government because they don't feel like working, then thats not right..but for those who do work and work their best but aren't getting anyway, I feel as though they should be given a handout until they are able to go on welfare or food stamps.

There is no way we are even close to being a third world country. We are by far the most wealthy country this world has ever seen and I do not believe are going to be overtaken anytime soon. People continue to flock here because the opportunities are so great. No other country can hold that claim.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

It's still not a government handout. I am benefitting from them being in prison because it helps to keep me safe. I'd actually rather have them in prison for life than have had a death penalty trial because a death penalty is ALWAYS more expensive than putting someone in prison for life.

They don't want a job because there is an excuse for everything and everyplace I suggest they work. They won't get to see their boyfriend as much. I've had it said to me to my face. You do what you need to do to get by and they are refusing to because it's not "convenient" or fun or easy for them. Working isn't the best thing but you do it because you have to.

Lol..I know prison is benefitting all of us! But I mean...if you have a life sentence, we shouldnt have to pay taxes so they can watch tv or have a tv in their cell...

Oh..well in that case, I agree with you. Like I said in my post before, I agree with you on the laziness, but people who are truly not able to afford it and have a job, then I think they should get the handout.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

There is no way we are even close to being a third world country. We are by far the most wealthy country this world has ever seen and I do not believe are going to be overtaken anytime soon. People continue to flock here because the opportunities are so great. No other country can hold that claim.

Sure...but do you really want to live in a nation where there are more homeless and poverty struck people then there are people who can afford there homes?

 

[imabrat]

Okay, I think we're all on the same page here.

Help for those who genuinely need it, not for those who are too lazy.

 

[chisnpeke]

Sure...but do you really want to live in a nation where there are more homeless and poverty struck people then there are people who can afford there homes?

No, I don't want to live in a nation like that. But I don't think we are going to have more homeless than people in homes. If it happens, I'll change my stance.

 

[chisnpeke]

Okay, I think we're all on the same page here.

Help for those who genuinely need it, not for those who are too lazy.

Yes! It just took a while and lots of typing to get to the same page.

 

[chisnpeke]

Lol..I know prison is benefitting all of us! But I mean...if you have a life sentence, we shouldnt have to pay taxes so they can watch tv or have a tv in their cell...

Oh..well in that case, I agree with you. Like I said in my post before, I agree with you on the laziness, but people who are truly not able to afford it and have a job, then I think they should get the handout.

I agree. I don't think people in prison should have tvs, especially the horrible offenders. But I still feel them being in prison is more beneficial to society so I'm not going to complain as long as they are there.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

I agree. I don't think people in prison should have tvs, especially the horrible offenders. But I still feel them being in prison is more beneficial to society so I'm not going to complain as long as they are there.

I agree. Prison is definitely beneficial..the tv's however, are not!

I'm glad we are all on the same page. I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway.

 

[chisnpeke]

I agree. Prison is definitely beneficial..the tv's however, are not!

I'm glad we are all on the same page. I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway.

Oh no you didn't offend me! I don't get offended easily. I like spirited discussions!