Pregnant women, kids and busses...

[Cheese & Quackers]

Hello evryone Shellebelle's atttude-lippy teenager here
Mom wouldn't let me write what I wanted to say back to AllyCatTapia I'm laughing because mom would not take any crap from me even if I tried it .
Believe you me my job is to slave for the women (appreciative or not) at my home whether they be mom, sisters, grandmas, aunts, cousins, or complete strangers. I expect that it will only get harder when I have my own wife and kids. I'm just trying to help people who might need it and that's not just women. I am proud of my family that they teach me good manners and how to help others (even if it is a pain) and I plan to teach my kids the same.

Oh, and AllyCatTapia I would still hold the door for you anyway.

 

[robinb]

BTW--It was pointed out to me in another thread on the Dis earlier this week that car seat laws DO apply to cabs in the State of FL. But many cabs carry them and if they don't will be willing to radio for a cab that does.

Just FYI.

Anne

Thanks Anne. I stand corrected.

 

[robinb]

Hello evryone Shellebelle's atttude-lippy teenager here
Mom wouldn't let me write what I wanted to say back to AllyCatTapia I'm laughing because mom would not take any crap from me even if I tried it .

Sorry, but I thought your first remark about not all women being "ladies" as lippy and snarky and then you follow it up with this remark which is the same. If you are holding a door for women as a sign of respect, then I think you must also respect when they do not want you to hold the door.

 

[Downrivermama]

Cheese & Quakers, some of us appreciate young men like you. I was taught to be polite and use manners. Keep up the good work. Your mom has to be very proud of you!

I am now a mom with dd8 and it is tough to teach your children manners, when all around you adults are not using thiers! I always say thank you when a man opens a door for me. Sometimes they give me a funny look, as if not too many people say thank you to them. Maybe they have run up against those women who are offended by people being kind.

My only concern when on a WDW bus is that my dd can sit down, because she is not too steady standing. But we have wait for another bus sometimes when they are too crowded.

 

[DisneyPhD]

Ok I just have to weight in on the not all women are ladies comment. I think it was funny, cute and very astute.
Just like not all men are gentlemen. However I think that Shellebelle's son is being raised to be one and I for one appreciate that.

Oh and my personal vote is that it is rude to let a pregnant women, anyone holding a young child or elderly person, stand when a able bodied person with out a child is sitting. If your 2 year old doesn't want to share you tell them you can have your own seat if no one is standing. If someone is standing you share with me, and then you distract them. Heck you are on your way to MK or some other magical place, talk about that, pull a toy out of your bag, sing a song.

Just goes to show that no mater what you say, someone on the dis is going to get their panties in a twist!

 

[beattyfamily]

Hello evryone Shellebelle's atttude-lippy teenager here
Mom wouldn't let me write what I wanted to say back to AllyCatTapia I'm laughing because mom would not take any crap from me even if I tried it .
Believe you me my job is to slave for the women (appreciative or not) at my home whether they be mom, sisters, grandmas, aunts, cousins, or complete strangers. I expect that it will only get harder when I have my own wife and kids. I'm just trying to help people who might need it and that's not just women. I am proud of my family that they teach me good manners and how to help others (even if it is a pain) and I plan to teach my kids the same.

Oh, and AllyCatTapia I would still hold the door for you anyway.

Its great to hear that your mom is teaching you manners and respect. Don't let anyone here make you feel bad!

 

[noodleknitter]

Hello evryone Shellebelle's atttude-lippy teenager here
Mom wouldn't let me write what I wanted to say back to AllyCatTapia I'm laughing because mom would not take any crap from me even if I tried it .
Believe you me my job is to slave for the women (appreciative or not) at my home whether they be mom, sisters, grandmas, aunts, cousins, or complete strangers. I expect that it will only get harder when I have my own wife and kids. I'm just trying to help people who might need it and that's not just women. I am proud of my family that they teach me good manners and how to help others (even if it is a pain) and I plan to teach my kids the same.

Oh, and AllyCatTapia I would still hold the door for you anyway.

Watch out, she'd probably backhand you! You would think an allegedly educated adult woman would be able to deal with the world and a young man attempting to be polite in a more appropriate manner. Some people are looking for an enemy where there is none. Sorry you got hit by it!

Good luck as a young man in today's society!

 

[akelly]

Hello evryone Shellebelle's atttude-lippy teenager here
Mom wouldn't let me write what I wanted to say back to AllyCatTapia I'm laughing because mom would not take any crap from me even if I tried it .
Believe you me my job is to slave for the women (appreciative or not) at my home whether they be mom, sisters, grandmas, aunts, cousins, or complete strangers. I expect that it will only get harder when I have my own wife and kids. I'm just trying to help people who might need it and that's not just women. I am proud of my family that they teach me good manners and how to help others (even if it is a pain) and I plan to teach my kids the same.

Oh, and AllyCatTapia I would still hold the door for you anyway.

Whenever we have a young man hold a door for us, see one give up a seat to someone who needs it, etc. I say to my daughters, "That's a quality you want to look for when deciding who to date. I'm also always sure to remind my daughters of why their father is always quick to give up his seat on the WDW bus - he is polite and considerate. Again, a great character trait to look for in a future husband. It always warms my heart to see someone give up their seat.

Whether someone expects to get a seat on a crowded bus is irrelevant. I couldn't live with myself if an older person, pregnant person, child, or anyone else who needed my seat more than me was left standing. I really don't care if someone planned well or not - nobody's perfect. This thread is quite depressing!

Cheese & Quackers, keep being a gentleman. I hope when my girls start dating that they come across nice young men like you!

 

[sara74]

Yikes! This thread got mean faster than a Poly-poolhopping-reusable-mug-misusing-the-dining-plan-six-people-in-a-value-room-thread ever could!

Since my 4 year old is a girl and my two year old son is still mostly in my arms, the opening doors/giving up seats thing is something we have only discussed with the 4 year old. And we're teaching her to be polite to everyone. That means that if someone is relatively close to the door when we go into the YMCA, we hold the door for them. If someone can't reach something, we try to help them. If someone is less able bodiedthan us, we help them if we can. That includes pregnancy. Yep, I'm starting my 8th month of my third pregnancy today and while I wouldn't EXPECT someone to do anything for me, if they offer - I accept or decline graciously, depending on how much I could use the help, not on whether the offer comes from a man or woman.

I don't believe pregnancy is a disability either. But it is a condition that can render one less able to do things as easily as they could if they were not pregnant. And if opening a door or offering a seat, on a bus bench or other place is a possibility I will teach all my children, male or female, to do just that. It's a nice thing to do, not a necessary thing. But I think the world could use people doing more nice things for each other.

 

[sara74]

And name calling against fellow Disers children isn't very nice. IMHO.

 

[Cheese & Quackers]

My mom said my previous post was too rude so I had to delete it

 

[my4kids]

I have never said I wouldn't offer my seat to anyone else. I do it all the time. I rarely ever sit on the WDW buses. I wait for another bus for my mom to have a seat because she truly needs one. I am a heallthy female in my 40s and it isn't going to kill me to stand another 20 minutes after walking all day in the parks. I might be tired when I board the WDW bus but I would never sit there while there are those that look to be more tired then I are are standing. I give up my seat to elderly folks, parents with little kids, that goes for dads holding babies too, and yes, even the occasional pregnant woman. What I am saying is that I think anyone expecting such a courtesy and then getting pissy when they don't get it are the rude ones. Even those of you thinking nasty thoughts on the inside. What did their parents teach them? Sounds like they are a little spoiled if you ask me. Doing an act of kindness is still a choice. I don't think bad of anyone if they chose not to do an act of kindness. If someone needs a seat that bad they can do what we do. It is an option whether one wants to admit it or not. If I can wait for another bus with a 70 y/o lady then I'm sure a parent with a baby or two can do it with no problems. The only ME ME ME going on in this thread are the ones that expect a seat for themselves because they think they are more special then the rest of us.

I am still trying to figure out what your beef is. So you don't mind giving up your seat. You just want to be the thought control police and tell me what I can think even if I am not so much as looking at someone? and as someone stated before, apparently you have never stayed at ASMo, where we were staying, because it is the last bus stop after the other all stars and RARELY does any bus arrive that is not already full. You can stand there for 4 hrs and not find a seat on a bus. My money is as green as anyone elses that I am paying for staying onsite, why should I have to pay for a taxi? I don't think I am more special than you, I just have a different set of manners....wait, am I allowed to think that?

 

[DaisyD]

I am still trying to figure out what your beef is. So you don't mind giving up your seat. You just want to be the thought control police and tell me what I can think even if I am not so much as looking at someone? and as someone stated before, apparently you have never stayed at ASMo, where we were staying, because it is the last bus stop after the other all stars and RARELY does any bus arrive that is not already full. You can stand there for 4 hrs and not find a seat on a bus. My money is as green as anyone elses that I am paying for staying onsite, why should I have to pay for a taxi? I don't think I am more special than you, I just have a different set of manners....wait, am I allowed to think that?

My beef is that some posters think it is rude that someone doesn't give up there seat for them. They are the ones that think they are special. While it is nice to give up a seat, I do it all the time, I don't think it is wrong or not nice, if an able bodied person doesn't want to give up a seat. I would never think badly of someone that chose not to give up a seat if it is rightfully their seat. This me me me entitlement gets a little old. The only ones that are rude are not the ones that have chosen to keep the seat they rightfully got but the ones that think it should be theirs. Manners go both ways.

 

[ducklite]

I am still trying to figure out what your beef is. So you don't mind giving up your seat. You just want to be the thought control police and tell me what I can think even if I am not so much as looking at someone? and as someone stated before, apparently you have never stayed at ASMo, where we were staying, because it is the last bus stop after the other all stars and RARELY does any bus arrive that is not already full. You can stand there for 4 hrs and not find a seat on a bus. My money is as green as anyone elses that I am paying for staying onsite, why should I have to pay for a taxi? I don't think I am more special than you, I just have a different set of manners....wait, am I allowed to think that?

And with this knowledge if you continue to stay at that hotel, you've got no one to blame but yourself.

That said, you DO have the option of going to and from the parks at more off peak times when there will be seats on the bus.

Anne

 

[DisneyPhD]

apparently you have never stayed at ASMo, where we were staying, because it is the last bus stop after the other all stars and RARELY does any bus arrive that is not already full. You can stand there for 4 hrs and not find a seat on a bus.

Not just All stars. I have never stayed at a value resort, but the same holds true for OKW, SSR, PORS (and FQ when they share busses) basicly any resort that has more then one stop. Often Deluxes share busses so it can arive at the resort almost full. So if knowing that, the only real resort you can safely stay at with out this problem is AKL (since it doesn't share a bus with any other resort and only has one stop.)

ducklite, you offered a lot of advice for the busses, that sounds good on paper, (waiting for another bus, taking a taxi, telling someone to call a bus for you,) but just isn't he case in real life. Sometimes the bus system at WDW just isn't that easy. Sometimes it is great, but it is hit or miss and you win some, you lose some.

 

[DaisyD]

Not just All stars. I have never stayed at a value resort, but the same holds true for OKW, SSR, PORS (and FQ when they share busses) basicly any resort that has more then one stop. Often Deluxes share busses so it can arive at the resort almost full. So if knowing that, the only real resort you can safely stay at with out this problem is AKL (since it doesn't share a bus with any other resort and only has one stop.)

ducklite, you offered a lot of advice for the busses, that sounds good on paper, (waiting for another bus, taking a taxi, telling someone to call a bus for you,) but just isn't he case in real life. Sometimes the bus system at WDW just isn't that easy. Sometimes it is great, but it is hit or miss and you win some, you lose some.

How is taking a taxi only looking good on paper? There are taxis everywhere outside of the resorts and parks just waiting for people. We take taxis a lot at WDW and have never had a problem finding one. The reason some don't like taxis is that it is going to cost a few bucks. Well if one wants a seat that bad then they are going to have to pony up the money to do it. As far as waiting for another bus I have stayed at the WL, Poly, AKL, and CBR. We have used the Allstars bus once to get somewhere but we have never stayed there. We have never had a problem with waiting for a bus. After more then 15 trips onsite and using bus transportation every time I can say from experience that waiting for another bus gets you a seat. We have had to wait for two buses one time in all those years but it was no big deal.

 

[DisneyPhD]

How is taking a taxi only looking good on paper? There are taxis everywhere outside of the resorts and parks just waiting for people. We take taxis a lot at WDW and have never had a problem finding one. The reason some don't like taxis is that it is going to cost a few bucks. Well if one wants a seat that bad then they are going to have to pony up the money to do it. As far as waiting for another bus I have stayed at the WL, Poly, AKL, and CBR. We have used the Allstars bus once to get somewhere but we have never stayed there. We have never had a problem with waiting for a bus. After more then 15 trips onsite and using bus transportation every time I can say from experience that waiting for another bus gets you a seat. We have had to wait for two buses one time in all those years but it was no big deal.

I have never tried to take a taxi. As I have stated in this thread in order to avoid the long stand home (or even if you are in a seat, normally is it so cramped and uncomfortable) we have been taking our car to parks when we can. However that isn't always an option for us, or everyone for that mater. Nor is taking a taxi for most people.

People on this thread have stated that taking a taxi did't work for them. I can't remember who, but they said a taxi driver refused them once, because he didn't have car seats. Sometimes peoples groups are too big for a taxi. It isn't a one size fits all answer.

I know myself personally that we waited one morning at OKW for a bus to AK for well over an hour. Part of the problem was the busses skipped the last stop because they were full (no standing room even) and just went past the stop. There was a CM there, calling fora new bus. It NEVER came (or at least it took over an hour for it to come.) Now this was just once instance, but over all the whole buss experince was bad. The thing is it isn't always as simple as your suggestions. Sure they might sound good on paper, might sometimes even be a good idea, but not always. Not all the time and in most cases they aren't. Once at SSR a bus pulled up. It was full before we could get on. We did just wait for the next one, it was there in 5 min and there was maybe 10 people on the whle bus. That time it worked. Many times it doesn't. It just isn't as easy as you make it sound.

 

[disneychrista]

Personally I think it is unsafe for ANYONE to be standing on the bus and couldn't believe that this was acceptable.

 

[robinb]

Nevermind ...

 

[my4kids]

Alright, we could debate this til the cows come home. You all just continue to do what ever you think is the right moral choice. I will continue give my seat to anyone I think needs it more than me, without first deciding in my head that person is in a bad position because of thier own poor planning, bad choice of hotel, reluctance to wait for a bus, bad choice of time to leave the park etc. I will continue to not question others choices or senses of entitlement before I am kind to them. I will also continue to stay where my family wants to and take busses not taxis. If my child is asleep and I am struggling to hold a bus strap and there is an obviously able bodied young man (or person) watching me I will continue to excercise my free thought and think that they were raised in a barn, even though I boarded the bus not expecting anyone to automatically give me their seat. I just don't want to debate this anymore, I'm already depressed by the whole thing. Justify your stance anyway you want - I just think it is odd that we are allowed to judge the strugglers who decided to board a bus and decide it is their own fault, but we are not allowed to judge the people sitting on the bus who can easily stand to help a fellow human, but choose not to.