POT (Proof of Time) Race Equivalency Cutoff Confirmed Times

DopeyBadger

Imagathoner
Joined
Oct 15, 2015
These POT rules are soooo confusing! I had thought based on the original language that I just had to show a POT for a HM under 2 hrs, but now it seems like my 1:54 half isn't good for much since it's a minute slower than the number rD came up with? Trying not to be bitter about club rD taking over corral C....
I get it, but it's not a new thing. The cutoffs used to be 2:45 HM equivalent and 5:30 M equivalent. A 5:30 marathon converted to a half marathon using their calculation is a 2:36:30. So to submit a marathon POT you had to be faster than the cutoff they were using for if you were running a half marathon solo event. Same thing when it was 2:30/5:00 and the 5:00 hr marathon equaled a 2:21:52.

You're so close. There isn't a 10 mile or HM before Sept 30th that you couldn't squeeze an extra 15 seconds off (1:23:45)? If not, like @MissLiss279 said, if I were in your shoes I'd submit it.
 

Blanchey

Earning My Ears
Joined
Nov 27, 2020
has anyone got any experience entering a POT being outside the US.

I notice that some of the fields RunDisney ask you to complete include State. Being a UK runner this wont be a field i cant enter any details into this (Possibly county, but if its a drop down/select box then that wont be possible)

im just wondering if you select which country you wish to submit a time from if the fields change?

I know when ive emailed RunDisney before im forced to complete a US address before it allows me submit my email query (I just use the address of the magic kingdom)

I have a 1:42 POT from November 2019 from UK race and just want to know if i should be expecting issues trying to enter this.

TIA!
I submitted a Tokyo marathon POT for W&D and didn’t have any issues. It asks for ‘RACE CITY, STATE AND COUNTRY FOR PROOF OF TIME’ but it’s a typed field rather than a drop down so I just used city & country 👍🏼
 

fatmanatee

DIS Veteran
Joined
Jul 25, 2017
This might be a weird question but is there an easy way to find USATF certified races for POT? I'm having a hard time finding any info, which is weird because I live near NYC. Def have a shot at making it in one of the half marathon corrals via a 10k race but incredibly, NYRR isn't doing any 10ks this year and I don't see any indication that NYCRUNS races can be used for POT purposes.
 

DopeyBadger

Imagathoner
Joined
Oct 15, 2015
This might be a weird question but is there an easy way to find USATF certified races for POT? I'm having a hard time finding any info, which is weird because I live near NYC. Def have a shot at making it in one of the half marathon corrals via a 10k race but incredibly, NYRR isn't doing any 10ks this year and I don't see any indication that NYCRUNS races can be used for POT purposes.
Don't worry about the USATF certified races part. In the past, many people have used non-USATF certified course races for POT. It just needs to be an official race with results posted online. Could they suddenly change their tune and focus on only USATF certified races? Maybe. But that sure would be a pickle for international runners.

But this link might help (link).
 

MissLiss279

DIS Veteran
Joined
Jul 10, 2015
This might be a weird question but is there an easy way to find USATF certified races for POT? I'm having a hard time finding any info, which is weird because I live near NYC. Def have a shot at making it in one of the half marathon corrals via a 10k race but incredibly, NYRR isn't doing any 10ks this year and I don't see any indication that NYCRUNS races can be used for POT purposes.
I would probably start here:
RunningInTheUSA

And then use the link @DopeyBadger provided to check if it is officially certified (if you really want to verify its certification).
 

DopeyBadger

Imagathoner
Joined
Oct 15, 2015
Here's a post from when someone reached out to runDisney in Dec 2019 (link)

Thank you for reaching out. As long as the event was officially timed, has official results (which you have provided), and was accurately measured then you would be all set. All you would have to do is enter your proof into your registration prior to the deadline which is January 21, 2020 for the Star Wars Rival Run Weekend. We provided steps below to assist you. Please note that once the deadline passes, no updates will be accepted.

Instead of "USATF certified" they use the language of "accurately measured". To me, that means that runDisney would then have to verify whether or not each non-USATF certified course was/was not accurately measured for the purpose of accepting POT. I'd venture to guess that's not worth their time. Officially timed, and official online results from a real race. I have yet to read of someone submitting a non-USATF POT being denied (or placed in the last corral). Again, doesn't mean it won't happen moving forward, only that to my knowledge has not happened in the past.
 

fatmanatee

DIS Veteran
Joined
Jul 25, 2017
Here's a post from when someone reached out to runDisney in Dec 2019 (link)

Thank you for reaching out. As long as the event was officially timed, has official results (which you have provided), and was accurately measured then you would be all set. All you would have to do is enter your proof into your registration prior to the deadline which is January 21, 2020 for the Star Wars Rival Run Weekend. We provided steps below to assist you. Please note that once the deadline passes, no updates will be accepted.

Instead of "USATF certified" they use the language of "accurately measured". To me, that means that runDisney would then have to verify whether or not each non-USATF certified course was/was not accurately measured for the purpose of accepting POT. I'd venture to guess that's not worth their time. Officially timed, and official online results from a real race. I have yet to read of someone submitting a non-USATF POT being denied (or placed in the last corral). Again, doesn't mean it won't happen moving forward, only that to my knowledge has not happened in the past.
Ok that makes me feel better about this. Thank you and @MissLiss279 as well!
 
  • Guidman

    Mouseketeer
    Joined
    Jan 10, 2019
    I actually reached out to TrackShack last week about it since the POT I was planning to use had an out-of-date certification (when I asked the race director about it, he basically said it’s a money grab on USATFs part).

    The response I got was:
    In regards to certification, it just means the race adheres to USATF rules with one of them being that the course is accurately measured. So as long as it is accurately measured and the proof still follows the proof of time guidelines then you should be all set.
     

    GollyGadget

    DIS Veteran
    Joined
    Feb 15, 2017
    This might be a weird question but is there an easy way to find USATF certified races for POT? I'm having a hard time finding any info, which is weird because I live near NYC. Def have a shot at making it in one of the half marathon corrals via a 10k race but incredibly, NYRR isn't doing any 10ks this year and I don't see any indication that NYCRUNS races can be used for POT purposes.
    I've been stressing about this as well for a few weeks. There are no USATF certified races of the allowable distances nearby before the cutoff date. However, I have successfully used a non USATF certified race in the past and was placed appropriately in Corral B. This was in 2017 before they mentioned USATF on the runDisney site, hence my new nerves.

    As mentioned, it would really make it difficult for any international runners if they were strict about USATF. I also find it hard to believe that they're checking for USATF certification on all the POTs. It's difficult enough to believe that they're clicking all the links people provide as proof, but to do another check to see that the course was certified would be very tedious and not worth their time.
     

    GreatLakes

    DIS Veteran
    Joined
    Aug 6, 2015
    One more avenue to ensure the race you are running meets the requirements for certification is look for a Boston qualifier. If you are running a half that is part of a full that is a Boston qualifier I'm certain the course will meet runDisney POT requirements.
     


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