Points that sound too good to be true

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BossBrody

Thank you for informing us about this scam artist !

i also posted to his post and he posted back for me to call him, but i didnt,he seemed alittle eager. then at a later date i email him and asked if he would take $5 a point i needed 64 points. he emailed me back, and basicaly told me No Way ! that same day ms called me and said my waitlist came through for my dates i needed.

i was also trying to figure out why he went from renting a small amount of points to a larger amount of points.

and i also noticed evrytime someone would ask him when they expired, he wouldnt answer the question.

i am very sorry that this happened to you, i hope that you get your money back or your ressies.

im glad your still taking your children to disney world after what just happened. and i wish i had more points available to donate to you for a night !
please let us know what happened.
best of luck to you and your family

 

[BossBrody]

Thanks for the kind words folks.

Eases the pain a bit, although not as much as a Rum & Coke!

I'm not looking for any handouts or gimmes (my money back would be nice though!)I made the mistake and must live with it. Maybe I'm a little wiser. Could happen.

My purpose with all this belly aching is that I just don't want anyone else to be taken by this individual.

That's the part that burns. Im banned.....he's not.

So be careful everyone and heed Doc's advice!

 

[JOC]

Eases the pain a bit, although not as much as a Rum & Coke!

BossBrody,

Sorry this bad experience happened to you. I hope that it gets resolved to your satisfaction.

 

[TNMomof3]

Originally posted by Jen D
I understand why the Dis "can't get involved" but it is incredible to me that he is still on the boards selling and we can't warn people without getting banned. One of the great things about the Dis is that we look after eachother. Isn't there anything that can be done?

My thoughts exactly. IMO, he should not be able to continue to advertise these points here if there has been an accusation of it possibly being a scam.

Good luck, BossBrody. I hope you are able to get your money back.

 

[RichAyers]

that is what I am doing. the person in question on my rental returned half my money a few weeks ago after I sent a Demand Letter stating I was taking her to Court. I talked to her on the phone and she said she was going to send the rest...hasn't happened and the deadline has passed (7/25/03 per my letter to her) I know she received it because I sent it Delivery Confirmation. I am going to call her today again as a last resort and then we go to court. It will cost her even more to come to Illinois and fight it (she lives in Florida). If she doesn't show up, I win and can legally pursue a Collection action against her (report her to a Collection Agency and hurt her credit) etc.

we'll see what happens.

By the way, if anyone wants a rental contract template, I have one I borrowed from another website and modified it to my own purposes.

Rich Ayers

 

[floridafam]

You're right. If she doesn't show up in court she will probably have a default judgement issued against her for whatever she still owes you and court costs. This WILL go on her credit report and I'm sure she doesn't want a judgement on her credit report. That can be very bad.

I hope you also get everything worked out.

I will never rent my pts. I just think that there is too much room for everyone to get hurt. This is just my personal opinion. I know some people have had great success on both sides.

 

[JohnNJ]

Rich:

Be careful. She can countersue and force you to show up at her venue.

John

 

[floridafam]

What could she countersue him for?

Just curious.

 

[JohnNJ]

Originally posted by floridafam
What could she countersue him for?

Just curious.

Since when does someone need a reason to sue?

She could present a lot of false documents and get a judgement against him unless he was there to refute the information. She'd lose but he would still be out time and $$$.

 

[RobDoc]

While we do have a site policy against public discussion of board administrative decisions, suffice it so say there is another side to what has been presented here.

No one has been banned from the site (if that were the case- this thread couldn't have been posted), I have never used the words greedy in any correspondence and warnings were issued by email and PM about what had been posted- both on the Rent/Trade Board and on this one- repeatedly, to no avail.

It's very easy to take sides when only one side of the issue has been presented.

Apparently there are many here who feel a poster SHOULD be banned anytime someone disagrees with something they have posted?

 

[hulagirl]

I would definitely be interested in hearing the other side of the story. Perhaps the party in question would like to respond - I would think it would be in his best interest here given that many will now be very wary of renting from him. I'm sure no one meant any disrespect Webmaster Doc. I am quite certain you have your reasons for handling things the way you have. But these are things we all fear - renting requires a great deal of trust and it certainly seems as though it has been broken in this situation...

 

[BossBrody]

Doc is absolutely right about there being another side. It will always come down to what one person said vs. another.

I am presenting my side. My proof is simply my receipts for checks and receipts for the USPS express mail they were delivered in. I don't ask anyone to take my word blindly. I do think, however, others should be warned if someone does claim to have been cheated. They can look over the complaint and discuss it with the seller/buyer if they chose. They will ultimately decide for themselves if they like the deal or agreement.


I didn't get anything in writing and should have waited for the reservation before sending money as Doc advocates in the DVC FAQs.

I didn't say I was banned from this site. I was merely referencing the ban from the DVC trading board.

I was warned by email about the "attacks" on the Poster. I wasn't aware of the PM's. I have never used them until the past couple days. But the warnings were there as Doc said. Now I check them regularly of course.

Doc is also correct about never using the words greedy. I misquoted him and I apologize. His exact words were:

"In this case, I suspect that the lure of a bargain price has overshadowed common sense in the transaction."

Truer words were never spoken.

I have not asked for a ban. I think however a warning, or subtle reminder, of smart trading practices should be posted if questions or accusations arise concerning a particular buyer or seller. It's good for the entire board and members.

Once again heed Doc's advice

 

[rriley25]

I saw the posts in question. I'm naturally skeptical about these types of transactions and the price did seem "too good to be true". The poster renting points has many similar posts on the rent/trade board. One thing in common with them all are his lack of "on-board" responses to direct questions. That made me even more septical. I mean, why wouldn't you answer a question posed by a potential renter? I chose to by-pass his bait. Perhaps these points are legitimate, but their use is so limited as to make them nearly worthless? What's the dif? I don't know, but I do feel your pain BossBrody. It's too bad this type of deception goes on. Whereas The Dis may have policies in place to not involve themselves in such disputes, this situation has escalated beyond the norm. Perhaps a review of the policies or even an abolition of point rentals posts should be considered. As a previous point renter from the rent/trade board (successfully I might add), I would be saddened by its demise, but it's this type of dispute that could create the need to shut it down.

 

[Puffy2]

I don't want to "start" anything either and I certainly respect the DIS and the services offered here.

But I suppose I just don't understand why Boss Brody's comments about being "stiffed" were removed from the rent/trade board and the "reservation points renter's" post to sell the points is allowed to remain.

I'm glad that I have seen the "reservation points renters" name already so that I can avoid that person and any business with them.

I think it is a disservice to allow people to think that doing business with him would be ok.

Since there are two sides to a story, wouldn't it be better to allow Boss Brody to name the offender and let the offender respond? Not a hugh debate, but a one time shot as the facts as both sides see them?

Has the "reservation points renter" given a reason to the DIS about not making the reservation for Boss Brody? I realize that the DIS does not want to get involved in these transactions and shouldn't be asked to; it's just a shame that one person can ruin it for everyone.

Last time I rented points I didn't ask for references (this time I have), last time I was late to ask for something in writing (although I did get it after the fact) but this time I will ask for it up front. I guess we live and learn.

 

[sparkspeak]

It seems that a feedback system (similar to ebay's) for renters and rentees could be useful here. For now, we can reference registration date, number of posts and Doc's excellent advice.

 

[RobDoc]

I don't want to "start" anything either and I certainly respect the DIS and the services offered here.

But I suppose I just don't understand why Boss Brody's comments about being "stiffed" were removed from the rent/trade board and the "reservation points renter's" post to sell the points is allowed to remain.

I'm glad that I have seen the "reservation points renters" name already so that I can avoid that person and any business with them.

I think it is a disservice to allow people to think that doing business with him would be ok.

OK- As I already stated, administrative policy for this site will not be discussed on the open boards. If you have questions or concerns about the way the board is moderated, please contact WebmasterPete@wdwinfo.com or admin@wdwinfo.com .

Just a refresher: the Rent/Trade Board is NOT a discussion forum- thus any discussion should be directed to this forum. That has been the policy for a long time and isn't likely to change anytime soon. If anyone feels that needs to be changed, please contact Pete.

The warnings about Rent/Trade transactions are designed to forewarn everyone that we have no means to monitor these transactions and no desire to do so. "All transactions are between parties" means exactly that. It you are dissatisfied with any of the terms offered- don't agree to them or send any money. If you are dissatisfied with the speed at which someone responds to your needs, make sure you have protected yourself by paying with a credit card to have another entity to assist with retrieving your funds. These issues are covered in the FAQ provided- you are free to use these suggestions or not- it is your choice. There are also suggestions about escrow services that are generally unheeded.

As for posting warnings from disatisfied renters (or members), please feel free to warn others about the issues you are concerned about on this forum, but if you choose to single out an individual by name, it will be considered an attack and won't be tolerated. This is no different from any other forum on this site.

These points were corresponded last night and I was treated to a very rude and insulting email for my efforts. Even after a backhanded apology was received today, more attacks were posted both on this board and on the Rent/Trade Board- despite repeated written warnings.

Caveat Emptor !

 

[kathleena]

So sorry to the original poster for your situation.

I worked for a bank for many years and there were no stop payments on bank checks. This is a very common practice in banking. You could file an affidavit of forgery or loss, but you are signing, under a notary and all kinds of perjury statements in the form, that the information is true and that you will reimburse the bank if the check is presented. I do not advise doing that under false pretenses!

Back in June I rented out 45 points that were expiring (my add-on was less than 60 days out from UY Aug) and had wonderful success with two great people. Maybe we were all just naive and lucky, but there were no contracts involved with either. It was the first time for all three of us. I even borrowed an extra 11 points for one of them. Live and learn!

 

[ncligs]

BossBrody
Sorry to hear about you dilema . Its a shame that there are people in this USA that are like this

.
Maybe we should get a posse

of DVC members and go after this guy.
After we find him this would be to good for him........

.(Just kidding DOC )

P.S. I have never rented and have never rented out pts..........after this episode in the OP,I would be really leary to try it.

 

[RichAyers]

I am slightly burned about my reservation money still being tied up, I am fairly confident I will get it back. I hope she will do the right thing (call me naive ..........Even so, I had some extra points that were going to expire before I could use them and rented them out. I used a contract with this person and everything has gone great...I really think we are talking about a few bad apples.

I'm not going to let this ruin my 10 yr anniversary trip! I'm looking forward to it too much.

Rich Ayers

 

[BossBrody]

I also would hate to see the rentatl boards shut down.

My first experience with renting points was great. He was very professional and courteous.

I am now more informed and wary. Everything's a risk, nothing guaranteed, but I hope to rent points in the future in a more organized and safe manner.

I in no way am suggesting any type of retribution against the individual I have a dispute with. I just want people to be wary of him.

My insult to Doc was obviously a big mistake. Not very well thought out and simply a heat of the moment thing that I totally regret.

I posted a warning to others on the aforementioned person's Posting and was surprised to see it removed. I then read Doc's emailed explanation and was flabbergasted. I quickly emailed back something to the effect of :

"What are you getting a kick-back?"

It was a short sighted and heated reply that I honestly regret. Doc doesn't know what was agreed or not agreed upon by our two parties. I saw that when I calmed down. I now understand the Dis boards position on "personal attacks" and am trying abide by them like everyone else.

As far as the backhanded apology, that is simply not true. It was not backhanded or fake. It was sincere. I am sorry that he doesn't believe that to be true.

I'll step off my soapbox now. Good luck to all.

Be careful