Point Charts for AKL

[bpmorley]

Not what I heard in the parks at all. Everyone we spoke with stated that we could expect similar pre-sales discounts, etc. to past experiences. Initial buy-in will have to slightly higher than SSR, though I doubt it will be much. And I agree with others...there is no way there are thousands on the wait list.

Remember that the size of this resort (once complete) will be third largest...they can't price it too high or it will take forever to sell out. And due to its size, even if there are thousands on the list, it isn't going to sell out overnight.

As long as it's not drastically higher I'd be interested in a minimum contract.

 

[dianeschlicht]

As long as it's not drastically higher I'd be interested in a minimum contract.

That's where I'm at too.

 

[kdzgon]

There are >100,000 DVC owners, plus how many more that have taken the tour but not yet purchased - I don't think "thousands" on the list is so inconceivable, nor is it a "large" amount. Plus, people usually want to be "in", more so if it is something with at least the appearance of exclusivity. I also think if you have spoken with a guide - either if you already own or as a potential buyer - and even mention AKL, they will offer the fact that they are maintaining a "call" list (at least the truly effective salespeople would do so).

 

[kimpossible]

If only buying a 50 pt. add on, do you think it would be worth it. My guide yesterday, seemed to feel that I would be better off just buying the 50 pts. at the same resort we already own at, since 50 is not that much for a new resort.

Opinions?

 

[MILLZ]

I simply don't believe that there are thousands of people who have actually called guides to be put on a waiting list to purchase at Animal Kingdom. I hate when sales people make those exaggerated comments because it comes off as so "shady used car salesman."

IMHO, DVC just doesn't need that kind of salesperson. . .

Give the used car salesman reference a rest will ya not all bad. Plus dont be so narrow minded to think that there are not thousands on a list because there are currently over 100,000 members currently not to mention the ones that are not yet.Also many people on the so called list may not buy but they want info so there could easily be thousands on a list before making assumptions or lumping sales people into a category at least put some thought into it

of course its my humble opinion

Also the other thing that bothers me is that the same people complaining about these sales people would be the same people complaining if 10 minutes after they do have info and you didnt recieve a call you would be going nuts. I believe they are just trying to do there jobs effectively.

 

[lisaviolet]

If only buying a 50 pt. add on, do you think it would be worth it. My guide yesterday, seemed to feel that I would be better off just buying the 50 pts. at the same resort we already own at, since 50 is not that much for a new resort.

Opinions?

I don't agree with him/her. 50 points means a vacation at your new resort every two or three years with banking and/or borrowing.

I have 90 at BW for a specific 1 bedroom stay every other year. And I still have 60 points left after that trip.

So obviously a studio stay with banking/borrowing could be a good length and even a one bedroom stay every other/every third year is completely doable.

All the best,

Lisa

 

[lisaviolet]

Plus, I know you are not buying with selling in mind. But 50 points at a new/longer contract resort is a good investment if you needed/wanted to sell for any reason.

 

[3DisneyKids]

If only buying a 50 pt. add on, do you think it would be worth it. My guide yesterday, seemed to feel that I would be better off just buying the 50 pts. at the same resort we already own at, since 50 is not that much for a new resort.

Opinions?

I tend to think that a small 50 point contract will be fine with proper banking/borrowing, etc...AS LONG AS the point charts for AKV are not through the roof. Most of the speculation and consensus here is the the point values will be similar to BC/BWV/VWL and if that is the case, you can certainly have a nice vacation every three years at AKV with a 50-point contract.

That being said, I am not yet convinced that it will be necessary to have the 11-month booking option. AKV will be big, and thus booking at 7-months should be doable. Where it will be tricky is with the "specialty" villas that we have all been speculating about...concierge, 5-person 1 BRs, etc. Clearly, there will be a limited number of some of these. Once all details are announced, everyone will have to see if any of these are "must have" accommodations. If something is a "must have" for you AND it is something that is limited supply (like concierge) then I agree that the 11-month window will be necessary. Otherwise, I think the 7-month window will be adequate (other than the usualy premium weeks).

All of that being said, yes, we will do a small add-on as well! When we purchased, we knew that eventually we would add-on, so the add-on was planned from the get-go. That the add-on will be at AKV is a bonus!

 

[Dean]

So Dean -- you're only gonna have the cheese soup??

Not since Pat's buying. it's cheese soup and filet with cream cheese potatoes, will forego the dessert though.

If only buying a 50 pt. add on, do you think it would be worth it. My guide yesterday, seemed to feel that I would be better off just buying the 50 pts. at the same resort we already own at, since 50 is not that much for a new resort.

Opinions?

Sounds like a sales pitch to me.

 

[kimpossible]

Sounds like a sales pitch to me.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was wondering since BWV is actually more expensive to add on to then the new properties (with the addition of incentives).

 

[spiceycat]

So if you want a wager, I'm game. How about dinner for 2 at La Cellier. I'll take the side that says that the same type of unit will be the same points at VWL, BCV & BWV preferred. We'll throw out any units that are out of character such as concierge included or a separate sleep 5 category plus GV as there is little to compare other than the 7 at BWV. Up for a friendly wager Pat?

definitely, Dean!!!

BCV and VWL were not far apart. this is several years later. and the demand for the BCV, BWV - definitely has increased.

Now I might be wrong, as I was before. but I really think the AKV will be more - studio for studio.

a studio has to have a queen bed and sleeper sofa. Of course this will be a long time coming. these units won't be in the hotel - since those are surpose to be concierge. those are the first ones.

since DVC still hasn't announced the points chart - I think they are still deciding.

now even if one point more - which it could be - I win - correct?

I accept SSR to more than OKW - but not that much more. Standard view at BWV is cheaper point wise than SSR.

I though SSR would be in the more middle - like 9 or 10 points for studio - but it is 11 points.

So yes I really think DVC will increase the point costs for AKV. - we will see!

 

[spiceycat]

If only buying a 50 pt. add on, do you think it would be worth it. My guide yesterday, seemed to feel that I would be better off just buying the 50 pts. at the same resort we already own at, since 50 is not that much for a new resort.

Opinions?

I would plan to buy enough points for a studio for 5 nights in adventure and choice season (since they are the same).

if they are same as BWV, BCV, VWL that would be 60 points. if higher (and I think they will be) - 65 points.

dvc expects this to be very popular with DVC members. also with guests who aren't DVC members but love this resort.

 

[Dean]

definitely, Dean!!!

BCV and VWL were not far apart. this is several years later. and the demand for the BCV, BWV - definitely has increased.

Now I might be wrong, as I was before. but I really think the AKV will be more - studio for studio.

a studio has to have a queen bed and sleeper sofa. Of course this will be a long time coming. these units won't be in the hotel - since those are surpose to be concierge. those are the first ones.

since DVC still hasn't announced the points chart - I think they are still deciding.

now even if one point more - which it could be - I win - correct?

I accept SSR to more than OKW - but not that much more. Standard view at BWV is cheaper point wise than SSR.

I though SSR would be in the more middle - like 9 or 10 points for studio - but it is 11 points.

So yes I really think DVC will increase the point costs for AKV. - we will see!

OK we're on. We're looking for the principle of whether the same type units are the same number of points. Mostly comparing regular studio, 1 & 2 BR units. Units that are different in amenities in any major way will not be counted such as a significantly different 1 BR sleep 5 or anything with concierge. And if there is a difference between those in the main building vs those in the new construction, if either set matches my prediction, it goes to me. We'll throw out the 3 BR since there's so little to compare to as well as the BWV SV. And at least we don't have to wait more than a few months to know where we stand. It should be fun either way.

 

[dumbo71]

I'm with Dean. I'll take any wagers on this also, just pm.

Why would AKL be significantly higher points? The points will be very similiar to BCV IMO.

AKV will be the worst location on property. No direct ties to anything. Kind of on its own island. Even OKW, you can boat to DTD.

I'll admit, on first hearing about AKV, I was excited. After some deliberation I really belive this wil become viewed as the least desirable DVC resort to date.

Now, that could change ONLY if they incorporate a pool area like Stormalong Bay (Which isn't happening), or go back to the large room size like OKW (Which also won't hapen) or add monorail service there ( another NO). Those 3 things could help offset the location factor.

My ears are already ringing with complaints we will hear here on the DIS.

 

[Lexxiefern]

I'm with Dean on this one. I think the points will be the same as BCV, VWL and BWV preferred. I hope they do make non savannah views less points like BWV standard, but I am not holding my breath. I think it would be dumb if they don't, it will cause front desk a lot of headaches. They will probably make it like the Boardwalk view - same # of points, but priority goes to the owners at the 11 month window. We shall see.....

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Take this for whatever it's worth...
I was told that no decision has been made as of yet, but a comparable room at AKV will likely be LESS points than VWL, BCV, and BWV preffered.

MG

 

[Granny]

As I indicated on the poll thread about this topic, I think that the points will be the same as VWL/BCV/BWV-PV.

MG...I think it would be great if the point structure is lower but I have to think this might create a lot of demand at the 7 month window for this resort. On the other hand, that might be what they are wanting to do in order to ease the "pressure" on BWV and BCV (and VWL to a lesser extent) at the 7 month window?

Ultimately, I think it comes down to how Disney projects demand for this resort in the way of sales, and in the way of reservations. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.

 

[robinb]

Where it will be tricky is with the "specialty" villas that we have all been speculating about...concierge, 5-person 1 BRs, etc. Clearly, there will be a limited number of some of these.

Hmmm ... Sorry if this is OT. I missed the speculation about concierge at AKV. Do people think that the existing AKL concierge rooms will be updated to studios? Or will they remain the same hotel rooms ala the Deluxe Inn Rooms at VB? Do people think that the concierge lounge will remain open? That would be cool.

FWIW, I will be selling my OKW contract next year and we will probably be buying 75 points at AKV. I'm saving the rest of my sale proceeds for 75 points at CRV (crossing my fingers) so we can switch off resorts. Animal Kingdom is my DH's favorite resort and the Contemporary is mine.

I have another question, but I think I'll start a new thread for that one .

 

[Dean]

Take this for whatever it's worth...
I was told that no decision has been made as of yet, but a comparable room at AKV will likely be LESS points than VWL, BCV, and BWV preffered.

MG

Given that the resort is very similar in many ways to VWL, I doubt that will happen. I thought it would be lower for AKL and it was the same. I'll give you lower and take the same or higher if you want the same wager.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Given that the resort is very similar in many ways to VWL, I doubt that will happen. I thought it would be lower for AKL and it was the same. I'll give you lower and take the same or higher if you want the same wager.

Holy smokes! All I said was, "Take this for whatever it's worth..." Now you want to wager that it's not true??

What do you mean by "I thought it would be lower for AKL and it was the same." ?

MG