Point Charts for AKL

[Maistre Gracey]

As I stated, one has to look at the entire package. We'll have to agree to disagree I think and that's OK. Interesting that I really like VWL and the WL but still feel it's less deluxe overall.

Yes, I agree to agree to disagree...

On a side note, if a new comer were to walk into the BC, then walk into the WL, there would be no question as to which they thought was more deluxe.
This is certainly not a slam on BC. I think I will enjoy staying at BCV if I can pull myself away from VWL (and soon AKV).
It's just that BC doesn't have the grandeur that WL has. The lobby area of BC looks a bit ordinary, albeit nice. The lobby area of YC looks rich, as a deluxe should. The lobby of BW also looks rich and deluxe, although personally I don't care for the theme.
None of them have the "WOW factor" like WL, with the possible exceptions of AKL and GF.

- Just my opinion. Hope I didn't stray too far from topic.

MG

 

[dumbo71]

Yes, I agree to agree to disagree...

On a side note, if a new comer were to walk into the BC, then walk into the WL, there would be no question as to which they thought was more deluxe.
This is certainly not a slam on BC. I think I will enjoy staying at BCV if I can pull myself away from VWL (and soon AKV).
It's just that BC doesn't have the grandeur that WL has. The lobby area of BC looks a bit ordinary, albeit nice. The lobby area of YC looks rich, as a deluxe should. The lobby of BW also looks rich and deluxe, although personally I don't care for the theme.
None of them have the "WOW factor" like WL, with the possible exceptions of AKL and GF.

- Just my opinion. Hope I didn't stray too far from topic.

MG

I agree with MG on this one.

For my money VWL is BY FAR the most impressive DVC Resort. The theme is incredible and the attention to detail is just tremendous.

BCV seems like a cookie cutter excuse for a Deluxe when compared to the other Deluxe Resorts. Looks like Disney to me, no apparent theming of any kind. No wow factor of any kind........ well except for the pool.

 

[Lewisc]

I am thinking that the original plans prior to completion had it listed as such but I am not certain, I know I've seen others on this board say they recall it as well.

I've read Disney was considering building WL as a moderate hotel. It was going to be a MK area, non-monorail, moderate hotel. I recall Disney changed its mind and decided to make WL as a less expensive deluxe hotel.

No wow factor of any kind........ well except for the pool.

Actually that's the point, the wow factor is the pool and the proximity to a theme park. BCV is almost as close to the entrance of EPCOT as it is to the lobby. None of the Disney hotels, including the GF, are even 4* hotels. They have some theming that makes them special.

 

[spiceycat]

Actually that's the point, the wow factor is the pool and the proximity to a theme park. BCV is almost as close to the entrance of EPCOT as it is to the lobby. None of the Disney hotels, including the GF, are even 4* hotels. They have some theming that makes them special.

hey they are too!!!

GF, Bc, Yc are 4 stars accordingly to AAA.

the Polyn, wl, akl are not because the people doing the rating hate dark hotels.

their are several other 4 stars in Orlando that I have big questions about their rating. now I do love the Renaissance but if it deserves a 4 star than so do the WDW resorts.

most of the rating are based on CM too. Disney has much better CM than most places.

Now back to the subject.

anyone have any ideals what is taking DVC so long to come out with a point chart for AKV?

what is taking so long?

 

[Lewisc]

AAA ratings are suspect. They have a check list of amenities and tend to consider value more than other rating service. The standard rooms in WL and AKL are smaller than other hotels. I wonder if that's one of the reasons they're rated lower.

This post lists the Mobil ratings.

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=14280500&postcount=19

Most people consider Mobil to be a better source of ratings than AAA.

That said you kind of make my point. Some posters think GF is a borderline 5* property. It's rated the same as most of the other Disney deluxe hotels and the same as many other off site properties.

Is there any reason to release a point chart before DVC has the offering documents prepared and is ready to start selling?

I'll agree with the other posters, I can't see the point chart being much higher than other properties, unless Disney decides to do something like having most (all?) of the one bedroom units sleep 5 or including some type of concierge service. Significantly higher points will result in AK DVC owners booking in other resorts, maybe after they've stayed at their home resort a few times.

hey they are too!!!

GF, Bc, Yc are 4 stars accordingly to AAA.

the Polyn, wl, akl are not because the people doing the rating hate dark hotels.

their are several other 4 stars in Orlando that I have big questions about their rating. now I do love the Renaissance but if it deserves a 4 star than so do the WDW resorts.

most of the rating are based on CM too. Disney has much better CM than most places.

Now back to the subject.

anyone have any ideals what is taking DVC so long to come out with a point chart for AKV?

what is taking so long?

 

[spiceycat]

Is there any reason to release a point chart before DVC has the offering documents prepared and is ready to start selling?

Yes!!! I want to know - NOW!!!

they did with BC - they released the information then start selling a little later.

don't remember about SSR - I wasn't interested in SSR.

besides dvc members need to start saving - how many more points will we have to buy to each {size} villa during [time].

you know you might be right. If the only studio that AKV has is the one for 5 - then you can't compare them.

but I though the 1-bedroom would be for 5 and the studio still for 4?

 

[Lewisc]

I don't think DVC has released any official information regarding AKL. My guess is they are still deciding pricing and point charts.

I'll speculate the only way DVC will have higher point requirements is if they offer more. Maybe all the one bedroom units will officially sleep 5 and require more points than other resorts. Maybe Disney will offer more amenities in the studios. Disney could certainly make the studios large enough to offer more kitchen facilities, a jacuzzi or even a washer dryer. They could even set up the studios to sleep 5. That might also make it easier to justify higher sale prices.

you know you might be right. If the only studio that AKV has is the one for 5 - then you can't compare them.

but I though the 1-bedroom would be for 5 and the studio still for 4?

 

[kdzgon]

It seems there are a lot of people assuming AKL will be "more expensive" - is that just because it will be the newest one, or do many feel it will be because of "extreme desirability"?

Personally, my guess is this will be one of the more "extreme" sites, in that people mostly either love it or hate it (or at least have no interest in), just as seems to be the case with the AK park itself. If that is the case, I wouldn't expect it to carry an especially high premium but rather it will be marketed as "just one more choice", adding to the diversity of DVC.

 

[spiceycat]

DVC has always gone up in price before offering the new resort to the public.

DVC members generally can get it for the old price.

however the old price now is $101 not the $86 per point.

before DVC was announced the information that Tikiman posted says that the studios and villa would be bigger - don't remember if all or some.

DVC has long known about member request for 5 in a studio - for family of 5 - who really need a studio vs a 1-bedroom.

I think the 1-bedroom is also 5 (might be 6), and the 2-bedroom is 10 (might be more). This was also the first mention of the hotel DVC being conceirge. not the new building.

but the announcement that DVC posted only mentioned that AKV was going to happen - no real details.

 

[Dean]

DVC has always gone up in price before offering the new resort to the public.

Not exactly. If I recall correctly for the last 3 resorts, they announced a sales increase around the time they started selling effective for around the time of opening. New members had the chance to buy in at the old price but for a short period. Members had a slightly longer period at the lower price.

 

[spiceycat]

Dean that is what I mean to say. I just didn't word it correctly.

 

[3DisneyKids]

hey they are too!!!


Now back to the subject.

anyone have any ideals what is taking DVC so long to come out with a point chart for AKV?

what is taking so long?

Well, I have an idea...but that is all it is...my personal speculation....

DVC just announced the end date of the current promo (Friends and Family). This will end on Jan. 20. We know from DVC that AKV will start selling in "early spring of 2007" (I believe this was the wording).

Thus, my guess is that DVC will announce points and initial sales info. around Feb 1st. DVD will want to get those who getting in at the the last-minute for the SSR promo past the 10-day waiting period. So, I think the earliest it will be is Feb 1st. (They won't want a bunch of people bailing on SSR if AKV is announced before the SSR promor ends.)

So, I guess that we will begin hearing in early Feb., if not Feb 1st,

Also, the official statement says that AKV will be open for business in Fall of 2007. That could mean Sept. or it could mean early Dec--but either way, DVC knows that members plan their vacations well in advance. They won't want to drag it out too long if the opening is going to be in the fall. They'll have to give members at least 6 months advance time to plan.

My 2 cents for the day....

 

[LisaS]

Thus, my guess is that DVC will announce points and initial sales info. around Feb 1st. DVD will want to get those who getting in at the the last-minute for the SSR promo past the 10-day waiting period.

I think you're on to something here!

 

[Dean]

Well, I have an idea...but that is all it is...my personal speculation....

DVC just announced the end date of the current promo (Friends and Family). This will end on Jan. 20. We know from DVC that AKV will start selling in "early spring of 2007" (I believe this was the wording).

Thus, my guess is that DVC will announce points and initial sales info. around Feb 1st. DVD will want to get those who getting in at the the last-minute for the SSR promo past the 10-day waiting period. So, I think the earliest it will be is Feb 1st. (They won't want a bunch of people bailing on SSR if AKV is announced before the SSR promor ends.)

So, I guess that we will begin hearing in early Feb., if not Feb 1st,

Also, the official statement says that AKV will be open for business in Fall of 2007. That could mean Sept. or it could mean early Dec--but either way, DVC knows that members plan their vacations well in advance. They won't want to drag it out too long if the opening is going to be in the fall. They'll have to give members at least 6 months advance time to plan.

My 2 cents for the day....

This is c/w what I've posted in the past, Feb/March. I'd expect DVC to delay just long enough to get past the 10 day cancellation period if at all possible. DVC has a tendency to be on time or ahead of schedule on opening new resorts so I'm thinking by 1 Nov as that time starts to get a little busier than Sept.. I'm also thinking that both BCV and SSR were open earlier than announced, I don't recall about VWL. We shall see.

 

[gazeborob]

Just an FYI, I was told today that the points will be good till 2057.

 

[3DisneyKids]

Just an FYI, I was told today that the points will be good till 2057.

Yes, guides and MS were told this was the case and they have been passing this information on as fact since the day the announcement was made.

 

[kdzgon]

Yes, guides and MS were told this was the case and they have been passing this information on as fact since the day the announcement was made.

This seems strange to me (not doubting, just observing). The first 6 came on over a number of yrs, yet had the same expiration date. SSR was the first different expiration, and now AKL will have another? Any guesses as to why the change in expiration for a couple of yrs?

Makes me feel a little slighted if guides already had this info and denied it (I asked this specific Q and was told "same as SSR") - I almost feel as if by buying in at the tail end of SSR, I'm "losing" a couple of yrs., especially as AKL had been announced and (from what is being posted here) they knew of the diff. in yrs.

 

[spiceycat]

AKL located is a not so great area - heck you can't even walk to AK from it. so a new 50 years is probably a good thing for it.

they say awhile ago each new resort would be 50 years - but when and if they build CRV we will see.

I would think Disney would want that property back faster....

so do you think AKV will bcome the new honeymoon spot for dvcer and push VWL down....

 

[3DisneyKids]

I thought it was strange as well, since--as you said--the other resorts all have the same end date even though some were built several years later. However, if you look at the "Official AKV thread" (that is like 50+ pages long ) you will find that many people have been told about this new end date for AKV. This then begs the question...what about future DVC resorts? Will all resorts now just have an expiration date of 50 years after the resort opens, thus multiple resorts with multiple end dates??

 

[Granny]

I thought it was strange as well, since--as you said--the other resorts all have the same end date even though some were built several years later. However, if you look at the "Official AKV thread" (that is like 50+ pages long ) you will find that many people have been told about this new end date for AKV. This then begs the question...what about future DVC resorts? Will all resorts now just have an expiration date of 50 years after the resort opens, thus multiple resorts with multiple end dates??

3DisneyKids....I think this is a great question that probably deserves its own thread since this one is specifically about AKV point schedules. I was going to start one but since it's your question, thought you might want to go ahead and do that.