Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[bryaalre]

Apparently this is a tough concept for you to grasp but - Disney charging us more for stuff - is bad for us. That's it. That's the point.

And using logic like - everyone else does this thing that's bad for me, so disney should too - is so hilarious for being both ironic given what we tell our kids on a daily basis, and for demonstrating just how pathetic some of the Disney fandom are as consumers. Hey other parks don't offer a huge Fireworks show - guess disney should cut that too right ? Other parks don't have a castle either - guess disney should just knock that badboy down.

You guys are just about as bad as the "the magic is what you make of it" folks - the reason why disney keeps getting away with giving us less and less while charging more and more.

Apparently, based on all of your responses, you can’t grasp basic economics and have no idea what is good or bad for the consumer.

Your world would consist on paying for nothing and expecting everything to come free. Would it be nice if Disney kept fastpass free, obviously. But they aren’t and it’s not going back.

I can’t imagine you go to the movies anymore after they no longer do free refills on popcorn or soda (regal, not sure about other chains). Shopping must be difficult to find since most places have changed a lot of policies since their inceptions.

 

[Jeb2318]

Aaand we’re back to people with 10-14 day trips getting all of the tier 1 rides, making it useless for people with 7 day or shorter trips. It was one thing when it was free fastpass+, but why would anyone with a shorter trip pay that much for something that gives them pretty much zero chance at lightning lanes on any tier 1 rides? Maybe I’m missing something, but this seems to have all of the problems of fastpass+ with none of the positives. Not free, no mention of re-rides, the wording even makes it unclear if you can get more than a 4th LL:

• Once you’re in the park and you enjoy your first multi pass experience, you may be able to make an additional selection (subject to availability).

Ooh, we MAY be able to make AN additional selection. At least they say they will let you see what rides and times you can get before you buy, so I guess the good news is you don’t have to pay to be disappointed. You get to be disappointed for free.

Respectfully, if I’m paying for a 14 night stay, giving Disney all that extra money, I should be able to pick what I want for all the days of my stay.

 

[fatmanatee]

Think my biggest issue here involves ILL rather than MLL (?). Previously there’d be a mad rush for VQ spots, you could obviously buy a ILL right away but generally you could try VQ and then decide to buy ILL if you missed (or wait for next drop). Now it seems like more of a gamble: you can buy ILL or wait for VQ, but you may have missed your opportunity to get a ILL and then if you miss VQ, you might be out of luck? I guess it depends on how long ILL lasts, but seems like at this point they should really start thinking about ending VQ for Tron and maybe even Guardians. I guess we’ll see how this plays out.

 

[jelona]

Apparently, based on all of your responses, you can’t grasp basic economics and have no idea what is good or bad for the consumer.

Your world would consist on paying for nothing and expecting everything to come free. Would it be nice if Disney kept fastpass free, obviously. But they aren’t and it’s not going back.

I can’t imagine you go to the movies anymore after they no longer do free refills on popcorn or soda (regal, not sure about other chains). Shopping must be difficult to find since most places have changed a lot of policies since their inceptions.

i actually work in a very economic heavy industry and understand this concept well... I think the issue everyone is having is ... We're paying more for less. I get that is happening everywhere... and guess what... people are upset about it.

Do we go to the movies still? No ... why should i go to the movies when i can buy it at home now and get my popcorn cheaper. My hometown theater is actually struggling because of this. Maybe its not like this in your area... but i hardly see anyone at the theater anymore

"Shopping must be difficult to find" - yep... why you are seeing a lot of stores go out of business. I actually read an article today about a lot of forever 21s shutting down. Why should we go to Best Buy or Clothing stores when we can get it on Amazon/Shein for cheaper.

If they delievered high quality products for high quality prices... i think people would be willing to pay. The problem is people remember what they got for free or cheaper and are now getting an inferior product for much more. Thats why everyone is upset...

I'm gonna whine about Disney just like I will about my free refills getting taken away.

 

[jhop321]

Interesting. I am newly back to Disney these last few years after a 30 year hiatus, so i never experienced this FastPass+ system that we are going back too. This seems workable

But I am dissappointed about the loss of ride stacking, shucks! Having a park hopper ticket and stacking all the 'Tier 1' rides at Hollywood Studios for the end of the day and starting off somewhere else was the BEST way to do HS, lolll. Now it seems like you are gonna have to grab slinky dog dash as best you can and then everything else just juggle.

Itll be SOOO interesting to see how this plays out though, could be a net gain for alll

 

[MaC410]

Just read this on Disney's website for the new system "Limit one Lightning Lane entry per attraction, per day." So unfortunately this aspect is going to be the same as Genie+ and not go back to how it was for Fastpass+

 

[reddog21]

Just read this on Disney's website for the new system "Limit one Lightning Lane entry per attraction, per day." So unfortunately this aspect is going to be the same as Genie+ and not go back to how it was for Fastpass+

Is that the single lightning lane or the new multi pass? I don't see that on listed on the FAQ for mult pass

 

[DisFanDad]

Seems like another revisit of this commercial is deserved:

 

[SL6827]

A few weeks notice is not that much. But good luck to those caught at this time.

 

[J-Dog]

Then you are literally the biggest problem in the disney fandom, and the reason why we keep getting less for more money. Congrats.

Really ??? Is that what we teach our kids ? Everyone else is doing it - so you should too !!!

Good lord, be a better consumer, try, hard. Hey everyone else is gouging me - disney should definitely do this too !!! Seriously - its bad everywhere else so Disney should be bad too.

I mean - you can't even seem to understand that costs going up for consumers is - bad for them.


Let me know though - I'll be sure to reread so I can come to your incredible understanding that - prices going up = good for consumers.

LOL. So....are you mad at Disney for this change, or are you mad at all the posters on here who don't hate it as much as you do?

 

[Tom_E_D]

Seems like another revisit of this commercial is deserved:

Considering all the other perks they've taken away, I wonder when they're going to start charging people to ride the monorail, boats and buses.

 

[rstevens333]

And there it is - the completion of the Bamboozle

biblical!

 

[Mamabun]

Respectfully, if I’m paying for a 14 night stay, giving Disney all that extra money, I should be able to pick what I want for all the days of my stay.

While I understand what you’re saying, in the first 7 days of your trip you will get locked out of the tier one rides just like everyone else, just like it was in the fastpass+ days, so you won’t be able to pick what you want for ALL the days of your stay. And what about the people who spend just as much, likely even more, by making 2 separate 7-day trips in a year instead of one long 14-day trip. Why do they deserve to be treated worse despite spending even more money than you? It is what it is and that’s great if you think you can take advantage of it, but I personally don’t think you getting to pick 1 tier one ride for about half of the days of your trip is going to work out as well for you as Genie+ would have. Certainly not in my experience.

But who knows, I’ve dreaded all the changes up to this point and they’ve all worked out okay for us so far. We’ve made all of the systems work for us in the past, so maybe somehow this one won’t be as bad as it sounds despite sounding like they pulled all of the worst parts of each system together into one horrible product. If they just made you walk up to each ride before you could schedule the LL, they would have truly created a frankenstein’s monster of fastpass, fastpass+, and genie+.

 

[New Mouse]

Anyone who thinks this is good either never used fastpass plus enough or is related to someone who worked on the project.

Fastpass plus was about as flawed a system as they could create. People tolerated it because it was free.

The economics of it....well the stock price being down about 50% would say the economics of most choices Disney make these days are bad economically so there's a good chance this is a bust. When people cite economics they tend to forget it's typically the company that benefits.


Plain and simple, there isn't enough capacity for this, period. The fact soarin is a tier 1 pretty much proves that point and the debate is over. The fact Epcot got a massive once in a generation overhaul....and soarin is a tier 1..... let that sink in. Most tier 2 rides typically have little to no wait.

They took fastpass plus which didn't have enough capacity and then stripped 1 to 2 rides per park from that.

People said Chapek was greedy, Iger is just a pig.

 

[clarker99]

Really ??? Is that what we teach our kids ? Everyone else is doing it - so you should too !!!

Good lord, be a better consumer, try, hard. Hey everyone else is gouging me - disney should definitely do this too !!! Seriously - its bad everywhere else so Disney should be bad too.

Don't you remember - when we were told the one of the justifications for disney's MUCH higher ticket price - was the inclusion of Fastpass and Fastpass plus?

Apparently this is a tough concept for you to grasp but - Disney charging us more for stuff - is bad for us. That's it. That's the point.

And using logic like - everyone else does this thing that's bad for me, so disney should too - is so hilarious for being both ironic given what we tell our kids on a daily basis, and for demonstrating just how pathetic some of the Disney fandom are as consumers. Hey other parks don't offer a huge Fireworks show - guess disney should cut that too right ? Other parks don't have a castle either - guess disney should just knock that badboy down.

You guys are just about as bad as the "the magic is what you make of it" folks - the reason why disney keeps getting away with giving us less and less while charging more and more.

HAHAHAHAHA I can't with you - and this is the exact same thing as Fastpass was - and that was free !!!!

Remember when you just told me that everyone else was bad so Disney SHOULD be bad too .... everyone else charges more for their skip the line pass - guess disney should too right ? That's what you've said !!!

Hulk smash but will still go and pay.

 

[soniam]

Hulk smash but will still go and pay.

So many up charges. Hulk hate up charges

 

[irlandaise]

Aaand we’re back to people with 10-14 day trips getting all of the tier 1 rides, making it useless for people with 7 day or shorter trips. It was one thing when it was free fastpass+, but why would anyone with a shorter trip pay that much for something that gives them pretty much zero chance at lightning lanes on any tier 1 rides?

If it's any help, you can check on whether the rides you want are available before you buy the multipass:

Choose attractions and arrival windows before purchasing a pass—so you know what to expect.

Maybe I’m missing something, but this seems to have all of the problems of fastpass+ with none of the positives. Not free, no mention of re-rides, the wording even makes it unclear if you can get more than a 4th LL:

• Once you’re in the park and you enjoy your first multi pass experience, you may be able to make an additional selection (subject to availability).

I'm pretty sure it will be a rolling selection process. The FAQ says, "On the day of your park visit, once you redeem a selection, you can use the My Disney Experience app to check availability for another Lightning Lane Multi Pass experience—and add to your plans." Once you redeem "a" selection, not just the first one.

 

[DisFanDad]

Hulk smash but will still go and pay.

But he won't.

 

[Gabby01]

Seems like another revisit of this commercial is deserved:

Oh wow, this helps me understand the perspective of people who are upset at the loss of perks . . .

 

[Disneylover99]

Aaand we’re back to people with 10-14 day trips getting all of the tier 1 rides, making it useless for people with 7 day or shorter trips. It was one thing when it was free fastpass+, but why would anyone with a shorter trip pay that much for something that gives them pretty much zero chance at lightning lanes on any tier 1 rides? Maybe I’m missing something, but this seems to have all of the problems of fastpass+ with none of the positives. Not free, no mention of re-rides, the wording even makes it unclear if you can get more than a 4th LL:

• Once you’re in the park and you enjoy your first multi pass experience, you may be able to make an additional selection (subject to availability).

Ooh, we MAY be able to make AN additional selection. At least they say they will let you see what rides and times you can get before you buy, so I guess the good news is you don’t have to pay to be disappointed. You get to be disappointed for free.

I mean, yeah, with free fast pass, people with long trips booked primo rides at their perfect times every day so they did have an advantage. But does everyone really think that people with long trips will be buying this for everyday of their trip now? A family of four would be paying an extra $1500+.

We’re going on a 12 day trip in August. We plan to buy Genie on 1, maybe 2 days. Most people I know only buy it for one of their MK days.