Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

We went couple of weeks ago. I thought with my 4 free Marriott nights at the Swan and the discounted 4 days tickets it would be worth it but it wasn't. I don't know it's me or Disney, but I think I'm ready to divorce WDW. I'm sure I'll be back sometime in my lifetime, but it won't be until something changes. We're going to Tokyo Disney next year and probably Epic universe sometime in the next two years, but I have no desire to visit WDW anytime in the near future.

I'm not a fan of their new lightening lane program. Nothing they do seems to work. I personally loved our trips during Covid when everyone stood in line and lines were reasonable.
 
BTW, I disagree with @Dave006 when he says you can book another LLMP "based on restrictions on the MEP." You can book another LLMP because you currently have only two LLMPs and they are both Tier 2. I think you can therefore book any available LLMP in Tier 1 (or Tier 2 if you prefer)
We are on 2 different paths.. My comment below was and is relating to how @Mambo Junkie could use the MEP. To me it was clear from their post that they understood that they qualified for a new Tier 1 LLMP in addition to the MEP from Tiana's and were interested in how to use the MEP that was issued if Tiana's was down.

Yes you can replace your Tiana with another Tier 1 based on the restrictions on the MEP. However remember that you have not unlocked Tiers or the ability to make addition additional LLMP selections in your current park or at another park until you actually tap into one of your LLMPs.

Dave
 
I thought that when you purchased LLMP, everyone in the group needed to have the same selections. That's what the Disneyworld website says* and I have not noticed any reports that contradict it. The 5-minute window precedes purchase. I think any modifications made then have to affect everyone. I think it is only after you complete the purchase that you can go in and make modifications that affect only one person. Have you done it differently or seen reports from people who have done it differently?
No your are 100% correct. I will update my post above to reflect your great catch to reduce confusing anyone that happens along later. Thanks for the Correction.

I started the reply and then broke for dinner and then finished the rest of the post. I had intended to explain the 5 minute hold and that if they were just picked all 3 for everyone in their group and while others guests were still modifying times then @Skywalker3 could go back and make their modifications to different selections.

Dave
 
So that would give me (if I choose another) 3 LLMPs AND an MEPLL, correct?
Correct. Using your example of Tiana's being down and having a MEP issued (not MEPLL) then you could hold 3 LLMPs and your MEP at one time. Just remember that you would not have a LLMP for Tiani's at this point in your example.

For others following this thread: What is a MEP? It is short for Multiple Experience Pass. They should be issued when one of your current LLMP selections is down. If you don't get it added directly to your MDE a Guest Experience Team (GET) CM can assist you. Just look fora Blue Umbrella and some CMs in Blue shirts holding iPads.

ETA: Still learning to spell the word Experience...

Dave
 
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Hopping on this MEP train to make sure my understanding is clear as well. Is this accurate:

When an LLMP converts to MEP, it pulls it out of your LLMP activity for the day like it never happened. You have that slot open again and you could rebook the exact same attraction if it had availability.

If this was your first LLMP of the day, converting to MEP does NOT open up your extra tier 1 availability or park hopping.

If that first LLMP was a tier 2, then you can only book another tier 2 in the same park until you have successfully tapped into an LLMP (not the MEP) for the day.

If that first LLMP was a tier 1, then you can book another tier 1 in the same park but you cannot book in other parks until you have successfully tapped into an LLMP (not the MEP) for the day.

Is that all right?
 
I booked my LLs this morning. I then went in to see if I could modify any times. Frequently it would display an "earlier time available" that was desirable, but when I selected it, the next screen would still have the original time (or sometimes later). Is this because the earlier time was really unavailable that quickly or is it not letting me switch to an earlier time because of overlap with my other LLs?

TIA!
 
Correct. Using your example of Tiana's being down and having a MEP issued (not MEPLL) then you could hold 3 LLMPs and your MEP at one time. Just remember that you would not have a LLMP for Tiani's at this point in your example.

For others following this thread: What is a MEP? It is short for Multiple Experience Pass. They should be issued when one of your current LLMP selections is down. If you don't get it added directly to your MDE a Guest Experience Team (GET) CM can assist you. Just look fora Blue Umbrella and some CMs in Blue shirts holding iPads.

ETA: Still learning to spell the word Experience...

Dave
I do apologize for all the confusion. I just wanted to make sure that I would not lose my lightning lane that I had already booked if I were to book another. If, for instance, it was Tiana, which became the MEP, I just wanted to make sure I wouldn’t lose it because it is so hard to come by. I appreciate all your help. Thank you.
 
I booked my LLs this morning. I then went in to see if I could modify any times. Frequently it would display an "earlier time available" that was desirable, but when I selected it, the next screen would still have the original time (or sometimes later). Is this because the earlier time was really unavailable that quickly or is it not letting me switch to an earlier time because of overlap with my other LLs?

TIA!
Overlap with other LLs. If you want to overlap before morning of you need to do it during the initial booking otherwise it’s an uphill battle.
 
Just back last night from a 5-day trip, I used the new system every day and prepared the best I could by using Ear Scouts and Mammoth Club YouTube videos - to understand what I'm going to say below, I recommend you watch them, because I am slammed at work this week and will not be able to answer lots of Qs. I am not going to talk about SPLL here, though we did those, as well; they were prebooked, so I didn’t look for drops or new times.

I had a pretty relaxed first day (I did AK in the morning and only fiddle-faddled a SDD and MMRR for later in the day, just before DHS after hours, which I was attending), but for the other 4 days, I rode literally everything I wanted to ride every single day, including Tiana (every day, and I had only prebooked 2 days), Remy (every day I was in Epcot, including 2 days I had not prebooked), and SDD (2 days, neither prebooked), and at convenient times, without breaks of more than 10 min in between. The only day we arrived before resort guest EE was Saturday, to rope drop Frozen at my niece's request. Perhaps that day was the best example - we had planned Epcot with a hop to MK, and did the following starting at park entry: Living with the Land ("unlock" ride at 9 am), followed by: Remy, Imagination, Soarin', Frozen, relaxing early lunch in A/C, resort for 45 min, PP, Tiana, Pooh, BTMRR, Pirates.

In short, I loved G+, despised FP+, and was very reticent about this new system. I was wrong. The ability to hold three attractions AND modify them is huge. After using it intensely for 5 days, I like it better, but it does take understanding, effort, a willingness to at least enter a park at/around opening every day to badge into a ride immediately, and spend some time - though less than you are likely thinking - modifying ("fiddle-faddling"). It will deliver less for people who do not want to get up early, or at least get into a park at opening with an early MPLL booked (any one will do), preferably the earliest time available even if that feels silly; it will also deliver less for those who do not want to spend time modifying (I do understand that this is something some people do not want to do!). Below are a list of "hacks" or potential ones that worked for me.

1) Current "maybe" - chatted with a woman at AK on Thursday who told me she had been seeing "drops" for Tiana at around 48 min past the hour pretty regularly on days it was running well (no storms, no major down time). On the two days I didn't have Tiana booked, I was able to snag one for the exact time I was planning to be in MK that day between 9:45-9:48. On another day, I was able to shift an afternoon time that was a bit of a PIA to a perfect time in the late morning. These were definitely drops of new times, as they lasted for a few minutes and were offered at more than one time slot, it seemed to me. YMMV.
2) The ability to do major overlaps shows up on the day of your park day, at 6 am EST. It also seemed that new times were opening up then for day-of. I recommend having a leader get up at 6/6:30 and adjust as needed/wanted, which brings me to #3.
3) Talked about it videos, but reiterated here - book whatever attraction you can, Tier 2, whatever, at the first available time, preferably right as the park officially opens. Have your entire party badge into the ride as early as possible during the window, This will unlock Tier 1's , as people here already know - importantly, the earlier, the better, as this gives you more time to modify.
4) It is easier to modify a ride than book a new one, since modifying allows you to see your "pinned" attractions, and using Molly/Mammoth's "megafaddle" approach, it becomes very powerful (to visualize this, I recommend watching her videos). So once you tap in - just grab something, anything that will give you some time to modify for something more desirable, if you don't see your top choice at the time you want.
5) If your top choice is available at a cruddy time, grab it - that will be at the top of your screen as you modify, so when a better time pops up, it will be easy to snag.
6) Otherwise, use the remnants of the old Genie tool (look for stuff like "Plan for your day" with a teeny Genie icon), and go through the exercise of selecting your top attraction in the parks you'd like to visit that day. To be as fast as possible, I would recommend picking one, 2 max, per park. When you get one, go back through the exercise (using the old Genie tool) of deselecting/removing the checkmark next to the ride you now have and selecting a new one.
7) Seemed like you could get last-minute stuff right around the time when you might anticipate people wanted to leave and do something else - think, times of day when kids were starting to get antsy in the parks (say, late morning in MK right now is a boon, since the heat gets stupid) or when rain starts.

I mean it when I say we were able to do everything we wanted with almost zero breaks in between, it was ridiculous. I want to be clear that I did spend time on my phone, and maybe more than some people would wish to, but I never ran down my battery to the point where I needed a charge. Once or twice, I sat in A/C for a few minutes modifying, but I was able to get everything I wanted, at convenient times. The caveat of course: end of August is not end of December or Spring Break, which are busier and will draw more "competition" for LLs.

I truly hope this helps people who are super-stressed about prebooking. Having a Tier 1 prebooked you want at a time you want going in is ideal, but do not sweat it if that doesn't happen!

(ETA - adding that I also think people who don't want to spend time on their phones are going to be at a disadvantage - sorry....
 
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Hopping on this MEP train to make sure my understanding is clear as well. Is this accurate:

When an LLMP converts to MEP, it pulls it out of your LLMP activity for the day like it never happened. You have that slot open again and you could rebook the exact same attraction if it had availability.

If this was your first LLMP of the day, converting to MEP does NOT open up your extra tier 1 availability or park hopping.

If that first LLMP was a tier 2, then you can only book another tier 2 in the same park until you have successfully tapped into an LLMP (not the MEP) for the day.

If that first LLMP was a tier 1, then you can book another tier 1 in the same park but you cannot book in other parks until you have successfully tapped into an LLMP (not the MEP) for the day.

Is that all right?
Yes, I think you have correctly stated it.
 
Getting ready to book in a cpl weeks. We have an AK morning with a DHS in afternoon. Originally I was justgoing to book 3 at DHS, but if I'm understanding correctly I'm thinking it may be better to hopefully get Navi for park opening at AK, and once we scan in, book at DHS and modify our other 2 AK ones for DHS in hopes of being able to book 2 tier 1s at DHS. - Does this sound right, am I overlooking anything?
 
Getting ready to book in a cpl weeks. We have an AK morning with a DHS in afternoon. Originally I was justgoing to book 3 at DHS, but if I'm understanding correctly I'm thinking it may be better to hopefully get Navi for park opening at AK, and once we scan in, book at DHS and modify our other 2 AK ones for DHS in hopes of being able to book 2 tier 1s at DHS. - Does this sound right, am I overlooking anything?
That would be my approach. Book Navi as early as possible; if not at park opening, grab a tier 2 bang on at 8/opening time. Once you badge into that, you can select a tier 1 at DHS and modify your other AK tier 2 to a DHS toer 1, as well. With DHS, as well, earlier is going to be better.
 
Getting ready to book in a cpl weeks. We have an AK morning with a DHS in afternoon. Originally I was justgoing to book 3 at DHS, but if I'm understanding correctly I'm thinking it may be better to hopefully get Navi for park opening at AK, and once we scan in, book at DHS and modify our other 2 AK ones for DHS in hopes of being able to book 2 tier 1s at DHS. - Does this sound right, am I overlooking anything?
Yes that sounds right. And since you are going to Animal Kingdom first, you will also save money.
 
Overlap with other LLs. If you want to overlap before morning of you need to do it during the initial booking otherwise it’s an uphill battle.
Weird, because I didn't just accept the given times at the initial booking. I looked for other times and it seemed like I was getting the earliest, but then when I went to modify later, earlier times were coming up. Well, thanks for the reply. We'll do what we can morning of!
 
The new system doesn’t work for us at all. We are late afternoon/evening parkgoers, and G+ was awesome because my day by the pool could be spent stacking LLs for later. Now, it’s book your three and like ‘em, because by the time you get to the parks all the good stuff will be gone. And I hate the tiers. Sigh. I hope they make tweaks to the system over time. It’s definitely set up, as a PP said, for people who want to commit to going to the park as early as possible. Boo.
 
The new system doesn’t work for us at all. We are late afternoon/evening parkgoers, and G+ was awesome because my day by the pool could be spent stacking LLs for later. Now, it’s book your three and like ‘em, because by the time you get to the parks all the good stuff will be gone. And I hate the tiers. Sigh. I hope they make tweaks to the system over time. It’s definitely set up, as a PP said, for people who want to commit to going to the park as early as possible. Boo.
Well that’s more than a slight exaggeration. While I agree the system is not kind to late arrivals/previous G+ Power Stackers it works. You get the 3 you booked so it will work for it’s stated expectations, you just won’t get to take as good an advantage of the “you may be able to make an additional selection” part.
 
The new system doesn’t work for us at all. We are late afternoon/evening parkgoers, and G+ was awesome because my day by the pool could be spent stacking LLs for later. Now, it’s book your three and like ‘em, because by the time you get to the parks all the good stuff will be gone. And I hate the tiers. Sigh. I hope they make tweaks to the system over time. It’s definitely set up, as a PP said, for people who want to commit to going to the park as early as possible. Boo.
No, you're looking at it the wrong way. This is good news for those who enjoy evenings in the parks. Pick your 3 then add and modify additional rides after you arrive. Remember that "sold out" is only a temporary condition.

Now comes the good part. Time isn't free, and the crowds that arrived early is either going to get done or tire out and leave early. This will leave the attractions even more wide open than they are now for late night guests. Just keep in mind that the posted wait times are intentionally inflated in the evening to discourage late riders and you'll be surprised how much you can get done.

Anything that pushes more guests to the parks earlier is good news, not bad.
 
Weird, because I didn't just accept the given times at the initial booking. I looked for other times and it seemed like I was getting the earliest, but then when I went to modify later, earlier times were coming up. Well, thanks for the reply. We'll do what we can morning of!
Update: I was able to modify some of them to earlier times. Next weird thing, it allowed overlapping LLs sometimes, but not every time.
 




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