Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[Dave006]

No, new LLMP and LLSP will not be available before July 24th for your advanced reservations on July 17th. This new system starts on July 24th for all Guests. The old Genie+ system and the LLMP / LLSP system will not coexist.

You pay when you make your reservations so you can't do it before July 24th when the system launches. Is that clear enough?

ETA: Add additional text...

Dave

 

[andrewilley]

Thanks, but it doesn’t answer my question. If my trip starts July 24, will this be on sale July 17 to begin use on July 24? I’m not visiting before July 24 so I wouldn’t need the other, current version.

No. This has been answered in multiple comments here already.

The new system will not have any existence at all until July 24. On July 23 you will be able to use Genie+ right up until the closing of the parks. The next morning, anyone wanting to make a booking for that day (i.e. July 24) will still be able to do so, but they will use the new LLMP system instead of Genie+.

When the new system begins, guests will also have the ability to start pre-booking for the following three days if they have a regular or dated ticket - presumably meaning for July 25, 26 and 27, plus some further dates depending on their ticket type (not 100% sure of every option there). Guests with hotel reservation arrival dates up to July 31 will also be able to book for their entire length of stay (max 14 days). The system will then roll on from there, with a new day's availability being added every 7am.

All of the above is dependent on Disney's IT system behaving the way that they have indicated - and of course of it not crashing within 15 minutes.

Andre

 

[123SA]

Dave006 said:
Since you will have park hoppers you will be able to book any attraction in your AM park or another park as soon as you tap in to your first LLMP selection.

Also a special note for all: Only Advanced LLMP reservations have Tiers 1 & 2. On the day of your visit all Tiers go away so you are able to make reservations for any attraction.

Dave

The above is from the other thread

Question.....since all of the tiers go away on the day of...does this mean that someone who is booking at 9am can grab Big Thunder, Jungle Cruise and Space Mountain? Assuming availability of course. I'm not really happy about that. I think everyone should have to ring off something before they grab 3 Tier 1. They are still pre-selecting rides.

I guess I think that if someone purchasing on that day can select 3 tier 1 , then at 9am I should be able to modify all my rides to Tier 1.

Has there been any discussion about this? Once the park opens...we can modify to whatever? Or at least once we ring off one ride we can select one more and change the other selections to tier 1?

Otherwise, purchasing in advance gives you an advantage for 1 ride, great for Slinky, but it puts you at a disadvantage at getting additional tier 1 compared to those that purchase day of.

 

[Dave006]

All of the above is dependent on Disney's IT system behaving the way that they have indicated - and it not crashing within 15 minutes.

I don't expect the system to last that long. I would say it is casters up by 7:05 AM on July 24th.

Dave

 

[Dave006]

I guess I think that if someone purchasing on that day can select 3 tier 1 , then at 9am I should be able to modify all my rides to Tier 1.

Has there been any discussion about this? Once the park opens...we can modify to whatever? Or at least once we ring off one ride we can select one more and change the other selections to tier 1?

No not based on what Disney has posted as of this moment:

Once you redeem a selection on the day of your park visit, you can choose another multi pass experience from either group (subject to availability).

You have to tap into your first ride to activate / allow you to select from any attraction that is available. Individuals that purchase same day will need to pick a max of 1 Tier and up to 2 Tier 2 before their first LLMP usage same rules apply they would need to tap in for their first LLMP attraction to eliminate the tiers.

I think you are looking for a case where once you tap in to your first attraction can you then modify your remaining Tier 2 selections to a Tier 1? We simply don't know how this magic logic will work on July 24th.

ETA: more details on same day purchase / usage...

Dave

 

[Tom_E_D]

The above is from the other thread

Question.....since all of the tiers go away on the day of...does this mean that someone who is booking at 9am can grab Big Thunder, Jungle Cruise and Space Mountain? Assuming availability of course. I'm not really happy about that. I think everyone should have to ring off something before they grab 3 Tier 1. They are still pre-selecting rides.

I guess I think that if someone purchasing on that day can select 3 tier 1 , then at 9am I should be able to modify all my rides to Tier 1.

Has there been any discussion about this? Once the park opens...we can modify to whatever? Or at least once we ring off one ride we can select one more and change the other selections to tier 1?

Otherwise, purchasing in advance gives you an advantage for 1 ride, great for Slinky, but it puts you at a disadvantage at getting additional tier 1 compared to those that purchase day of.

People have asked. People have speculated, both in this thread and elsewhere. But what the answer is is not clear.

The Disneyworld website says that for MK. EP and HS, you can only pre-book three attractions, up to one from Group A (aka Tier 1) and your other two or all three from Group B (aka Tier 2).

It also says that once you redeem a Lightning Lane Multi Pass selection (or once the arrival window has passed), you can book another in any park if you have a park hopper.

In other places, it says once you redeem one, you can book another in either Group (Group=Tier).

Some bloggers have said that you can book in either Group on "day-of." But the Disneyworld website doesn't (that I've seen) say "day-of." I don't know if the bloggers are getting inside info from Disney or are reading the "once you redeem" language as meaning day-of.

In another place, the website says you can modify your selections. Interestingly, it does not say if there are any restrictions on modification (such as Group B can only be replaced by Group B). It says modifications can be made "after completing your purchase." I read that as meaning you do not have to wait until day-of to modify.

Some people are taking that day-of language (which apparently came from the bloggers) and imagining scenarios where you're better off not booking your last two LLs until day-of, or whether you can modify them at a certain time of day on day-of (7:00 AM? 9:00? park opening? midnight?) from Group B to Group A (subject to availability), or whether you can only modify them as soon as you redeem your first LL or have it expire, etc. Which is it? We don't know. We'll probably find out when reports filter in on July 24 of what happened. If Disney was serious about keeping people's first three LLs as no more than one from Group A, I think they could do it. However, Fastpass+ had the same restriction and I understand people found ways to get around it. (I wasn't one of those people, so don't ask me how it was done.)

 

[Dave006]

In another place, the website says you can modify your selections. Interestingly, it does not say if there are any restrictions on modification (such as Group B can only be replaced by Group B). It says modifications can be made "after completing your purchase." I read that as meaning you do not have to wait until day-of to modify.

Here is the relevant text on Changes (Modifications) after Purchasing LLMPs:

• Change your selected park and/or date in advance (subject to availability)—up until the moment you redeem your first Lightning Lane selection of the day.
• Change each selected experience and/or arrival window in advance (subject to availability)—up until the start of the arrival window

Some people are taking that day-of language (which apparently came from the bloggers) and imagining scenarios where you're better off not booking your last two LLs until day-of, or whether you can modify them at a certain time of day on day-of (7:00 AM? 9:00? park opening? midnight?) from Group B to Group A (subject to availability), or whether you can only modify them as soon as you redeem your first LL or have it expire, etc. Which is it?

Yea this is not going to work based on a magic time period or window. As the quote above indicates you can make change / modify your selections right up to the start of your arrival window for an attraction.

The only thing that remains is if once you use your first LLMP selection what specific rules apply to any remaining selections vs being able to select any available attraction to replace your used selection or it's arrival window expires (we don't how long this is). You still subject to the limit of one Lightning Lane entry per attraction, per day.

Dave

 

[DCLMP]

Have they told us the cost yet?

 

[Dave006]

Have they told us the cost yet?

No but they did indicate that guests can expect similar pricing to Genie+ when Lightning Lane Multi-Pass launches (LLMP). Beginning July 24th, you will be able to see the current pricing in MDE before your selection(s) and purchase. Prices for LLLMP vary by date and theme park. Prices for Lightning Lane Single Passes (LLSP) vary by date and attraction.

Summer is not peak season, so don't expect a price increase right away given demand. October through December are when to watch for higher rates this year. So far this year Genie+ had peaked at $39 (MK) this spring during Spring Break which is the current high for the Genie+ service.

ETA: add Disney price wording...

Dave

 

[Dameon2k]

So basically, after years of me asking Disney to bring Q-bot to their parks they finally have brought something very similar. Everyone will like this a whole lot more. It locks people into three rides, and you can only make a selection after you use your first. Used this at Dollywood several times and those were some of the most stress-free days I ever had a at any park of any kind. The biggest thing is to stop any potential exploit or abuse of the system.

 

[poochie]

Curious, isn't the Lightning Lane rides an additional charge? Curious how much each one costs. Level 1 and Level 2.

 

[adizzle819]

Yep, about to post exactly this. I spoke to a CM on the phone last week who "confirmed" only the LLMPs have to be pre-booked in one park, meaning you can book a LLSP/VQ for a different park (if you have park hopper) for later that same day, or first thing if you're booking the LLMPs in the afternoon.

Hope that makes sense.

Perfect, thanks for confirming!

 

[gottalovepluto]

Curious, isn't the Lightning Lane rides an additional charge? Curious how much each one costs. Level 1 and Level 2.

LL Single Pass is just renaming the current Individual Lightening Lane program. No levels. Each ride is priced independently each day. Max you can purchase is 2.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

I find it odd to think they'll restrict guests booking days ahead with LLMP to one tier 1 attraction initially, but then open up day-of purchasing guests to more than one. Seems like guests booking day-of are still "pre-booking" their attractions for later in the day and would be under the same umbrella of rules as the other guests for their initial 3 selections. It really seems they are classifying and restricting the "tier 1" attractions to prevent all of the better rides to be completely gone before the day starts. Then, once people start using their LL, it seems we can book any level attraction in any park (without booking the same attraction twice).

I've been wondering what happens if I just wanted to book a single attraction. Haven't seen any responses to that question (might have missed it). After I use the 1, can I book 1/2/3 at another park, or do I need to book 2 'throwaway' LLs at my first park first? I know since we aren't returning this summer, these questions will be answered by the time we do return - but so many unknowns until folks actually start testing and stressing the system!!

 

[123SA]

No not based on what Disney has posted as of this moment:



You have to tap into your first ride to activate / allow you to select from any attraction that is available. Individuals that purchase same day will need to pick a max of 1 Tier and up to 2 Tier 2 before their first LLMP usage same rules apply they would need to tap in for their first LLMP attraction to eliminate the tiers.

I think you are looking for a case where once you tap in to your first attraction can you then modify your remaining Tier 2 selections to a Tier 1? We simply don't know how this magic logic will work on July 24th.

ETA: more details on same day purchase / usage...

Dave

I haven't read this info anywhere: Individuals that purchase same day will need to pick a max of 1 Tier and up to 2 Tier 2 before their first LLMP usage same rules apply they would need to tap in for their first LLMP attraction to eliminate the tiers.

This has been confirmed?


**I appreciate all of your help in interpreting this new system

 

[Tom_E_D]

Curious, isn't the Lightning Lane rides an additional charge? Curious how much each one costs. Level 1 and Level 2.

As with Genie+ now, when you buy an LLMP there will be a price that varies by date and park. However, there will not be any additional cost to ride any of the rides that are covered by the LLMP. either Tier 1 (aka Group A) or Tier 2 (aka Group B). The rides that are currently ILLs and will be LLSPs are purchased separately and are not included with the LLMP (Tron, Seven Dwarfs, Guardians, Rise, and Avatar). Today's prices for Genie+ are AK $16, EP $18, HS $22 and MK/multi-park $25. Today's prices for ILLs are Tron $20, Seven Dwarfs $11, Guardians $15, Rise $22, and Avatar $14. Prices vary.

 

[scrappinginontario]

No but they did indicate that guests can expect similar pricing to Genie+ when Lightning Lane Multi-Pass launches (LLMP). Beginning July 24th, you will be able to see the current pricing in MDE before your selection(s) and purchase. Prices for LLLMP vary by date and theme park. Prices for Lightning Lane Single Passes (LLSP) vary by date and attraction.

Summer is not peak season, so don't expect a price increase right away given demand. October through December are when to watch for higher rates this year. So far this year Genie+ had peaked at $39 (MK) this spring during Spring Break which is the current high for the Genie+ service.

ETA: add Disney price wording...

Dave

Can you please provide the link where Disney announced the price is to be similar to Genie+? I have not seen Disney publish that information.

 

[Mamiamjo]

I don't expect the system to last that long. I would say it is casters up by 7:05 AM on July 24th.

Dave

That's what I'm afraid of too, since the transition is right in the middle of our trip unfortunately!

 

[Cabius]

Can you please provide the link where Disney announced the price is to be similar to Genie+? I have not seen Disney publish that information.

I don't think there's been an official written announcement, but:

• Screenshots of the checkout process show pricing that is consistent with Genie+
• Scott Gustin said so on Twitter, and while he isn't a Disney employee, he's clearly briefed directly by Disney for these types of announcements. e.g. he posted the announcement on Twitter several minutes before the Disney Parks account, and an hour before Disney's landing page went live. He included a detailed explanations, not just interpreting and regurgitating an official announcement, using official Disney resources/collateral that hadn't yet been published, some of which I have never seen elsewhere. He's basically is to Disney what Woj is to the NBA.

They could always surprise us, but Scott is a super highly credible source, and combined with the screenshots that Disney used, I think it's very reasonable to expect pricing to be consistent with Genie+ in the near term. (Though, I'm sure that if demand is high, price will go up accordingly.)

 

[Minnie1222]

If Disney was serious about keeping people's first three LLs as no more than one from Group A, I think they could do it. However, Fastpass+ had the same restriction and I understand people found ways to get around it. (I wasn't one of those people, so don't ask me how it was done.)

I also think they could do it. If they were able to have control under the free FP+, there's no reason why they can't do it with a paid system where there would be fewer users.

The only way I knew how to "get around" the FP+ restriction was to buy the additional passes offered to club guests. Totally legit. But that program had ended with the pandemic.