Perhaps FP+ will make WDW better for more people?

[crostorfer]

I really hope all the people that don't like the system don't return. So sick if reading "cry cry wah, I don't like FP+!!!" Please by all means don't go back to WDW keep the crowd levels low. I hate the tiering but when the option comes to pay to get rid of it I'll pay for it happily. Do it already Disney please implement the whole system, and let the chips fall.

I, too, am willing to pay for more FP slots. I am willing to pay for extras of the same ride, (which is really my biggest problem with the system). So, I agree, please Disney, just roll out the for profit system we all know is coming.

If this doesn't come to fruition, then yes Networth, I will stay out of Disney in order to keep your crowd levels low, and I will enjoy a vacation on site at Universal. Perhaps we can draw a chalk line across I-4. You stay on one side, I'll stay on the other.

 

[Disneylover99]

NOTHING is flawless for everyone.

Sent from my IPad using DisBoards.

True. Maybe the system won't be flawless for DisneyKentucky next time.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

True. Maybe the system won't be flawless for DisneyKentucky next time.

And maybe it will be for you.

 

[AmyB2006]

I believe this was one of the intentions Disney had with this program. Guests did not understand the old FP system. However, they also realize that they need to "teach" their guest to use the new system and have started with onsite guests, providing personalized booklets, flash drives and messages when they book. Educating offsite guests will be much more difficult so they are trying to "catch them" as they enter the parks. In the end, they expect a higher percentage of guests to use FP+ than used FP-. (I think someone mentioned 70% as opposed to 30%?)

However, I don't believe the is the main focus of MM+ and FP+. That has been stated to be guest management (crowd control) and revenue enhancement (getting a bigger share of the guests wallet by keeping them tied to their parks and resorts).

100% agreed. Very well said. Not their only intention, ONE of the intentions, and part of the bigger picture.

 

[mom2rtk]

And maybe it will be for you.

What is this..... vacation roulette? Plop down a few thousand dollars and see if you can be one of the lucky ones?

 

[AmyB2006]

NOTHING is flawless for everyone.

Sent from my IPad using DisBoards.

Such a simple concept.

 

[stairstepmom]

I can't stand getting into these back and forth arguments, but I just have to say once again that the comments regarding some previously savvy families needing to give up some of the benefits they worked for (by researching, by waking up at the crack of dawn, by running to FP machines) in order to spread the FP wealth around is more than a little disturbing! There are a few political and economic systems with similar thoughts and well, things haven't turned out too well for those folks. My historian DH was pretty put off by the similarities.

Would you be willing to base your pay raises not on your performance but by dividing the money equally amongst you and your coworkers?

Is there anyone here who would answer yes to that question, honestly?

I ran for my last legacy FP Sat night - from the Land to Maelstrom, walked all the way around to UK to meet my family and then walked back around WS. I was carrying my 1 month old and boy was my shoulder sore the next day from where the baby sling cut into my skin.

But I saved my family a 30 min wait with my effort and I was thrilled to still have the opportunity to do so.

This isn't a matter of healthcare or a living wage, where there is much room for humanitarian debate on how to care for our fellow man; it's a vacation destination - there is still room for benefit to fit effort.

At least there was.

 

[AmyB2006]

I can't stand getting into these back and forth arguments, but I just have to say once again that the comments regarding some previously savvy families needing to give up some of the benefits they worked for (by researching, by waking up at the crack of dawn, by running to FP machines) in order to spread the FP wealth around is more than a little disturbing! There are a few political and economic systems with similar thoughts and well, things haven't turned out too well for those folks. My historian DH was pretty put off by the similarities.

Would you be willing to base your pay raises not on your performance but by dividing the money equally amongst you and your coworkers?

Is there anyone here who would answer yes to that question, honestly?

I ran for my last legacy FP Sat night - from the Land to Maelstrom, walked all the way around to UK to meet my family and then walked back around WS. I was carrying my 1 month old and boy was my shoulder sore the next day from where the baby sling cut into my skin.

But I saved my family a 30 min wait with my effort and I was thrilled to still have the opportunity to do so.

This isn't a matter of healthcare or a living wage, where there is much room for humanitarian debate on how to care for our fellow man; it's a vacation destination - there is still room for benefit to fit effort.

At least there was.

Well, look at it this way, now you don't have to do all that running around. All while toting a baby with you. Save your shoulders... Schedule a FP+!! That could be the new slogan.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Nobody wins with FP+ except Disney. I understand liking having 1 or 2 or maybe 3 FPs scheduled ahead of time. But at the end of the day, the game is stacked in Disney's favor.

Disney didn't do this to make things more fair or to reward their precious onsite customer. They did this to monetize a previously "free" system. Maybe they'll sell them, maybe they will roll them into hotel packages, clearly they are using them to encourage onsite stays.

But even if you stay onsite, you don't win in this in terms of price. Offsite hotels exert a price pressure on Disney's hotels. If Disney can use FP to further differentiate their rooms from offsite rooms, there will be less need for room discounts and free dining.

At the end of the day, FP+ equates to a huge price increase for everyone, onsite or offsite or local.

 

[Jennasis]

Once more (with feeling!)...

DISNEY created the monster by offering original-recipe FP for over 14 years for free. So nobody...not Disney, not the "royal you", should act surprised or indignant that people are upset that things have changed and that the system they replaced with is LESS then the old one. It IS less. Less FP...tiers...no hopping. LESS.

As for the original topic. I am a bleeding heart liberal but even I have no interest in socialist vacationing. Even school children know that communism is a delightful theory but fails miserably in the real world.

 

[mom2rtk]

I, too, am willing to pay for more FP slots. I am willing to pay for extras of the same ride, (which is really my biggest problem with the system). So, I agree, please Disney, just roll out the for profit system we all know is coming.

There is a thread on the rumor board about this very subject. But the rumor also is that it would not allow purchase of any duplicates. That's a huge issue for us as well.

 

[Laketravis]

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn............. good mornin' ya'll.

What did I miss?

 

[BuckeyeBama]

What is this..... vacation roulette? Plop down a few thousand dollars and see if you can be one of the lucky ones?

You do that with every spend - every single one.

 

[stairstepmom]

Well, look at it this way, now you don't have to do all that running around. All while toting a baby with you. Save your shoulders... Schedule a FP+!! That could be the new slogan.

I couldn't, my kids wanted to ride Test Track one last time. Not Soarin too; just TT.

And I appreciated the opportunity Disney previously supported to get that sore shoulder.

Sore shoulders are better than mediocrity for all.

 

[AmyB2006]

It IS less. Less FP...tiers...no hopping. LESS.

This needs to be done again.

 

[summerskye]

Here, let me fix that for you:

Thanks for the link to the surprise video. That was cool.

 

[mom2rtk]

You do that with every spend - every single one.

It's about the degree of likelihood.

Just because it can occasionally happen does not mean you should choose to do so in the face of so much evidence of it actually being likely to happen.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

It's about the degree of likelihood.

Just because it can occasionally happen does not mean you should choose to do so in the face of so much evidence of it actually being likely to happen.

Look, I was just as discouraged until my trip last week. It really did turn out great for us. I went in expecting to never return - that is how we really felt going in. We only decided to make the trip because we had spent so much time and money preparing for the marathon events. Instead we had an awesome time and used the FP+ system to do things differently than we had in the past.

One month ago, I was prepared to walk away from WDW forever. My experience with the system showed me that it isn't as bad as everyone made me believe that it would be. It was a "crap shoot" for us, but we had too much invested not to take the chance. I am glad that we did. If you choose not to so so, I can't blame you, but sometimes the best plans don't work out and the worst plans work out great.

You can just postpone your trip for a year or two until there is more certainty.

 

[mom2rtk]

You can just postpone your trip for a year or two until there is more certainty.

I did. Disneyland was awesome. I expect it will be awesome when we go this year again.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

Sounds sort of like the Manhatten Moms who hire the handicap to get them spots in line. "This is how the rich see Disney."

FP+ benefits those with more money to spend, even if there's never an option to pay for more FP -- people who can afford to stay onsite; people who go to the parks for multiple days (and/or multiple times a year) and have no need to maximize their hours in the park or ride TT and Soarin in the same day and don't suffer as much wasting time when their MB doesn't work; even people with smartphone data plans.

The change from FP- to FP+ hurts people traveling on a tight budget, staying offsite possibly sharing a rental with extended family, people who can only afford one or two park days and want to arrive at RD and pack as much into those days as possible.

Gaining an advantage with legacy fastpass was just about doing basic research before a trip (or reading the park map when you arrive, or asking someone for help) and putting in a little more effort to make your trip the best. The beauty was that it was equal opportunity.