Perhaps FP+ will make WDW better for more people?

[SmallWorld71]

This is awesome to hear! This is exactly why I was excited about FP+, death to the necessity to rope drop. From what I can see, now I only have to do RD if I want to do multiple Tier 1 rides. Otherwise, I can go to the park more than one day to get a FP+ to get another Tier 1 ride.

This is exactly the same as it was before. If you want to ride multiple headliners, get to the park before the crowds. The only headliner whose FP regularly ran out in the morning was TSMM. All others were available to you in the afternoon before.

 

[morethananyonex]

Straw man. I am saying it's similar to their sense of entitlement. You are not "Owed" a fast pass. It's like the woman who thought because she just ate at Akershus thought she deserved a front spot for Anna and Elsa meet and greet. The sense of entitlement from the Disney fans is unbearable at times.

You are not owed anything with your ticket except entrance through the gates (if capacity isn't reached). If Disney decided to refurb all the attractions at once leaving stores, restaurants and meets, would you be crying entitlement when people complain?

Until Disney opens their doors for free, people absolutely have a right to complain about what they are getting for their hard earned money. TBH I've never seen a company that people defend more than Disney. They could take away SO much and people would be all "whatever more room for me!!!"

 

[DisneyKentucky]

I honestly don't understand this. Using legacy FP wasn't special treatment, it was common sense. It was available on ANYONE who entered the park and was also willing to use common sense.

So is FP+. The common theme is "we are super fans who knew how to use the system and now we are only getting 3 fast passes so we're going to Universal or insert another vacation." I just want to know from the sense of entitlement on here, what is the appropriate number of fast passes you think you 'deserve' with your dollars.

Granted, I'm bitter for waiting hours before fast pass was created to see Captain EO in the 1980s at Disneyland.

 

[SmallWorld71]

Exactly. It's a great way to allow people to focus more on what matters and not seeing people yell at each other at rope drop to "hurry up."

Just so you know, early reports from people who have been there are that the exact opposite is occurring. FP+ is making all the lines longer, including those that were never long before, making it more important than ever to get to the park at opening. That may change, of course.

 

[DisneyKentucky]

You are not owed anything with your ticket except entrance through the gates (if capacity isn't reached). If Disney decided to refurb all the attractions at once leaving stores, restaurants and meets, would you be crying entitlement when people complain?

Until Disney opens their doors for free, people absolutely have a right to complain about what they are getting for their hard earned money. TBH I've never seen a company that people defend more than Disney. They could take away SO much and people would be all "whatever more room for me!!!"

Another straw man. People are not complaining about all rides being down. They are complaining about a limited amount of times they are allowed quick entry on a ride. A concept that is now able to be accessed days before on their smart phone and planned ahead of time. Allowing the rider to not have to stress about rope drops and other mundane plans of getting to parks early.

It's like people complaining about having a cake waiting for them but being mad because they wanted to eat three cakes and only one was there for them. Instead, they have to choose 2 donuts to go with their cake. So, since there isn't 3 cakes they will go up the road about 7 miles and eat churros. In the end, aren't we all enjoying a delicious sweet?

 

[erddig]

I think old FP was pretty darn easy to understand and use. If they didn't understand that I don't see how they would understand FP+.

Yep, which means long lines for the FP+ kiosks are not going away. There will always be new people who don't plan or understand.

I'm tired for being criticized for being a good consumer and a good traveler. I don't travel to a new city with looking at a map, researching restaurants, checking out things to do, figuring out transportation etc. Why would I go to Disney with out doing the same? Before the Internet, I read travel books, consulted travel agents and talked to people who were familiar with the place I was going. Not complicated, just smart.

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[deakam]

Straw man. I am saying it's similar to their sense of entitlement. You are not "Owed" a fast pass. It's like the woman who thought because she just ate at Akershus thought she deserved a front spot for Anna and Elsa meet and greet. The sense of entitlement from the Disney fans is unbearable at times.

You are quite right Mr. Kentucky spread the wealth around. I am not "owed" a fast pass. But I do go to rope drop. I do plan my day to get the most of the fast passes I do acquire. I also have been known to use the single rider line to ride an attraction more than once if needed. I would never "use" a disabled person for anything. And I do not cheat the system. I do not like the new system therefore I will not use the new system. I also don't like McDonald's burgers, therefore I do not eat them. Same thing. And it has nothing to do with money. For your information I work very hard and save my money to go to Disney. Another reason I don't like the new system is because I don't own a smart phone choosing to save the money for my vacations. Smart aleck communist.

 

[DisneyKentucky]

Just so you know, early reports from people who have been there are that the exact opposite is occurring. FP+ is making all the lines longer, including those that were never long before, making it more important than ever to get to the park at opening. That may change, of course.

Just so you know, I was there the past 10 days. Except for this weekend when the holiday crowd rushed in..... was easy on and off. Went flawless. Love the new system.

 

[morethananyonex]

Another straw man. People are not complaining about all rides being down. They are complaining about a limited amount of times they are allowed quick entry on a ride. A concept that is now able to be accessed days before on their smart phone and planned ahead of time. Allowing the rider to not have to stress about rope drops and other mundane plans of getting to parks early. It's like people complaining about having a cake waiting for them but being mad because they wanted to eat three cakes and only one was there for them. Instead, they have to choose 2 donuts to go with their cake. So, since there isn't 3 cakes they will go up the road about 7 miles and eat churros. In the end, aren't we all enjoying a delicious sweet?

People are complaining about a decrease in service (in their opinion). It really doesn't matter if you believe it is. Disney is not a charity providing service out of the goodness of their hearts, they are a business who collect money for their services and people are allowed to voice their opinions if those services no longer become worth it to them. End of story.

Everybody getting sweets for a price means nothing if they aren't the sweets you enjoy.

 

[DisneyKentucky]

You are quite right Mr. Kentucky spread the wealth around. I am not "owed" a fast pass. But I do go to rope drop. I do plan my day to get the most of the fast passes I do acquire. I also have been known to use the single rider line to ride an attraction more than once if needed. I would never "use" a disabled person for anything. And I do not cheat the system. I do not like the new system therefore I will not use the new system. I also don't like McDonald's burgers, therefore I do not eat them. Same thing. And it has nothing to do with money. For your information I work very hard and save my money to go to Disney. Another reason I don't like the new system is because I don't own a smart phone choosing to save the money for my vacations. Smart aleck communist.

Obviously, you own a computer. They can be done via computer. So, what amount of fastpasses would have been enough to save your dollars from the other park?

FWIW, I am labeled worse, a minarchist to anarcho capitalist.

 

[Networth]

I really hope all the people that don't like the system don't return. So sick if reading "cry cry wah, I don't like FP+!!!" Please by all means don't go back to WDW keep the crowd levels low. I hate the tiering but when the option comes to pay to get rid of it I'll pay for it happily. Do it already Disney please implement the whole system, and let the chips fall.

 

[SmallWorld71]

So is FP+. The common theme is "we are super fans who knew how to use the system and now we are only getting 3 fast passes so we're going to Universal or insert another vacation." I just want to know from the sense of entitlement on here, what is the appropriate number of fast passes you think you 'deserve' with your dollars.

Granted, I'm bitter for waiting hours before fast pass was created to see Captain EO in the 1980s at Disneyland.

I, too, was riding rides long before FP. (and waiting in long lines)

I don't think anyone is saying they are entitled to anything. But, Disney created a wonderful system that they are now taking away. And, you didn't have to be a super fan to use it. You only needed to stick your ticket in a slot.
Now, you have to spend hours of your time fighting with the technology trying to guess what you might feel like doing two months from now. Or, wasting valuable time in line if you are an offsite guest. Either way, nobody is saving any time. They're just wasting it in a different manner.

I will tell you that if I were spending the entire day in a park, which we often didn't do, the # of FP's we used was generally:
AK - 2
DHS - 2
Epcot - 1-2
MK - 5-6

So, overall, our touring is not affected. Still hate the new system and the extra stress and planning it requires.

 

[DisneyKentucky]

People are complaining about a decrease in service (in their opinion). It really doesn't matter if you believe it is. Disney is not a charity providing service out of the goodness of their hearts, they are a business who collect money for their services and people are allowed to voice their opinions if those services no longer become worth it to them. End of story.

Everybody getting sweets for a price means nothing if they aren't the sweets you enjoy.

Your answer is correct. They have a right to complain and I have a right to say they sound very entitled. I really want to know the thought process behind how many FP would have been enough to save their fire.

 

[DisneyKentucky]

I, too, was riding rides long before FP. (and waiting in long lines)

I don't think anyone is saying they are entitled to anything. But, Disney created a wonderful system that they are now taking away. And, you didn't have to be a super fan to use it. You only needed to stick your ticket in a slot.
Now, you have to spend hours of your time fighting with the technology trying to guess what you might feel like doing two months from now. Or, wasting valuable time in line if you are an offsite guest. Either way, nobody is saving any time. They're just wasting it in a different manner.

I will tell you that if I were spending the entire day in a park, which we often didn't do, the # of FP's we used was generally:
AK - 2
DHS - 2
Epcot - 1-2
MK - 5-6

So, overall, our touring is not affected. Still hate the new system and the extra stress and planning it requires.

Let me just say, the system is easy to use. If you can post on a message board this system won't be hard to use. Also, getting fast passes are easier to get and you don't have to wait an hour and plan your day around being near a machine to get them. I think there is a need to vent and I get it for the "Super Users" who needed multiple passes. For people like you and sorta me (I was on the Super User side as well) you won't see it as a bad system. Picking a ride and the time is just like picking an ADR. I'm more shocked people complaining who've never tried it.

 

[disneymagicgirl]

Okay, I had a thought...

A lot of people on this board are complaining about FP+. I get that people don't like change (who moved my cheese, and all that). Us WDW freaks had it figured out! Now it's all thrown into a tail spin with the loss of Legacy FP's.

Since us WDW planners can no longer get 4-7 FP's a day across the parks, RD to EMH close, perhaps FP+ and the limit of FP's means that more "normal" park guests can perhaps get on a rides (3 at least!) with little wait when normally a personal who is clueless would walk into the park and maybe get 1 FP and then wait like crazy and have a terrible trip (we've all heard from those people).

I know it means we can't go crazy with FP's and never wait in standby with FP+, but maybe FP+ means more people can get a chance to ride rides without waits than in the past. Like sharing the love a little more?

And before you yell at me saying you pay $$$ to go do Disney and all that, know that I get that. But non-planners spend $$$ to go to Disney too and they can have a crappy trip if they didn't realize you have to be an expert to not wait in line.

Just a thought!

i don't care about other people getting to ride more now because they didn't plan and research enough before. i care that i may get to ride less now because they didn't plan and research enough before.
before, everyone had a fair shot at riding the same. some people took advantage. some didn't.

 

[SmallWorld71]

Your answer is correct. They have a right to complain and I have a right to say they sound very entitled. I really want to know the thought process behind how many FP would have been enough to save their fire.

Since you really seem to want a number, I'll say 6.

On our most recent MK day, by only pulling FP when we got to a really long line and not running around trying to max out anything, we pulled the following over the course of the day.

Space Mountain
Peter Pan
Splash Mountain
BTMRR
Barnstormer
Dumbo

I am sure that super planners got a lot more, but since it was pretty easy to pull six without any FP planning, that's the number I'll pick.

Obviously this is not viable at other parks since there are not as many attractions.

 

[SmallWorld71]

Let me just say, the system is easy to use. If you can post on a message board this system won't be hard to use. Also, getting fast passes are easier to get and you don't have to wait an hour and plan your day around being near a machine to get them. I think there is a need to vent and I get it for the "Super Users" who needed multiple passes. For people like you and sorta me (I was on the Super User side as well) you won't see it as a bad system. Picking a ride and the time is just like picking an ADR. I'm more shocked people complaining who've never tried it.

Honestly, I think once the dust settles, my trips will look about the same. I am very confident that I will be able to use the system to best suit my family.
That said, I really don't like the way things have gone with having to book things in advance. I loved the days when we could just decide what park we wanted to go to that day. I loved being able to book my ADR's the same day for things like Chef Mickey's and HDDR.
We ended up having to cancel our February trip (having nothing to do with FP+). But, prior to that I spent HOURS trying to get the ADR's and FP's that we wanted. I used to just plan a trip a couple months out and have no problems. I miss that!

And, I know the OP is hoping that the new FP+ system will help a lot of people. I'm just not seeing that. The ignorant will remain ignorant. They'll be the ones getting FP+ for Muppets or Figment or not even knowing to get them at all. No matter how Disney presents it, the advantage will always go to those in the know. (IMO)

 

[morethananyonex]

Your answer is correct. They have a right to complain and I have a right to say they sound very entitled. I really want to know the thought process behind how many FP would have been enough to save their fire.

And when you use that right to liken people who miss the system to the people who paid people with disabilities to tour with them to gain front of the line access, don't be surprised when people comment on the ridiculousness of the comparison.

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

But the problem is that 3 FP+ followed by waiting in standby lines for the rest of the day isn't going to make a "magical" day for most visitors. Marginally better for some of the previously clueless guests? Maybe. Significantly worse for previous FP-users in the know? Definitely.

So now instead of some people having an awesome time (and subsequently telling all their friends and family how amazing Disney is) and others having a terrible time, we have everyone having a "meh...that was ok but I don't feel the need to rush back anytime soon" time. Yay?? Are we supposed to be happy about that?

IMO that is a bizarre thing to shoot for as a company.

Oh, and before someone points out that having just 3 FP+ w/tiering is perfectly wonderful for some people, I would wager that those same people are the ones who claim they "never needed or used FP- anyway" and were simply content to "stand in line enjoying the company of their family members" while "soaking up the atmosphere." So those people are a wash as far as FP+ is concerned.

Bottom line from my perspective? FP+ stinks.

 

[DisneyKentucky]

And when you use that right to liken people who miss the system to the people who paid people with disabilities to tour with them to gain front of the line access, don't be surprised when people comment on the ridiculousness of the comparison.

Sense of Entitlement is entitlement. Comparing their sense of entitlement was not wrong at all. Saying you won't support Disney because you are entitled to more FP than others is maybe not in the same book but, in the same spirit.

People have got to see that it's not just about how many rides you ride. Heck, some of the best memories can be made waiting in a line.