Pat Roberston stirring up a storm again

[luvthatduke]

Sorry to see the political debates,
but very interesting to read the articles on Chavez.

I continue to stand with the others who are appalled at PR's comments.
Once again he spun before seeing the need to apologize
as being advantageous for himself.

To those who wonder why, I, a Christian,
am not more "charitable" - it has nothing to do with being without sin.
The last line of my earlier post applies to me,
and while PR's sins are no greater than mine,
I do not make an earnest attempt to "spin" my sins.

Believe me, if/when I habitually sin privately,
the Lord would (& does) convict my heart.
If I were to do the same thing publicly, without showing
remorse, or worse yet what is perceived as false remorse,
then my prayer is that my friends both private and public would
exhort me to change my ways, and also that they would
let non-Christians know that my actions and reactions were
not condoned by them, (again if my sins were committed publicly).

Also, I have not been given access to a great many people
who not only desire to follow me, but also financially support me,
so that I could, like PR, continually speak to them no matter
how atrocious and outright dangerous my opinions became.

Reading one of the links here I copied this (emphasis mine):
"And Venezuela's ambassador to the United States, Bernardo Alvarez, said Robertson was "no ordinary private citizen" and demanded the White House strongly condemn the remarks."
Staying out of the political debate, I agree 100% with that statement.

I'll add that I believe with all my heart that Jesus would be in Pat's studio
turning over PR's "moneychanging" tables!
I believe Paul, as well, would not be sitting quietly as PR
"mis-spoke" or was "taken out of context once again."
Paul would be writing his own letter "To the Teachers of the 700 Club,"
akin to his letters to the early churches, setting them straight
in how they were to teach and the importance of admitting their sins
without "spinning."

Pat Robertson uses his bully pulpit in order to hear his own voice,
and I agree w/others - he needs to silence himself & go live a private life.

 

[ThAnswr]

Sorry to see the political debates,
but very interesting to read the articles on Chavez.

I continue to stand with the others who are appalled at PR's comments.
Once again he spun before seeing the need to apologize
as being advantageous for himself.

To those who wonder why, I, a Christian,
am not more "charitable" - it has nothing to do with being without sin.
The last line of my earlier post applies to me,
and while PR's sins are no greater than mine,
I do not make an earnest attempt to "spin" my sins.

Believe me, if/when I habitually sin privately,
the Lord would (& does) convict my heart.
If I were to do the same thing publicly, without showing
remorse, or worse yet what is perceived as false remorse,
then my prayer is that my friends both private and public would
exhort me to change my ways, and also that they would
let non-Christians know that my actions and reactions were
not condoned by them, (again if my sins were committed publicly).

Also, I have not been given access to a great many people
who not only desire to follow me, but also financially support me,
so that I could, like PR, continually speak to them no matter
how atrocious and outright dangerous my opinions became.

Reading one of the links here I copied this (emphasis mine):
"And Venezuela's ambassador to the United States, Bernardo Alvarez, said Robertson was "no ordinary private citizen" and demanded the White House strongly condemn the remarks."
Staying out of the political debate, I agree 100% with that statement.

I'll add that I believe with all my heart that Jesus would be in Pat's studio
turning over PR's "moneychanging" tables!
I believe Paul, as well, would not be sitting quietly as PR
"mis-spoke" or was "taken out of context once again."
Paul would be writing his own letter "To the Teachers of the 700 Club,"
akin to his letters to the early churches, setting them straight
in how they were to teach and the importance of admitting their sins
without "spinning."

Pat Robertson uses his bully pulpit in order to hear his own voice,
and I agree w/others - he needs to silence himself & go live a private life.

Very well said and spoken from the heart. Thank you.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

My theory is that Robertson comes up with these outrageous comments whenever his 700 Club fund-raising starts to lag or when he needs a quick infusion of cash. It's late summer and typically a very slow time for charities. So Robertson does what he needs to do to capture free media exposure. There's no such thing as bad PR, is there?

Now 2 days later Robertson offers a dissembling apology for calling for Chavez's assassination. All this does is extend the free media exposure for another day or so. It energizes his extremist base, pumps in some quick cash so they can pay their bills and then they quietly slip back into their oblivion until the next cash crisis.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

It's so comforting to know that 2 people (you and I), who are so often on opposite ends of the political spectrum can find common ground.

Maybe there's hope after all....

Or maybe I am trying to mellow with age. Who'd have thought I'd end up on the same side with you, ThAnswr and DisDuck on the SAME day?!?!

 

[Tigger_Magic]

DawnCT, now that Pat Robertson has issued his backtracking apology for his absurd statement, when can we expect yours? Or did we all take your comments supporting Robertson and further calling for the assassination of Castro out of context?

At least Robertson has the courage to say "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."

What was your excuse?

 

[ThAnswr]

Or maybe I am trying to mellow with age. Who'd have thought I'd end up on the same side with you, ThAnswr and DisDuck on the SAME day?!?!

Whoa, got me reeling.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Whoa, got me reeling.

Take several deep cleansing breaths. Picture calm blue water, tropical breezes, drinks with little umbrellas.

Now, to snap back to reality, just remind yourself that T_M is really a right-wing nut case who is having his one brief moment of clarity. By tomorrow morning things will be back to normal and we'll be at polar opposites again.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Take several deep cleansing breaths. Picture calm blue water, tropical breezes, drinks with little umbrellas.

Now, to snap back to reality, just remind yourself that T_M is really a right-wing nut case who is having his one brief moment of clarity. By tomorrow morning things will be back to normal and we'll be at polar opposites again.

Thank god!! This love fest is puke inducing at best!!

 

[DawnCt1]

DawnCT, now that Pat Robertson has issued his backtracking apology for his absurd statement, when can we expect yours? Or did we all take your comments supporting Robertson and further calling for the assassination of Castro out of context?

At least Robertson has the courage to say "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."

What was your excuse?

Perhaps it would behove you to go back to the very first page of this thread in which I said that I had a problem with anyone calling for the assassination of anyone from the pulpit and that it rang of Mullah's calling for Jihad. I also said that if he met with an untimely death, I wouldn't be heartbroken. You want me to apologize for wishing him into the cornfield? No, I don't think so.

 

[DawnCt1]

Ouch. I definately have a problem with anyone from the pulpit calling for an assassination. It rings of Mullahs calling for jihad. Having said that however, I wouldn't mind if Chavez "tripped and fell", "got a bad ice cube", suffered from "acute lead poisoning", etc. It would be nice if a good citizen of Venezuela stepped up to the plate but its not a foreign policy that we should advertize. Is 007 around??

Here you go Tigger_Magic. Just to put you in touch with the first page again.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Thank god!! This love fest is puke inducing at best!!

Good grief... I just spewed Cheerios all over my keyboard.

Not to worry... I have the best technicians money can buy working to help me start channeling Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et. al. again. I thought I had it last night, but the best I could get was Greta Van Susteren and her fixation with some young Dutch boy.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Perhaps it would behove you to go back to the very first page of this thread in which I said that I had a problem with anyone calling for the assassination of anyone from the pulpit and that it rang of Mullah's calling for Jihad. I also said that if he met with an untimely death, I wouldn't be heartbroken. You want me to apologize for wishing him into the cornfield? No, I don't think so.

Gee DawnCT1, I hope you don't trip over your flip-flops on this thread. Let's see what else you've said here...

That would be a hope. I do hope that whoever decides to take Chavez out, takes good old Fidel right along with him. We can all feign horrified shock and then celebrate. It wouldn't break my heart. We could attribute it to a "nutty follower". Sounds like a plan to me!

That's not calling for someone to be assassinated?

I must have been "channeling" because I didn't get to hear Rush yesterday. I guess great minds think alike! Would I be upset if some Venezuelan, or someone "disguised as a Venezuelan" took Fidel and Hugo out? Not for a nano second. I would expect that we (our country) would say all of the appropriate things, expressing condolences to the appropriate people, etc....with our fingers crossed firmly behind our backs.

A clever use of words, but the sentiment is abundantly clear.

Yes Peachgirl. I believe I was one who was disappointed that when Fidel went flying off of the stage a few years ago, that it wasn't the end of him. I believe that is where my "death wishing" history began. I haven't had an opportunity to "exercise" it lately but while I am at it, would you be offended if I added Kim Jong Il and maybe a few controlling Mullahs in Iran? BYW, I wouldn't put those thugs under the category of "people Dawn disagrees with". I would put them under the category of abhorant individuals.

So if you really do have a problem with someone's calling for someone else's assassination, maybe you'd like to go back and edit some of your subsequent posts on this thread, because you are having some serious problems with consistency.

But I am sure this is all easily explained as your thoughts being taken out of context.

 

[DawnCt1]

Gee DawnCT1, I hope you don't trip over your flip-flops on this thread. Let's see what else you've said here... That's not calling for someone to be assassinated?
A clever use of words, but the sentiment is abundantly clear. So if you really do have a problem with someone's calling for someone else's assassination, maybe you'd like to go back and edit some of your subsequent posts on this thread, because you are having some serious problems with consistency.

But I am sure this is all easily explained as your thoughts being taken out of context.

I quite clearly have a problem with anyone calling for an assassination from the pulpit, or a government office or a public forum. That is quite different than recognizing that these thugs would not be missed by the world and in fact, their demise would be welcomed. That is clearly quite different than calling for their assassination. There is no crime, nor a reason to apologize for wishful thinking.

 

[peachgirl]

I quite clearly have a problem with anyone calling for an assassination from the pulpit, or a government office or a public forum.

Oh that's ever so much better!

As long as they do it quietly it's ok. You know, gather a group of like minded people together and plan the murder of those who don't agree with you politically. Then strap a bomb on your back and head off to do the job...

Help me out here.....What does that remind you of?????

 

[DawnCt1]

Oh that's ever so much better!

As long as they do it quietly it's ok. You know, gather a group of like minded people together and plan the murder of those who don't agree with you politically. Then strap a bomb on your back and head off to do the job...

Help me out here.....What does that remind you of?????

Another huge leap Peachgirl. Do I need to spell out every scenario to make it clear to you that assassination shouldn't be a part of our foreign policy. Let me see, lets go down the list; No pulpits, no government offices, no movie stars, no college campuses, high schools, or any other public school for that matter. No secret meetings plotting the demise of evil leaders, etc
What did I leave out? I am sure you will find it. I wasn't aware however that wishing that some of the most evil, repressive leaders, who remain a threat to world peace, would vanish from the planet, that one would need to apologize for it. The hate speech from the left, directed at our own president makes your protests sound ridiculous. Do you afford the same consideration for those who "wish" that the likes of Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, et al, get the death penalty or are they "evil" too?.

 

[peachgirl]

What did I leave out? I am sure you will find it.

As long as you include private individuals, I think you've covered it. However, it is the one group you left out both times.

I wasn't aware however that wishing that some of the most evil, repressive leaders, who remain a threat to world peace, would vanish from the planet, that one would need to apologize for it.

That would be your opinion, not fact. There are people who wish death on the U.S. that have beliefs that they feel justify their hatred, actions and wishes just as you think your beliefs justify yours. If you believe like them, you're no better than they are. You can soften it by saying "vanish from the planet", "go away", "fall off a cliff" or however you want to, but what you're saying is you want them dead.

Chavez, as you know, was elected by the people of Venezuela and still has the backing of a majority of the citizens that live there....Don't you wish Bu$h could say the same thing?

Do you afford the same consideration for those who "wish" that the likes of Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, et al, get the death penalty or are they "evil" too?

No. In case you aren't aware, the death penalty is legal in this country. Hoping that someone receives a legal punishment is perfectly fine with me.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

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The reason Joe doesn't get the link to the facts is that everytime he asks for proof, I give it to him...just as I did the other day with the Department of Defense statistics (you don't want to argue with stats from the DOD do you??)...then, when I go to to trouble of proving him wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, he simply runs away without ever acknowledging he was proven wrong.

Not true.

 

[ThAnswr]

Take several deep cleansing breaths. Picture calm blue water, tropical breezes, drinks with little umbrellas

Now, to snap back to reality, just remind yourself that T_M is really a right-wing nut case who is having his one brief moment of clarity. By tomorrow morning things will be back to normal and we'll be at polar opposites again.

I'm feeling better already.

 

[DawnCt1]

No. In case you aren't aware, the death penalty is legal in this country. Hoping that someone receives a legal punishment is perfectly fine with me.

But hoping the same for repressive dictators is somehow wrong? Sounds hypocritical to me.

 

[sodaseller]

But hoping the same for repressive dictators is somehow wrong? Sounds hypocritical to me.

Only if you don't believe in due process of law, the cornerstone of modern Western law