Park Exits

[wn01aa]

Hello.

I was at Disneyworld back in December and am going back again this December. I was wondering if magicbands are scanned when exiting the park (I can't remember). If not, how do they know when people leave and keep an accurate account of how many people are in the park (for capacity reasons).

Thanks.

 

[princess sunshine]

Hi,

I can answer the first part of your question-no, they do not scan the magic bands as you exit the park. Unfortunately I'm not sure of the answer to the second question about how they track when you leave. Have a wonderful visit when you return in December

 

[jco_direwolf]

Umm I bet they do scan them on exit. Not light up mickey head, but they have area scanners that can query a bunch of bands at once. They have them all over even at places like WoD.

My guess is they use a combination of the broad area scanners, and passage sensors though the gates set for exit. They use to use the turn styles, remember how they didn't use to let people tailgate though the stroller gate, adn the CM would clock people out by turning it.

 

[Mr. Pig]

Disney has always had a capacity long before there were Magic Bands and not everyone has one now. When you go out through the exits either turnstiles or sensors will count the number of people going through them.
As far as the actual guest population in a park I'm sure it's never going to be exact.

 

[gratefulfred]

I believe they are tracking you the whole time. The magic band and the new type of rfid ticket can be tracked and has all your info linked too it including fingerprint. So even if you don't have a band you do have an rfid chip in your ticket.

 

[jco_direwolf]

]As far as the actual guest population in a park I'm sure it's never going to be exact.

During an operating day, that is true.

But yea I bet with 40 years of numbers, they are within a fraction of a 1% of the right number.

 

[jco_direwolf]

I believe they are tracking you the whole time. The magic band and the new type of rfid ticket can be tracked and has all your info linked too it including fingerprint. So even if you don't have a band you do have an rfid chip in your ticket.

There is no "new type of RFID" in the cards or the bands. The cards are just like the HID card you likely have to get into your office. They are just a regular commercial off the shelf (COTS) RFID card that has some custom printing on it.

The bands have 3 RFIDs in them, 2 passive ones (the same type sort that are in the cards.) and 1 active RFID (which is really not new, I did logistics for a couple of years about 93 and shipping companies where using active RFID tags then on containers.) The active tag is why it's got a FCC ID on the back, and it had to be approved.

The cards which are totally passive don't need one.

 

[Mr. Pig]

I believe they are tracking you the whole time. The magic band and the new type of rfid ticket can be tracked and has all your info linked too it including fingerprint. So even if you don't have a band you do have an rfid chip in your ticket.

But the RFID in the ticket is not an "active" type like the bands so it would have to get real close (probably closer than an inch) to a sensor to detect it. I don't think a ticket in a pocket would be trackable.

 

[jco_direwolf]

But the RFID in the ticket is not an "active" type like the bands so it would have to get real close (probably closer than an inch) to a sensor to detect it. I don't think a ticket in a pocket would be trackable.

With the right equipment, antennas, and some RF Electrical Engineers you can read passive RFID from a good distance. The guys at Defcon have read a standard passive RFID from I think 60-70 feet away, using hacked up equipment in a low noise environment.

Quick google search turned up a couple of companies that offer Ultra-Long Range readers that with a passive credit card can read 15+ feet. And that is COTS, you can buy those today. And a few more clicks, wow you can BUY today right now in-stock, a passive RFID reader that is handheld that works at 5 feet. The 15 feet one is for a stationary mounted one.

 

[Altoqueenkelly]

It is not that difficult to do a capture of guests leaving. Most (if not all) retail stores have the same system. It counts how many people enter the store and then that number is used against how many sales are made and it is a way for the store to track what they call "conversion". We always were being talked to about our "conversion" rates when i worked mall retail. Its really not difficult nor is it very technically advanced to set up. I'm sure Disney has been using these systems for as long as they have been around (decades I believe)

 

[ParrotBill]

I believe they are tracking you the whole time. The magic band and the new type of rfid ticket can be tracked and has all your info linked too it including fingerprint. So even if you don't have a band you do have an rfid chip in your ticket.

The active RFID tag can only be read within a few feet, so they can't track you constantly, but the more sensors they put up the more they can construct your movements. I am sure they are starting to scan your presence at stores so they can consider why you did not unload your pockets there!

And to be clear, the gate sensors don't capture a fingerprint. it's a biometric measurement of your finger.

Don't be afraid to give Mickey the finger when you enter the park each day!

 

[Robo]

1- And to be clear, the gate sensors don't capture a fingerprint. it's a biometric measurement of your finger.

2- Don't be afraid to give Mickey the finger when you enter the park each day!

1- Sorry, but that is no longer the case.
(That used to be what was measured back when they were using the "two-finger scanners.")

Now, they do sense the finger-print, but do NOT record the print.
They just give the shape a mathematical calculation based on a few key points and assign a simple number for that calculation.

If each successive scan yields that same calculated number, the Mickey head turns green.

2- Agreed.

 

[wdwrich]

Don't be afraid to give Mickey the finger when you enter the park each day!

 

[flatlandcycle]

Don't give pirates the finger, because dead fingers sign no tales.