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Our family (DW, DS 14, and DD 18) just returned from an amazing, two-week trip to Japan where we visited TDL, TDS, and USJ. In spite of the growing tourism, it was difficult to find to find all of the information that we needed, so I wanted to share that with you in addition to our experiences. Please feel free to ask any questions.
This first installment details our trip planning. We have never done an ABD trip and are unlikely ever to do one, mainly for the high premium charged for both the Disney name and service which seems to be the hallmark of these guided tours. However, DW likes to copy the itinerary of ABD trips when it suits us. We did not follow the specifics of their activities but loosely copied their overall structure of the trip:
6/29: Left LAX
6/30: Arrived Osaka
7/1: Hiroshima
7/2: Kyoto
7/3: USJ
7/4: Ryokan in Takayama area
7/5-7/6: Odawara
7/7: Tokyo
7/8: TDS
7/9: TDL
7/10: TDS in AM, TDL in PM
7/11-12: Tokyo
7/13: Returned home
I am a miles-and-points hobbyist, so that played an important role in airfare and hotels. Our trip planning begin once I booked the outband award flight. The redemption highlight was snagging Delta One seats for all of us for only 60,000 each way on the LAX-HND serviced by Delta’s newest aircraft, the A350. I booked them through Virgin Atlantic’s Flying Club program. DW and I were able to earn all those points without one single flight because Flying Club is a partner with so many currencies, including Amex’s Membership Miles and Citi’s Thank You points. We also both got the Flying Club MC when there was a 90,000 sign-up bonus. Considering that Delta wanted 300,000 Skymiles for each leg, getting four seats for both segments for only 480,000 was the best redemption I have ever managed.
I booked the Intercontinental Osaka for the first four nights of our trip. DW and I both have IHG’s Chase cards. With the sign-up offers on these cards, we were able to take advantage of the fourth night free on award bookings with the premium version of the card. At 60,000 points per night and the fourth night free, this was another terrific redemption since the hotel was charging $1,000 a night for these rooms at the time of the booking. Because of our party size, the hotel required that we book two rooms for each night.
We chose the same Odawara hotel as used by ABD, the Hilton. This hotel also required that we book two rooms. They were charging 60,000 points per room on Friday, which rose to 95,000 points on Saturday. We both have Amex Hilton co-branded cards and used our free night certificates for spending 15,000 on the card to cover the free nights on Saturday, and I used Hilton Honors points to cover the lower redemption rate on Friday.
The final points redemption was our last three nights in Tokyo. I chose the Grand Hyatt with the club upgrade for 33,000 per night. The Grand also required that we use two rooms each night. All of the Tokyo-area Hyatt hotels had award nights for that period, and I also could have stayed at the Conrad. I chose the Grand Hyatt because as a family, we enjoy club lounges, which both save on breakfast expenses and are convenient, and from what I read, the Grand Hyatt has a nicer lounge than the Conrad. The Rappongi Hills location of the Grand Hyatt also seemed more desirable for us. We were able to get the required points by both cancelling our Hyatt Gold Passport Chase Visas and successfully applying for World of Hyatt Visas and its high sign-up bonus during the brief window before Chase’s strict 5/24 application limits were imposed.
I paid for the remaining hotel nights out-of-pocket. As DVC members, we always stay on property when visiting DL or WDW, and we had a wonderful Castle Club room when we visited Disneyland Paris several years ago. We knew that we wanted to stay on property for the Disneyland part of this Japan trip, and the main question was whether we would get a package or not. Of all the aspects of planning, there were the least amount of reviews for people who had booked packages. I was finally swayed to splurge for a two-night package by the TripAdvisor review where the reviewer stated that she found the bonus FPs included in the package to be “worth their weight in gold.” Even though she went during a more peak season, I decided that a package would enable us to hopefully minimize lines. The Mira Costa was sold out for packages, so I chose a Beauty and the Beast room for my second choice, the Disneyland hotel.
With only two nights left unaccounted for, I chose the Sheraton Grande Tokyo Bay. While I initially considered using free night certificates from our credit cards, I decided to splurge on the Japanese suite, which besides allowing us all to stay in the same room, also included private use of the hotel’s yu yu, essentially an onsen that uses city water instead of mineral springs. I chose the non-refundable rate because it was the cheapest.
As we got closer to the trip, on a whim, I checked the availability of the Mira Costa for the 7th, not expecting much given the hotel’s legendary reputation of selling out within minutes of the opening of the booking window. However, there were rooms available, and I again splurged on a partial Mediterranean harbor view.
There are obviously nowhere near the available resources for booking a TDR trip as there are for WDW. The heaviest resource that I leaned on was Chris Nilghe, who created the TDR Explorer webpage and podcast, the latter with his co-host Trish. I listened to most of their podcasts during the year which led up to our trip, though as their focus spread from only the Japanese parks to the other two Disney parks in Asia, I skipped more of the main episodes. As a $15 monthly Patreon contributor, I also enjoyed the monthly bonus episodes. In addition to purchasing Chris’ e-books on TDR and USJ, I also purchased a $100 private session which was conducted through Skype during one of his visits to his family home in Canada.
Another decision was booking tours. Chris recommended Maction Tours, so we booked private tours in Hiroshima, Kyoto, and two days in Tokyo. I could have booked with Mac himself or one of his trained guides, and following Chris’ recommendation, we splurged (I know, that word again) on Mac.
Finally, there was the decision about the JR rail passes. Initially I made the mistake to purchase a two-week pass. Only after I got them did I think about our needs enough to realize that there was only an 8-day period when we would be riding bullet trains. As a result, I returned the passes and purchased 7-day ones instead. The penalty was $15 per person plus the initial cost of shipping. Still, the savings more than exceeded this expense. I decided to again splurge on the green cars.
In the next installment, we’ll start the trip.
This first installment details our trip planning. We have never done an ABD trip and are unlikely ever to do one, mainly for the high premium charged for both the Disney name and service which seems to be the hallmark of these guided tours. However, DW likes to copy the itinerary of ABD trips when it suits us. We did not follow the specifics of their activities but loosely copied their overall structure of the trip:
6/29: Left LAX
6/30: Arrived Osaka
7/1: Hiroshima
7/2: Kyoto
7/3: USJ
7/4: Ryokan in Takayama area
7/5-7/6: Odawara
7/7: Tokyo
7/8: TDS
7/9: TDL
7/10: TDS in AM, TDL in PM
7/11-12: Tokyo
7/13: Returned home
I am a miles-and-points hobbyist, so that played an important role in airfare and hotels. Our trip planning begin once I booked the outband award flight. The redemption highlight was snagging Delta One seats for all of us for only 60,000 each way on the LAX-HND serviced by Delta’s newest aircraft, the A350. I booked them through Virgin Atlantic’s Flying Club program. DW and I were able to earn all those points without one single flight because Flying Club is a partner with so many currencies, including Amex’s Membership Miles and Citi’s Thank You points. We also both got the Flying Club MC when there was a 90,000 sign-up bonus. Considering that Delta wanted 300,000 Skymiles for each leg, getting four seats for both segments for only 480,000 was the best redemption I have ever managed.
I booked the Intercontinental Osaka for the first four nights of our trip. DW and I both have IHG’s Chase cards. With the sign-up offers on these cards, we were able to take advantage of the fourth night free on award bookings with the premium version of the card. At 60,000 points per night and the fourth night free, this was another terrific redemption since the hotel was charging $1,000 a night for these rooms at the time of the booking. Because of our party size, the hotel required that we book two rooms for each night.
We chose the same Odawara hotel as used by ABD, the Hilton. This hotel also required that we book two rooms. They were charging 60,000 points per room on Friday, which rose to 95,000 points on Saturday. We both have Amex Hilton co-branded cards and used our free night certificates for spending 15,000 on the card to cover the free nights on Saturday, and I used Hilton Honors points to cover the lower redemption rate on Friday.
The final points redemption was our last three nights in Tokyo. I chose the Grand Hyatt with the club upgrade for 33,000 per night. The Grand also required that we use two rooms each night. All of the Tokyo-area Hyatt hotels had award nights for that period, and I also could have stayed at the Conrad. I chose the Grand Hyatt because as a family, we enjoy club lounges, which both save on breakfast expenses and are convenient, and from what I read, the Grand Hyatt has a nicer lounge than the Conrad. The Rappongi Hills location of the Grand Hyatt also seemed more desirable for us. We were able to get the required points by both cancelling our Hyatt Gold Passport Chase Visas and successfully applying for World of Hyatt Visas and its high sign-up bonus during the brief window before Chase’s strict 5/24 application limits were imposed.
I paid for the remaining hotel nights out-of-pocket. As DVC members, we always stay on property when visiting DL or WDW, and we had a wonderful Castle Club room when we visited Disneyland Paris several years ago. We knew that we wanted to stay on property for the Disneyland part of this Japan trip, and the main question was whether we would get a package or not. Of all the aspects of planning, there were the least amount of reviews for people who had booked packages. I was finally swayed to splurge for a two-night package by the TripAdvisor review where the reviewer stated that she found the bonus FPs included in the package to be “worth their weight in gold.” Even though she went during a more peak season, I decided that a package would enable us to hopefully minimize lines. The Mira Costa was sold out for packages, so I chose a Beauty and the Beast room for my second choice, the Disneyland hotel.
With only two nights left unaccounted for, I chose the Sheraton Grande Tokyo Bay. While I initially considered using free night certificates from our credit cards, I decided to splurge on the Japanese suite, which besides allowing us all to stay in the same room, also included private use of the hotel’s yu yu, essentially an onsen that uses city water instead of mineral springs. I chose the non-refundable rate because it was the cheapest.
As we got closer to the trip, on a whim, I checked the availability of the Mira Costa for the 7th, not expecting much given the hotel’s legendary reputation of selling out within minutes of the opening of the booking window. However, there were rooms available, and I again splurged on a partial Mediterranean harbor view.
There are obviously nowhere near the available resources for booking a TDR trip as there are for WDW. The heaviest resource that I leaned on was Chris Nilghe, who created the TDR Explorer webpage and podcast, the latter with his co-host Trish. I listened to most of their podcasts during the year which led up to our trip, though as their focus spread from only the Japanese parks to the other two Disney parks in Asia, I skipped more of the main episodes. As a $15 monthly Patreon contributor, I also enjoyed the monthly bonus episodes. In addition to purchasing Chris’ e-books on TDR and USJ, I also purchased a $100 private session which was conducted through Skype during one of his visits to his family home in Canada.
Another decision was booking tours. Chris recommended Maction Tours, so we booked private tours in Hiroshima, Kyoto, and two days in Tokyo. I could have booked with Mac himself or one of his trained guides, and following Chris’ recommendation, we splurged (I know, that word again) on Mac.
Finally, there was the decision about the JR rail passes. Initially I made the mistake to purchase a two-week pass. Only after I got them did I think about our needs enough to realize that there was only an 8-day period when we would be riding bullet trains. As a result, I returned the passes and purchased 7-day ones instead. The penalty was $15 per person plus the initial cost of shipping. Still, the savings more than exceeded this expense. I decided to again splurge on the green cars.
In the next installment, we’ll start the trip.