OT: LOST fans?

[Joshua_me]

"Don't let anybody try to tell you who YOU are..."

-Hurly​

That's the point of the entire show for me....

 

[Gelfling_Jen]

The ending left me with a happy feeling after seeing them all reunited and although there are so many unanswered questions I think they did a pretty good job of wrapping it up. At least it answered that the flash sideways wasn't an alternate timeline afterall...it was their afterlife but they didn't know it yet. I think once people accept this (which is difficult considering this whole season we have been made to feel as though the flash sideways time and island time will come together somehow) the ending will make more sense and will be easier to swallow.

We also have to assume that Hurley and Ben were watching over the island for quite some time as Hurley said to Ben you were a good number 2 and Ben said to Hurley you were a good number 1 (as in Hurley being the main protector of the island and Ben being his sidekick). Eventually someone probably showed up on the island and took the job over from them as it has always been. Claire and Kate most likely went back to Raise Aaron. Richard Alpert became mortal and was finally happy to be alive and probably enjoyed whatever life he could live off the island, finally having the chance to grow old like everyone else. I don't think Sawyer and Kate ended up together considering how Kate and Jack kissed at the end, right in front of Sawyer, and when they were on the plane Sawyer was sitting on his own looking out the window and Kate was sitting next to Claire and holding her hand.

I'm not really sure why they had to kill Jack though, and why he insisted on being the one to fix the island in the end. Desmond volunteered and wouldn't it make more sense if he did it? He didn't die when he pulled the stone out of the ground so why would he die if he were the one to put it back in? If Desmond did it then maybe they both could have lived but maybe they wouldn't have been able to make it to the plane in time anyway.

I think I better sleep on it for now and think about it some more tomorrow!

 

[Gelfling_Jen]

"Don't let anybody try to tell you who YOU are..."

-Hurly​

That's the point of the entire show for me....

Good thinking!!! Too bad Ben didn't get that from everything, or else maybe he would have felt good enough about himself to join everyone in the end.

 

[DavidandLeahZ]

Okay, I am ticked. I am really ticked. I did not like this at all. Mainly because so many questions were simply ignored.

What was the island? What was it's purpose? What was the smoke monster? The others? What was the purpose of the Widmore storyline? I mean, were they trying to say that they all died in the original crash or something? What the heck?! But some people at the end were not on the plane so that can't be it. I mean, there are so many questions I could ask that I could go on and on, but instead I am going to bed.

It seems like the writers brought up too many questions to actually answer and got all lazy. I mean, haven't they been planning the end of this show for a few years?! Wasn't the point of that so it could be concluded properly?!!

I could actually kick my tv right now. I feel like Linus when he realized the Great Pumpkin was not coming and he missed trick or treating.

I have been waiting giving them the benefit of the doubt all season and then this?! I am gong to bed before I get hysterical!!

I agree....too many questions left unanswered and story lines left unexplained...though i heard that is how it was going to be so i wasn't all that shocked but still very disappointed. I do think the writers got lazy and twisted the story so much they couldn't find a way to write themselves out of it.

I know some people liked the ending but to me having an ending where "everyone eventually dies sometime" and are reunited in an afterlife was so obvious and taking an easy way out. I thought if they weren't going to give us answers that at least they would tie in what was going on the island and the alternate reality" in a creative way but they didn't even do that. In fact it did not tie into anything regarding the island at all really. Basically they tied up the craziness with the island, left it that some people left the island, some stayed and eventually everyone died at some point in their lives but then were reunited in afterlife. That to me just wasn't good enough and was lazy writing. I was happy to see characters reunite but really, alot of it was way too rushed, especially the last few minutes.

I think when you boil it down you can either (A) gripe about how nothing was answered and you devoted/dedicated/wasted 6 years and had tons of mysteries unanswered or (B) admit it wasn't perfect, but never could be and enjoy what was an amazing show.

 

[Andrea73]

I think when you boil it down you can either (A) gripe about how nothing was answered and you devoted/dedicated/wasted 6 years and had tons of mysteries unanswered or (B) admit it wasn't perfect, but never could be and enjoy what was an amazing show.

Well then I will continue to gripe darnit. The more I think about all that has happened over the years, the madder I get.

You have an island that is the heart of the show. An island with polar bears, temples, Others, it jumps people through time, it heals, it has monsters. You have people trying to find it and people trying to get away from it.

I mean, the Oceanic Six left and at one point people were in different times on the same island.

You have supernatural things happening season after season there, and then at the end, you don't give any explanation of the supernatural place. I think at the very least, the fans deserved that one answer about the island.

I enjoyed most of the show. I cried when Jin and Sun found the truth and when Sawyer and Juliet did the same. But when the show ended without any real answers about the island, I was ticked. And I still am.

So please put me in the gripe category. This is the freaking Soprano's all over again.

 

[bookworm0312]

The ending left me with a happy feeling after seeing them all reunited and although there are so many unanswered questions I think they did a pretty good job of wrapping it up. At least it answered that the flash sideways wasn't an alternate timeline afterall...it was their afterlife but they didn't know it yet.

I don't think Sawyer and Kate ended up together.

Ah! Thanks, I didn't catch that about the flash sideways being their afterlife!

I thought Sawyer found Juliet?

Anyway, I loved it, I hated it, it's over!

 

[tink576]

I'm just SOOOOO confused about that final 15 min, so was the point that they died in the Oceanic crash and were in purgatory the whole time? Or was the alternate reality purgatory and the island was not. Was that final plane we saw crashed the Ajaria flight or the original Oceanic plane? UH I feel so lost...I'll have to watch it again to try and figure it out.

 

[PEANUT1]

I'm just SOOOOO confused about that final 15 min, so was the point that they died in the Oceanic crash and were in purgatory the whole time? Or was the alternate reality purgatory and the island was not. Was that final plane we saw crashed the Ajaria flight or the original Oceanic plane? UH I feel so lost...I'll have to watch it again to try and figure it out.

I believe that Jack died after he saved the island..Hurley and Ben were then the protectors of the island. After someone else came to take over, then they died too. The sideways world was the afterlife and they were all reconecting to spend eternity together....I thought it was really beautiful.

As for the plane wreckage at the end...I am not sure about that but I do believe that Kate and the ones on the plane did get off of the island...and jack smiled as he saw the plane pass...beautiful.

 

[DavidandLeahZ]

I'm just SOOOOO confused about that final 15 min, so was the point that they died in the Oceanic crash and were in purgatory the whole time? Or was the alternate reality purgatory and the island was not. Was that final plane we saw crashed the Ajaria flight or the original Oceanic plane? UH I feel so lost...I'll have to watch it again to try and figure it out.

The "sideways" world was a sort of in-between life that they created to find each before they could all "move on."

 

[sydneysmom]

Put me in the category that thought it was a beautiful way to end it. My DH was pissed because "all the questions weren't answered". Here's the thing. it's like watching a magic show. You LOVE to see the magic happen, but it would spoil it if you knew how the trick was done. This is kind of like that.

For 6 years we've been watching a magic show. In the end, it turned out that it was all about faith and redemption. finding faith and getting redemption so you can move on. That in itself was so beautiful. But the moments when each of the pairs "found" each other and you saw how beautiful each of their lives were, you knew that they had done 'what they needed to do' in order to cross over. I cried everytime the couples had their moment last night !!! it was a life complete for them.

Personally, from what I took from the alternate world was that they had things to do in their "real life" that they had to reconcile before moving on. That's why Ana Lucia "wasn't ready" and why Ben didn't want to go yet. ( or Daniel, Charlotte) I think they still had things they needed to do before they were ready to move on. When they were on the island, this was where they could be the people they wanted to be. Locke could be stronger, Jack could save people, Kate and Sawyer could break their mold of being criminals, Jin and Sun could love. They all got a second chance.

And where Jack started as a man of science, he ended as a man of faith when he drank the water and took Jacob's place. That was Jack's redemption and he was ready to cross over. He finally stopped "thinking and analyzing" and just believed and had faith. It was really beautiful.

My DH and I were kind of going back and forth. I think you could watch the ending two ways. If you watched it for the religious undertones and "finding peace" I think that alot of questions were answered and there WAS a feeling of peace and beauty to the end. If you are very analytical, I think alot remains unanswered. You DON'T know how everything ends and why things happened the way they did or what the littlest things meant. But THAT goes along with everything the show stands for. Man of Science, Man of Faith. It's brilliant when you think about it.

IMO, I thought it really was awesome . I'm glad we DVR'ed it though... I really want to watch it again !! I'm SO sad it's over though.

 

[natale1980]

I get that the flash sideways was their version of an afterlife, but Why did Jack have to have a son? Where did he come from?

I didn't like the ending at all. If you break the 'island' story apart from the 'afterlife' story it's a bit better.

Main part:
Jack sacrificed himself to save the island and Hurley took over with Ben helping out. Kate went back home to help Claire raise Aaron. Most everyone else is dead.

Afterlife part:
Everyone dies at some point.

To be honest I don't know what they could have written to make all of us happy. It was a good show, I just don't understand why they had to bring religion into it so strongly.

-nat

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

Actually when Christian said something like "there is no here, there is no now" I think he meant they weren't there in a moment in time, but rather the alt existed outside of regular time (hence the afterlife). There were people in the church who hadn't died yet (at least we don't think so) but they are able to be there because they die sometime in the future and the moment in the church was not bound by a specific linear time. It's weird that there were "rules" in the "afterlife". I guess each person has to come to understand and "let go" through their own means-most were finding their true love but for Jack he had to "let go" of this "life" where he needed to fix everyone.

Gelfling Jen, your take is pretty much exactly what I got out of it too. Everything that happened on the island DID happen. The end/alt was about their (and more specifically Jack's) deaths. What the island is/means is still up for interpretation. They couldn't have definitely defined it-it would have been impossible to do it justice.

Jack had to recork the island because Desmond was not strong enough after uncorking it the first time. I was confused by the fact that uncorking it took away their powers and made them all mortal.

I loved the finale. I thought it was great!

 

[natale1980]

Actually when Christian said something like "there is no here, there is no now" I think he meant they weren't there in a moment in time, but rather the alt existed outside of regular time (hence the afterlife). There were people in the church who hadn't died yet (at least we don't think so) but they are able to be there because they die sometime in the future and the moment in the church was not bound by a specific linear time. It's weird that there were "rules" in the "afterlife". I guess each person has to come to understand and "let go" through their own means-most were finding their true love but for Jack he had to "let go" of this "life" where he needed to fix everyone.

I agree that they tried to make it seem like time didn't matter. But then they did weird things where time did matter. Like when Jack's neck started to bleed for no reason in the hospital while on the island Jack was fighting with the 'smoke monster'.

-nat

 

[corky441]

"Don't let anybody try to tell you who YOU are..."

-Hurly​

That's the point of the entire show for me....

Good thinking!!! Too bad Ben didn't get that from everything, or else maybe he would have felt good enough about himself to join everyone in the end.

I think Ben did get it.

IMHO - eventhough Ben was welcomed to join everyone else as they "let go". I think he stayed behind because he had to help Alex and her mother find their way. Also, I think he will be the "guide" for the others too, Richard, Miles, Charlotte and Daniel.

Even though the show is over - on the island and elsewhere - life and death go on.

I think seeing the new wreckage on the beach at the end aludes to the fact that another plane will find it's way to the island, perhaps leading to the transfer of power from Hurley to someone else

 

[Miss Monorail 1971]

It's taken me a while to process this..... But many of you have hit on it. I don't think that the flash sideways was an afterlife. It was a holding area, purgatory if you will, until they were ready to go to the afterlife. The afterlife was out the door of the church into the light. But they all needed each other. You have to throw out the concept of time which is hard since we are governed by it. They were not all dead when Jack died. Some died earlier and some died later. At that moment when we saw it there were some that still weren't ready to go. The Island meant different things to each person so you cannot define it as anything but a magical island. I think you can explain any questions you have left based on your own interpretations. But that is the point of the show. The characters were named after philosophers. The show was based on philosophy. Therefor, I think it was an ok ending.

 

[WebmasterJohn]

As for the plane wreckage at the end...I am not sure about that but I do believe that Kate and the ones on the plane did get off of the island...and jack smiled as he saw the plane pass...beautiful.

My interpretation of the plane wreckage at the end was that this was from the plane Sawyer, Kate and the others were trying to leave on.

As I said I liked the ending. It had some closure and answered some questions but left some open for people to discuss. I really like the way the writers connected people at the end - especially Sawyer and Juliet.

My only gripe is it should have been a half hour longer to provide closure on some of the other characters. I would like to know why Lapidus the pilot and Richard weren't with them in the church? Was it because Jack's father said that the experience those in the church had on the island was the most significant one of their lives and Lapidus and Richard had a different 'afterlife' experience?

I also would have liked to see Rose and Bernard in the church.

 

[WebmasterJohn]

They were not all dead when Jack died. Some died earlier and some died later.

Jack's father even said this to Jack at the coffin - something to the affect that some died before him and some will die long after.

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

My interpretation of the plane wreckage at the end was that this was from the plane Sawyer, Kate and the others were trying to leave on.



I also would have liked to see Rose and Bernard in the church.

I thought that that might possibly be the Ajira plane too.

Rose and Bernard were in the church-I thought. I am going to rewatch it to make sure.

 

[itsmuggsie]

Rose and Bernard were in the church-I thought. I am going to rewatch it to make sure.

I thought they were too.

 

[WebmasterJohn]

You're right - Rose and Barnard were in the church. I just watched that scene again and see them.