OT: ease my mind about immunizations!

And this is the kind of thinking that drives me wild, and the reason we will never move much further on this issue. Your decision isn't "common sense" - ir's just something you have made up. It has legitimate scientific evidence to refute it, and yet you and others who think like you refuse to look at the actual science, and instead make up random ideas and tout them as worthy.

Feel free to make your own decision about vaccines, or any other parenting issue for that matter, but stop making up stuff and trying to pass it off as real.

Actually, until recently there has not been a full out study examining the saftey of giving multiple vaccines at the same time.

Interestingly, there seems to be some evidence now that children that receive the new proquad vaccine (MMR + Chicken Pox) are have more serious side effects than those that get them separately and they are moving towards recommending to NOT use the proquad vaccine.

I need to go figure out where I read that...I believe it was in an article I read last week. I'll check and edit my post w/ the info.

FWIW (and I posted this earlier in the thread) MMR has never contained thimerisol but one of the theories that is out there is when children recieved the MMR in addition to other vaccines that did contain thimerisol...that may have been an issue.

I'm just sharing the theory... I'm not sure what the trigger is.
 
To do over, I would have done a very delayed schedule of immunizations for both of my kids. I was a young, single mom with DS and was blind about things. With DD, I did delay a few. But since having her I have read up on vaccines more and totally agree with a delayed schedule. For one, if your child, God forbid, has a reaction, how are you going to know which vaccine caused it when they are getting so many at once?

I am a licensed DCP in Indiana and I have had parents ask me about delaying. I tell them they have to go with their guts on this one. If a parent does delay, it states on the form the dr fills out to check mark they are in the process of receiving age appropriate vaccines. I have yet to have my licensing agent say anything about that. As long as the form is signed, that is all they care about. But I am told that if there is an outbreak and the child has not received all of the vaxes then the child must be excluded from child care until the outbreak is over.
 
"You misstated facts as a scare tactic."

Please tell me what facts that I have misstated.


(btw… while in the past a fetus might have been used for research and development of vaccines aborted fetuses are not used in the production of viruses… just another scare tactic)

Again, not a scare tactic. Just trying to educate. Many people don't know that human diploid cells were used to develope some common vaccines. It may not be an issue to you, but some people do get upset by this due to their religeiouse beliefs. See below:

What is the Church's teaching about the use of certain vaccines that have a distant historical association with abortion?

There are a number of vaccines that are made in descendent cells of aborted fetuses. We should always ask our physician whether the product he proposes for our use has an historical association with abortion. We should use an alternative vaccine if one is available.

What does it mean when we say that these products are made in "descendent cells"?

Descendent cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendent cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim's body.

How does one know when a particular vaccine has an association with abortion?

The cell lines WI-38 and MRC-5 are derived from tissue from aborted fetuses. Any product grown in the WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines, therefore, has a distant association with abortion. The cells in these lines have gone through multiple divisions before they are used in vaccine manufacture. After manufacture, the vaccines are removed from the cell lines and purified. One cannot accurately say that the vaccines contain any of the cells from the original abortion.

What does one do if a physician recommends one of these vaccines?

Sometimes alternative products, which are not associated with these cell lines, are available for immunization against certain diseases. For example, there is a rabies vaccine (RabAvert) and a single dose mumps vaccine (Mumpsvax) without any association with abortion that are equally safe and effective. If doing so is practical, you should ask your physician to use an alternative vaccine, but there is no moral obligation to use products that are less effective or inaccessible. Parents should check with their physician regarding the efficacy and availability of these and any other vaccine.

Are there any vaccines for which there are no alternatives?

Unfortunately, at present there are no alternative vaccines available in the United States against rubella (German measles), varicella (chickenpox), and hepatitis A. All of these are grown in the cell lines WI-38 and/or MRC-5. (See note #7 of the statement of the Pontifical Academy for Life for a listing of vaccines and their source).
 
"I'm waiting to see your source....."

This is the most comprehensive list of vaccine ingredients that I could find:

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/


As far as ingredients being laughably harmless. Maybe a little of one or another wouldn't hurt a someone, but we are talking about injection over 30 shots by the time you're child is a toddler. They all contain a multitude of ingredients. We aren't talking about working around these things, or having them in the home, we are talking about injecting them into a child. No one knows that they are completely safe, because there has never been a study to determine how these vaccines interact when given in multiple doses. Again in 1983, there were only four shots given. The vaccine list has only grown to over 30 in the last 24 years. No one knows what the long term affects are yet.

Every parents has to decide what is right for their child. I do not look badly upon parents who choose to vaccinate. My oldest is fully vaccinated. It wasn't until my second child had severe reactions to his vaccines that I started my research and made the best choice for us. You do the research and decide what is best for you.
 

"I'm waiting to see your source....."

This is the most comprehensive list of vaccine ingredients that I could find:

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/


As far as ingredients being laughably harmless. Maybe a little of one or another wouldn't hurt a someone, but we are talking about injection over 30 shots by the time you're child is a toddler. They all contain a multitude of ingredients. We aren't talking about working around these things, or having them in the home, we are talking about injecting them into a child. No one knows that they are completely safe, because there has never been a study to determine how these vaccines interact when given in multiple doses. Again in 1983, there were only four shots given. The vaccine list has only grown to over 30 in the last 24 years. No one knows what the long term affects are yet.

Every parents has to decide what is right for their child. I do not look badly upon parents who choose to vaccinate. My oldest is fully vaccinated. It wasn't until my second child had severe reactions to his vaccines that I started my research and made the best choice for us. You do the research and decide what is best for you.

Thanks, pennykay, that's exactly what I was asking for. And as you must know, that's not a medical site - it's a scare site designed to promote a specific anti-vaccine agenda.

I looked up Gardasil and their recommendation was injections at 0, 2 and 4 months, then it states as young as 9 years to 26 years. While the 0,2,4 month schedule is clearly a mistake, it's sloppy if you want to be thought of as reputable - which I don't think this site is at all.
 
"I'm waiting to see your source....."

This is the most comprehensive list of vaccine ingredients that I could find:

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/


As far as ingredients being laughably harmless. Maybe a little of one or another wouldn't hurt a someone, but we are talking about injection over 30 shots by the time you're child is a toddler. They all contain a multitude of ingredients. We aren't talking about working around these things, or having them in the home, we are talking about injecting them into a child. No one knows that they are completely safe, because there has never been a study to determine how these vaccines interact when given in multiple doses. Again in 1983, there were only four shots given. The vaccine list has only grown to over 30 in the last 24 years. No one knows what the long term affects are yet.

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I think this is a really important point to be taken. While there is an argument that the ingredients in any ONE vaccine are not harmful, who knows what it does to a tiny body when we inject SO MANY at one time, or so many over their lives?

Aluminum is one of the ingredients that is starting to be focused on more. Sure, it's a common element, and many studies show that the amount contained in any one vaccine shouldn't be harmful, but who knows how much is? There are times that many shots containing aluminum are going into children at once.....how much is too much?

It is for reasons like this that we delay vaxes, and until there is research that shows that shooting up kids with that much of any ONE chemical, we won't be changing our minds. We think it's what is best for US. Others can make their decision...I don't know what so many people have such an issue with people deciding what they feel is best for their own kids?
 
"I'm waiting to see your source....."

This is the most comprehensive list of vaccine ingredients that I could find:

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/


As far as ingredients being laughably harmless. Maybe a little of one or another wouldn't hurt a someone, but we are talking about injection over 30 shots by the time you're child is a toddler. They all contain a multitude of ingredients. We aren't talking about working around these things, or having them in the home, we are talking about injecting them into a child. No one knows that they are completely safe, because there has never been a study to determine how these vaccines interact when given in multiple doses. Again in 1983, there were only four shots given. The vaccine list has only grown to over 30 in the last 24 years. No one knows what the long term affects are yet.

Every parents has to decide what is right for their child. I do not look badly upon parents who choose to vaccinate. My oldest is fully vaccinated. It wasn't until my second child had severe reactions to his vaccines that I started my research and made the best choice for us. You do the research and decide what is best for you.

my thoughts . besides vaccines(which my child was damaged by)
Do you know how many medicines that doctors prescribe that have been recalled beacuse people have died or suffered injury by taking them. My sister in law firm and I see this all the time. Medicine is big business and Doctors are not God. Listen to what they have to say and do your own research as well. Make an informed decision. the following is a list of supposedly safe drugs that have harmed people. My brother was on on last drug , he developed a heart condition, diabetes and something where his body moves involuntarily from taking that drug. Our doctor said it was perfectly safe then. Today that doctor would not prescribe it of course.


Aranesp
Bard Composix Pain Patch Bextra
Celebrex Celexa
Complete MoisturePlus Concerta
COX-2 Inhibitors Crestor
Defective Drug Resources Desmopressin Acetate
Duragesic Patches Elidel
Fentanyl Patch Fentora
Foradil Aerolizer Fosamax
Hormone Replacement Therapy Ketek
Methazolamide Mirapex
NuvaRing Ortho Evra
Paxil Permax
Plavix Procrit
Protopic Prozac
ReNu Contact Solution Ritalin
Seroquel Tamiflu and Relenza
Tequin Trasylol
Viagra Vioxx
Zelnorm Zicam
Zithromax Zoloft
Zyprexa



and as far as ingredients not being harmful in smaller doses. I could possibly agree but there are so many more vaccines today. for example the mercury that was in the vaccines. The amount supposely was not enough to harm a toddler. (even though this is one of the most toxic substances on earth, in fact it was used to kill Socrates all that time ago) but did the researched consider the facr that the amount of mercury in the vaccines would add to other envirmental factors like if that child ate fish that also had Mercury or lived in a place like Staten Island NY where the dump is loaded with Mercury that seeps into the ground , water etc and other areas like that.
 
"I'm waiting to see your source....."

This is the most comprehensive list of vaccine ingredients that I could find:

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/


As far as ingredients being laughably harmless. Maybe a little of one or another wouldn't hurt a someone, but we are talking about injection over 30 shots by the time you're child is a toddler. They all contain a multitude of ingredients. We aren't talking about working around these things, or having them in the home, we are talking about injecting them into a child. No one knows that they are completely safe, because there has never been a study to determine how these vaccines interact when given in multiple doses. Again in 1983, there were only four shots given. The vaccine list has only grown to over 30 in the last 24 years. No one knows what the long term affects are yet.

Every parents has to decide what is right for their child. I do not look badly upon parents who choose to vaccinate. My oldest is fully vaccinated. It wasn't until my second child had severe reactions to his vaccines that I started my research and made the best choice for us. You do the research and decide what is best for you.


:sad2:

If you are going to quote a source, wouldn't it be best to quote one from a NON-BIASED source???? Seriously, it's website even clearly states "NO VACCINE."

This is why these threads get so out of hand. I understand that everyone has their own point of view, but if we are truly looking to EDUCATE someone, (such as the OP) sending them to a site that has their own agenda clearly isn't the way to do it.
 
:sad2:

If you are going to quote a source, wouldn't it be best to quote one from a NON-BIASED source???? Seriously, it's website even clearly states "NO VACCINE."

This is why these threads get so out of hand. I understand that everyone has their own point of view, but if we are truly looking to EDUCATE someone, (such as the OP) sending them to a site that has their own agenda clearly isn't the way to do it.

My fear is that when people say they do their own "independent research", it's sites like this one they go to. They read a totally biased and non-scientifically supported piece of propaganda, take it as fact, and embellish it in their minds so that it becomes "fact."

For example, what in the world does abortion have to do with vaccines? Nothing, absolutely nothing - and yet someone will read that piece of nonsense posted above and before you know it there will be something circulating on the web about vaccines being made from murdered babies. It just makes me sick to watch how easily people can be hoodwinked by this stuff.
 
I have not read the thread, but would like to respond to the OP issue. I would suggest you read Evidence of Harm by David Kirby. David Kirby wrote for the New York Times for over 8 years, not sure if he still is. The book is about the mulitbillion dollar vaccine industry.

You need to do what you feel best for your child.

I will not get into the debate as I have strong opinions and I just will have to agree to disagree with others.

Denise in MI
 
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2008/03/24/news/opinion/letters/151637.txt

Hopefully this link works.

I am not sure if vaccinations "caused" my son's Autism but I don't rule it out. I think maybe there is something going on that vaccines affect????

I have been reading about getting Titer Levels checked.

I just don't know.....I do know at one time I blindly walked into Doctor offices thinking they know best. Now I try to research myself because I know my child better than a Dr who seems him for 5 minutes a year.

Don't get bullied into doing something you just don't feel right about. I had three different nurses and my pediatrician tell me differing things about breast feeding. I didn't know what to think! How could something that simple have so many different "opinions"?

Anyway - good luck with your decision.
 
Here's a real life example, happening right now -

Austrian Measles Outbreak Spreads
By VERONIKA OLEKSYN (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
April 03, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
VIENNA, Austria - A measles outbreak in and around the Austrian city of Salzburg has spread to about 180 people, most of them schoolchildren, authorities said Thursday.

An investigation has been launched to determine if negligence may have led to the spread of the contagious disease, said Marcus Neher, a spokesman with the Salzburg public prosecutor's office.

Officials were questioning employees and parents of children enrolled at a private school where the epidemic is believed to have started, Neher said. The probe was still in its initial phase and there was no concrete evidence against anyone yet, he added.

Countering criticism, the school said it never advised parents against vaccinating their children.

However, Hubert Hrabcik, director general of public health in Austria's Health Ministry, said the vaccination rate for measles, mumps and rubella, which are administered together, may have been "almost nil" at the school.

Austria strongly suggests, but does not require, that children be immunized against measles, among other diseases, and about 90 percent of children up to 14 are vaccinated.

Last year, there were 18 reported cases of measles in Austria, compared to 27 in 2006 and 10 in 2005, Hrabcik said.

He appeared optimistic that the "infection chain would soon be broken" but predicted a possible doubling in the number of cases.

Salzburg Gov. Gabi Burgstaller and Health Minister Andrea Kdolsky urged people under 40 who have not had measles to be vaccinated.

Five people between the ages of 16 and 30 have been hospitalized but all are on their way to recovery and one was released Thursday, Salzburg's Federal Medical Center said.

Once a scourge of children in Europe, measles spreads very easily, jumping from person to person through droplets emitted in sneezing or coughing. It is one of the most contagious diseases known, according to the World Health Organization.

An estimated 242,000 people, the majority of them children, died from measles in 2006, the latest year for which figures are available, the WHO says.
 
An estimated 242,000 people, the majority of them children, died from measles in 2006, the latest year for which figures are available, the WHO says.

In all fairness...this statistic on its own doesn't tell the whole story. We really need to know more about which people died (what countries) and if they died of complications, or if they died because of inadequate health care, or what.

That sounds more cold that I meant it too, but statistics can say pretty much anything you want them to, if you don't look at the whole picture.

Inside the story above, you see that all of those infected are recovering.
 
In all fairness...this statistic on its own doesn't tell the whole story. We really need to know more about which people died (what countries) and if they died of complications, or if they died because of inadequate health care, or what.

That sounds more cold that I meant it too, but statistics can say pretty much anything you want them to, if you don't look at the whole picture.

Inside the story above, you see that all of those infected are recovering.

That's a very good point, cuppycake, and I'm quoting from the WHO fact sheet.

Revised November 2007

Measles


Key facts
Measles remains a leading cause of death among young children, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine for the past 40 years.
In 2006, it was estimated that there were 242 000 measles deaths globally: this translates to about 663 deaths every day or 27 deaths every hour.
The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with per capita Gross National Income of less than US$ 1000 and weak health infrastructure.
Immunization prevents suffering, complications and death caused by measles. The measles vaccine is safe, effective and inexpensive.
Vaccination has had a major impact on measles deaths. Overall, global measles mortality decreased by 68% between 2000 and 2006. The largest gains occurred in Africa where measles cases and deaths fell by 91%.
Global Immunization Vision and Strategy (GIVS) calls on countries to reduce global measles deaths by 90% by 2010 compared to 2000 estimates. WHO and UNICEF have developed a comprehensive strategy to sustainably reduce measles deaths.


Measles remains a leading cause of death among young children, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine for the past 40 years. An estimated 242 000 people, the majority of them children, died from measles in 2006, the latest year for which figures are available.

Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known. Almost all non-immune children contract this respiratory disease if exposed to the virus. Measles is an acute illness caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family. Measles virus normally grows in the cells that line the back of the throat and in the cells that line the lungs. It is a human disease not known to occur in animals.

Vaccination has had a major impact on measles deaths. From 2000 to 2006, an estimated 478 million children aged nine months to 14 years received measles vaccine through supplementary immunization activities in 46 out of the 47 priority countries with the highest burden of measles. These accelerated activities have resulted in a significant reduction in estimated global measles deaths. Overall, global measles mortality decreased by 68% between 2000 and 2006. The largest gains occurred in Africa where measles cases and deaths fell by 91%.

Signs and symptoms
The first sign of infection is usually high fever, which begins approximately 10 to 12 days after exposure and lasts one to seven days. During the initial stage, the patient may develop a runny nose, cough, red and watery eyes and small white spots inside the cheeks. After several days, a rash develops, usually on the face and upper neck. Over a period of about three days, the rash spreads, eventually reaching the hands and feet. The rash lasts for five to six days, then fades. The rash occurs, on average, at day 14 after exposure to the virus, with a range of seven to 18 days.

Complications
Measles is often an unpleasant mild or moderately severe illness. Severe measles is particularly likely in poorly nourished young children, especially those who do not receive sufficient vitamin A, or whose immune systems have been weakened by HIV/AIDS or other diseases.

Children usually do not die directly of measles, but from its complications. Complications are more common in children under the age of five or adults over the age of 20.

The most serious complications include blindness, encephalitis (a dangerous infection of the brain causing inflammation), severe diarrhoea (possibly leading to dehydration), ear infections and severe respiratory infections such as pneumonia, which is the most common cause of death associated with measles. Encephalitis is estimated to occur in one out of 1000 cases, while otitis media (middle ear infection) is reported in 5-15% of cases and pneumonia in 5-10% of cases. The case fatality rate in developing countries is generally in the range of 1 to 5%, but may be as high as 25% in populations with high levels of malnutrition and poor access to health care. People who recover from measles are immune for the rest of their lives.

People most at risk
Un-immunized young children are at highest risk for measles and its complications, including death. However, any person who has not been immunized with vaccine or through experiencing the disease can become infected.

Measles can be particularly deadly in countries experiencing or recovering from war, civil strife or a natural disaster. Infection rates soar because damage to infrastructure and health services interrupts routine immunization and overcrowding in camps for refugees and internally displaced people greatly increases the risk of infection.

Transmission
The highly contagious measles virus is spread by coughing and sneezing, close personal contact or direct contact with infected nasal or throat secretions., Measles tends to result in epidemics which may cause many deaths, especially among young malnourished children.

The virus remains active and contagious in the air or on infected surfaces for up to two hours. It can be transmitted by an infected individual from four days prior to the onset of the rash to four days after the onset. If one person has the disease, a high proportion of their susceptible close contacts will also become infected.

Treatment
Severe complications can be avoided. General nutritional support and the treatment of dehydration with oral rehydration solution are necessary. Antibiotics should be prescribed for treating eye and ear infections and pneumonia. To improve survival, it is important that children with measles receive adequate nutrition and fluids.

All children in developing countries diagnosed with measles should receive two doses of vitamin A supplements given 24 hours apart. This can help prevent eye damage and blindness. Moreover, vitamin A supplementation has been shown to reduce the number of deaths from measles by 50%.

Disease and mortality burden
While measles is now rare in many industrialized countries, it remains a common illness in many developing countries. More than 20 million people are affected each year by measles. In 2006, it was estimated that there were 242 000 measles deaths globally: this translates to about 663 deaths every day or 27 deaths every hour. The overwhelming majority ( more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with per capita Gross National Income of less than US$ 1000 and weak health infrastructure. The primary reason for continuing high childhood measles morbidity and mortality is the failure to deliver at least one dose of measles vaccine to all infants. In countries where measles has been largely eliminated, cases imported from other countries remain an important source of infection.

Table 1: Estimated number of deaths, with ranges*, by WHO region, 2006


Africa 36,000 [26 000 - 49 000]
Americas <1000* [-]
Eastern Mediterranean 23,000 [16 000 - 34 000]
European <1000* [-]
South-East Asia 178,000 [128 000 - 234 000]
Western Pacific 5,000 [3000 - 7000]
TOTAL 242,000 [173 000 - 325 000]

* At low incidence levels the model is not precise and surveillance data indicate less than 1000 deaths.

And so on...

If we had the same kind of low vaccination rates in America, we would be having the same kinds of outbreaks, even if the deaths weren't substantial. Why risk the population when there is a safe and effective vaccine that can so easily prevent the disease?
 
I vaccinated both of our children, and that was the right decision for our family. That may not be the right decision for other families. The tough part about a forum like this is that you are going to get every single opinion there is on the subject, and the decision will still be up to you, and the decision may still be a good one, and the decision may still prove to be a bad one.

You just have to go with your gut and pray that you have made the right choice. We can't prevent the world from occuring to our children, no matter how much we may want to. You may chose not to vaccinate, but then something else occurs. You just can't let it all the "what if's" wrap you up too tightly and make you crazy. Make a decision. Be at peace with it.
 
Both of our boys were vaccinated up to the time when my youngest was diagnosed with autism. And that was the end of that.

This is a huge huge battle ground issue right now, I feel sorry for the OP. :eek:

Here is how I see it:

I trusted the doctors and scientists. The doctors, honestly, didn't know better. The ped we have now is being very accepting and curious about the DAN stuff we're doing, because it's stuff she was never taught. But before her, I was scoffed at repeatedly by Experts.

I think many of us know the "silly mommy" look. It's the look you get when you ask an Expert some question that they don't think is important. It's condescending. Sort of a roll-eyes thing. I've gotten a lot of those. And I leave. Nobody gets to treat me like I'm stupid.

It's like this. Let's say there was scientific proof and research like crazy saying the sky was blue. Okay. Then one day a bunch of us woke up early and looked outside and the sky was purple. And we all said something. And got told that we weren't scientists, we weren't experts, and what we had seen wasn't possible. That essentially, we were either lying or stupid. That we didn't have any evidence.

What do you do? You either agree, and decide you're imagining things, and listen to the experts, and try to act like it never happened. Or you decide that you're not a Crazy Mommy, and you're not the only one that saw it, and maybe the experts are wrong. And that you have to trust yourself, even if everyone else thinks you're nuts. It takes a strong person to do that, but once you've crossed over, good luck trying to knock you down.

I suspect I'm not the only one that caught Larry King last night. That show was a perfect example of what is going on right now. The mothers asking hard questions, asking them loudly, and the establishment blowing them off. They're not answering the questions, they're just saying the same thing over and over. The most ironic part is that now the AAP has decided to meet with, to try to work with, ARI and DAN doctors to help figure stuff out. They say that, but as soon as vaccines are mentioned, the AAP leadership gets very vocal. And not mentioned as the cause, just mentioned as a contributing factor. The idea of them meeting to learn from each other is a joke, because the AAP only wants to hear what it wants to hear, and it doesn't want to hear about immunizations. How is ARI seriously going to have any discussion with the AAP without bringing up immunizations? DUH!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."- Ghandi
 
I gave a link that stated the ingredients in vaccines. Does anyone here disagree that those are the ingredients in vaccines? You can attack the source, that is fine. I am not recommending that sight, in fact I didn't read through it other than the vaccine ingredient list. It is true that vaccine ingredients aren't listed on all sorts of medical sights. That does not mean that they are not the actual ingredients. Does anyone dispute that?

"For example, what in the world does abortion have to do with vaccines? Nothing, absolutely nothing - and yet someone will read that piece of nonsense posted above and before you know it there will be something circulating on the web about vaccines being made from murdered babies. It just makes me sick to watch how easily people can be hoodwinked by this stuff."

Several vaccines were made from descendent cells of aborted fetuses, that is what abortion has to do with vaccines. Do you contend that that is not a true statement? My "source" on that information is the National Catholic Bioethics Center. Do you think they too are just trying to "hoodwink" people?
 
I gave a link that stated the ingredients in vaccines. Does anyone here disagree that those are the ingredients in vaccines? You can attack the source, that is fine. I am not recommending that sight, in fact I didn't read through it other than the vaccine ingredient list. It is true that vaccine ingredients aren't listed on all sorts of medical sights. That does not mean that they are not the actual ingredients. Does anyone dispute that?

"For example, what in the world does abortion have to do with vaccines? Nothing, absolutely nothing - and yet someone will read that piece of nonsense posted above and before you know it there will be something circulating on the web about vaccines being made from murdered babies. It just makes me sick to watch how easily people can be hoodwinked by this stuff."

Several vaccines were made from descendent cells of aborted fetuses, that is what abortion has to do with vaccines. Do you contend that that is not a true statement? My "source" on that information is the National Catholic Bioethics Center. Do you think they too are just trying to "hoodwink" people?

Yes, I do, pennykay. Can I be any clearer than that? I think the National Catholic Bioethics Center is trying to hoodwink people into accepting some sort of link between abortion and vaccines, by using this "fact." It has nothing to do with the safety of the vaccine, which is the issue, but it is inflammatory and misleading. And I think novaccine.whatever is a scare site that is loaded with wrong information and scare tactics. Listing an ingredient that is in a vaccine and then following it with a statement like those on that site is inflammatory and misleading. Got it?? Now you know exactly how I feel about those "sources."
 
"We don't let people dump toxic materials down the drain."

Very interesting analogy considering that vaccines contain toxins and you're view is that we should allow our government to decide which ones we should have to INJECTED INTO OUR CHILDREN:

A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT IS IN VACCINES:
Diphtheria, Pertusiss, Tetanus vaccine
Cultured diphtheria bacterium, pertussis (whooping cough) organism and Tetanus Toxin.

>From modified Cohen-Wheeler broth

Sodium chloride

Sodium Hydroxide (also known as lye, caustic soda, soda lye.) Is corrosive and is an Eye, skin and respiratory irritant. Can burn eyes, skin and internal organs. Can cause lung and tissue damage, blindness and can be fatal if swallowed. Found in oven cleaners, tub and tile cleaners, toilet bowl cleaners and drain openers.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Hydrochloric acid: CAN DISTROY TISSUE UPON DIRECT CONTACT! Found in aluminum cleaners and rust removers.

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages. causes cancer.

Phosphates: suffocates all forms of aquatic life. Found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

Our government wants your child to receive 5 injections.

Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine
Live measles and mumps virus grown in cell cultures from chick embryos. Live rubella virus grown in human diploid cells (human aborted fetus) Wistar RA 27/2 strain grown in aborted fetus originating from the tissues of a fetus aborted in 1964 after the 25 year old mother developed rubella. Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, hydrolyzed gelatin.

Also other preservatives, unknown to me which ones
The government wants your child to receive 2 shots of these 3 vaccines=15 !

Polio-live
Contains 3 types of live polio viruses. Grown in African green monkey kidney cell culture and calf serum.

Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, streptomycin.

Polio-inactivated/dead
Contains 3 types of live polio viruses. Grown in African green monkey kidney cell culture and calf serum.

Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, streptomycin.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Polynyxin B
The government wants your child to receive 4 servings of that.

HIB
Haemophilus influenzae type B

Sacchaarides

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages.

They want ya to vaccinate your child with this 4 times.

Hepatitis B
Derived from fermentation cultures of a recombinant strain of yeast containing the hepatitis gene.

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (does contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.
Note about this vaccine: is not approved by the FDA for use on newborns.

Vaccinate 3 injections

Varicella Zoster Ò–Chicken Pox
Varicella vaccine virus is a live vaccine created from the lung tissue of two aborted babies at three months gestation, one boy and one girl.
Sucrose
Monosodium Glutamate known as MSG: toxic preservative and flavor enhancer. Found in many foods especially Asian foods. Used as a stabilizer in vaccines. Prevents heat, light and acidity from changing the vaccine’s state.

Processed gelatin
Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Phosphates: suffocates all forms of aquatic life. Found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

Government says 3 doses of this vaccine

These are the quotes I find offensive and inflammatory. There's not a word about the amount, the dose or the effects -just statement after statement designed to be read by someone who will then think "Oh, My God! Who in their right mind would do this to a helpless child?"

Sorry, I'm not buying it. I will continue to think that it is a disgusting and vile attempt to hoodwink people.
 
These are the quotes I find offensive and inflammatory. There's not a word about the amount, the dose or the effects -just statement after statement designed to be read by someone who will then think "Oh, My God! Who in their right mind would do this to a helpless child?"

Sorry, I'm not buying it. I will continue to think that it is a disgusting and vile attempt to hoodwink people.

I'm not defending any postings but that is true about creating some vaccines using lung tissue from both a male and female aborted fetus. They are referred to by number.

I don't know about growing cultures but it looks like they've been able to keep this line of cells going since the 60's and even created the chicken pox vaccine from the same line.

Regardless of a person's religious or ethical beliefs on using aborted tissue, it's still pretty gross and parents have a right to know this. Four vaccinated kids and 21 years later, I learn this here.
 


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