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I know there have been many studies to show the safety of co-sleeping. There was a more recent one that showed the risk of SIDS was much lower when cosleeping, as opposed to using a crib. Do any of you have a link? I had a bunch of links saved in a word doc and I think I deleted it by accident.
It drives me nuts when people spout off about the 'danger' of cosleeping when they know absolutely nothing about it. I will say that when a parent has been drinking, using drugs, or smoking, a crib is the best place for the baby. But other than that, cosleeping has been shown to be just as safe (if not safer?) than using a crib.

I don't have the link for you, but had to chime in because this is one of those subjects that just drives me BONKERS! Cosleeping might be a higher risk in the areas of suffication/accidents (RE: parents drinking, drugs, etc), but I find it incredibly hard to believe that it would increase the risk of SIDS-an unexplained death.

I've read the studies that indicate that it's better for an infant (re: SIDS) to sleep beside mom BECAUSE they don't sleep as deeply...they imitate her body/sleep rhythms. It's even coming out now that having a binky can help to reduce the risk of sids (I'm assuming that it's due to sucking and not sleeping so deeply as well???). One of mine had a binky, and one just had ME :goodvibes Still does, and she's 2.5.

In any case...I'm going to search for the link and post it if I find it for ya :thumbsup2
 
I don't have the link for you, but had to chime in because this is one of those subjects that just drives me BONKERS! Cosleeping might be a higher risk in the areas of suffication/accidents (RE: parents drinking, drugs, etc), but I find it incredibly hard to believe that it would increase the risk of SIDS-an unexplained death.

I've read the studies that indicate that it's better for an infant (re: SIDS) to sleep beside mom BECAUSE they don't sleep as deeply...they imitate her body/sleep rhythms. It's even coming out now that having a binky can help to reduce the risk of sids (I'm assuming that it's due to sucking and not sleeping so deeply as well???). One of mine had a binky, and one just had ME :goodvibes Still does, and she's 2.5.

In any case...I'm going to search for the link and post it if I find it for ya :thumbsup2

I can't get my "copy" function to work on my laptop. If you go to askdrsears.com and go to his sleep problems page. There's a link that's called cosleep: yes or no. Or something like that. It describes how babies adapt to their mothers sleep pattern, and his study actually showed a significant decrease in the amount of sleep apnea when babies were next to their mommies.

And btw, I haven't read this entire thread, but add us to the list of cosleepers, breastfeeder, babywearing parents.
 
Eh, you tried! It seems they just want to congratulate themselves on not following "trends." I mean, it's not like we're doing this for our kids, right? ;) It's all about the herd mentality and being hip to the parenting method du jour.

;)
 
I don't have the link for you, but had to chime in because this is one of those subjects that just drives me BONKERS! Cosleeping might be a higher risk in the areas of suffication/accidents (RE: parents drinking, drugs, etc), but I find it incredibly hard to believe that it would increase the risk of SIDS-an unexplained death.

I've read the studies that indicate that it's better for an infant (re: SIDS) to sleep beside mom BECAUSE they don't sleep as deeply...they imitate her body/sleep rhythms. It's even coming out now that having a binky can help to reduce the risk of sids (I'm assuming that it's due to sucking and not sleeping so deeply as well???). One of mine had a binky, and one just had ME :goodvibes Still does, and she's 2.5.

In any case...I'm going to search for the link and post it if I find it for ya :thumbsup2


Thanks! I had quite a few links saved, so I'm pretty bummed that I can't find them now.

EI&Asmom- exactly.. babies and mothers are very aware of each other while sleeping and adapt their sleeping patterns to mirror the other.
I will check the Dr. Sears website, too :)
It's so strange because in real life, all my friends cosleep, breastfeed, babywear, etc. My family is so supportive and think it's awesome.. so I'm always a bit taken aback when I remember that so many people don't do these things.
I kinda like my bubble, though :cloud9:
 

I know that for my son he would have died at 1y old if I had not slept with him - he had a fever in excess of 105 degrees (didn't think a kid would survive too long at that temp!) and had I not been in bed with him I'm sure he would have fried his brain since we would not have noticed his fever for another 8hrs or more after we put him to sleep - as it was we were able to pick up the fever earlier and got him to the hospital asap when he got kawasaki disease...so very thankful to be APers! So guess where my 4mth old DD now sleeps - yep right next to me! Yah!
 
I know that for my son he would have died at 1y old if I had not slept with him - he had a fever in excess of 105 degrees (didn't think a kid would survive too long at that temp!) and had I not been in bed with him I'm sure he would have fried his brain since we would not have noticed his fever for another 8hrs or more after we put him to sleep - as it was we were able to pick up the fever earlier and got him to the hospital asap when he got kawasaki disease...so very thankful to be APers! So guess where my 4mth old DD now sleeps - yep right next to me! Yah!

I'm glad your little guy is ok! I know someone who experienced something similar. She woke up suddenly (that instinct that mothers have, I suppose?) and flipped on the light. Her baby had a really high fever and was breathing shallow breaths. They were able to rush her to the hospital and they found out she had a condition they didn't know about. But it's scary to think about :guilty:
I know cosleeping isn't perfect for every family, but it bothers me so much when people spout off that it's dangerous, when it really couldn't be farther from the truth (assuming parents are healthy and taking proper precautions- small disclaimer here ;) ).
 
Complete and total AP mama here! I also like my little bubble world. ;) My entire circle of friends parents the same way I do.

I am still nursing and wearing my 3 year old. I would never have made it without bed sharing. I night nursed my oldest until 20 months and my youngest until 2.5. Up and out of bed every 2 hours? No way!

I am also very into Natural parenting-cloth diapers (well not anymore), as much organic as I can afford, no-vax, chiropractic for well care, no allopathic meds except as a last resort, no circ if I had boys.

I would love to homeschool except I am a WAHM and my dd really wanted to go to school. She has some developmental delays and can get services at school, so I agreed to let her go as long as it works. The minute it doesn't, she will be homeschooled and I will work around my schedule.
 
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My kids are 10 and 13 now so I have not chimed into this thread yet but seeing the other one made me want to post. With my first child (dd 13) I made the decision to "try" breastfeeding and it worked quite well. No problems at all. I co-slept because it made sense to me and I have always been a light sleeper so I was not worried about rolling over her. She continued to BF until she was 2.5 and I did not see any reason to make her stop --she enjoyed it and it was not a big deal for me. I did vaccinate. My son was not circed and 10 years later he has yet to have any infections.

I wore them in a sling because it was easy and convenient for me. Neither one of them liked strollers and by 10months old could squirm their way out of the straps and stand up in them. The both walked by 10 months despite being carried most of the time.

We are a very close family and my kids are both very independent. From what I have observed, its the nurturing of their need to be close at young ages that fostered their independence. I did not see how pushing them away from me before they were ready would foster independence. I never saw them as an extension of myself but as infants/babies/toddlers who needed and wanted lots of affection.
 
My kids are 10 and 13 now so I have not chimed into this thread yet but seeing the other one made me want to post. With my first child (dd 13) I made the decision to "try" breastfeeding and it worked quite well. No problems at all. I co-slept because it made sense to me and I have always been a light sleeper so I was not worried about rolling over her. She continued to BF until she was 2.5 and I did not see any reason to make her stop --she enjoyed it and it was not a big deal for me. I did vaccinate. My son was not circed and 10 years later he has yet to have any infections.

I wore them in a sling because it was easy and convenient for me. Neither one of them liked strollers and by 10months old could squirm their way out of the straps and stand up in them. The both walked by 10 months despite being carried most of the time.

We are a very close family and my kids are both very independent. From what I have observed, its the nurturing of their need to be close at young ages that fostered their independence. I did not see how pushing them away from me before they were ready would foster independence. I never saw them as an extension of myself but as infants/babies/toddlers who needed and wanted lots of affection.

This entire post could be me as well! I agree with everything in there plus I also have a soon to be 10 yr old that was never circed and perfectly healthy! I especially agree with the last paragraph. My kids range in age from 18 to 2.5 and I wouldn't have changed a thing with any of them! Our older children are very independent and also very loving towards others. The best thing is they themselves are planning on being AP parents as well;)
 
Oh, how I envy your bubble worlds! I don't know anyone who parents anything like I do in real life! I have one friend who co-slept kind of when her babe was tiny, and she is also the only other one who tried to breastfeed (she was in excrutiating pain from it and they couldn't figure out why so she stuck it out 3 months). Thank god for that one friend, although she was even a little taken aback at the cloth diapers, but she got used to it! Everyone else...well, let's say that based on their reactions to how "gross" cloth diapering and breastfeeding were going to be, and how they tried to talk me out of it, we're not going to even discuss the fact that we'll be breastfeeding and co-sleeping until DS is ready to stop! So...those of you with support systems are SOOO :lovestruc lucky! Even my Mom tried to convince me against everything AP that we do. It's a good exercise in self-assertion though, since I know that I'm doing what's best for us, even in the face of opposition!

Kind of related...those of you who cloth diaper...anyone done it at Disney? (Or on an airplane, for that matter?) I think we're going to end up doing that, but I'm not sure what logistics I'm missing...I'm thinking about renting a locker so we can keep diapers there for if we run out, and if we have to make a stop there, throw the dirty ones in. To be honest, I don't find cloth all that inconvenient, it'll be good exercise to lug around the wet ones lol. Anyone have a wet bag they love for long outings? The one I have only holds a couple, so it's not going to be enough. Thanks for any advice!

And...(as long as I'm loading you up with questions!) did you NEED to use a stroller at disney? DS has been in a stroller I think, once, in his life, and I'm pretty sure I would run people over with it! If it's necessary, no harm in using it, but maybe I should take one out for a test drive! Seems kind of like a hassle to park and all that, and much easier to use the sling, but maybe it's not that way in practice. DS will be 10 months and probably 16ish lbs. when we go (he was a preemie, so he's tiny...hey, someone has to be the 3rd percentile, right?)
 
lexmas--my youngest DS was 9 months when we went last year, and we didn't bring a stroller with us. We did rent one, but 99% of the time it was my 5 and 3 year olds who used it while the baby was in the Ergo. It wasn't really a big deal carrying him--if I got too tired or hot I switched off with DH. As for diapers, with my oldest I used to be a purist and carry cloth with me everywhere I went, but after 6 straight years of having at least one kid in diapers, I've gotten a lot lazier and use disposables on trips and long outings.
 
I know there have been many studies to show the safety of co-sleeping. There was a more recent one that showed the risk of SIDS was much lower when cosleeping, as opposed to using a crib. Do any of you have a link? I had a bunch of links saved in a word doc and I think I deleted it by accident.
It drives me nuts when people spout off about the 'danger' of cosleeping when they know absolutely nothing about it. I will say that when a parent has been drinking, using drugs, or smoking, a crib is the best place for the baby. But other than that, cosleeping has been shown to be just as safe (if not safer?) than using a crib.

This story in the Detroit News today details five children who have died in the last two days in one county because of sleep issues. Three smothered in their parents beds, two died in their cribs:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/METRO/707260364
 
We did circ. DS, although we won't be circ-ing any other sons, after I did read the case against circumcision board, which made me have serious "I ruined my sons life" guilt for awhile. Yikes. I've mellowed out about it for awhile, but don't read that board! It's too intense for me. Especially because I didn't really want to do it, but it was one of the things DH felt strongly about. But after I read that board, there was much crying. Too much guilt piled on for me. I'm sure DS will be fine, but knowing how unnecessary it is, we won't be doing it again.
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Lexmas, I wanted to share a story with you (please no flames anyone). You just seemed like you had such guilt over circ. My DBF is a teacher, she got a call from the parent of a 10 yr old boy whom was NOT circ. It seemed that he had gotten an infection, a very bad one. Since it was not his first the ped. said that circ. was going to be a must. Well, it seems that the boy slipped out of consc. with a very high fever and an ambulance had to rush to hosp. The parents felt they had no choice but to do a circ. which ended being such a painful procedure at that age (apparently it is MUCH worse the older they are) that he missed 2 months of school.

Now, I was telling a another girlfriend the story when she admitted that her 2 yr old also got infected. Apparently her daycare center was not taking proper care.

I'm not saying circ or uncir is better just thought I would share some other stories that might make you feel better about your choice.:goodvibes
 
Oh, I don't think I checked in:yay: Semi-AP parents here. DS is 2.5 and still bfs although he's starting to wean which is good for me since I'm prego and OUCH! He co-sleeps with DH and I and I "wore" him:rotfl: when he was lighter;)

We do vax because it is the right decision but we make very sure there is no mercury in the vaxs and we get flu shots. His immune system is prretty good:rolleyes1 but when he does get sick he gets VERY sick. He had scarlett fever a yr ago and I hope he is NEVER that sick again!:sad2:
 
My nephew was not circed when he was born. They had just found his mother had breast cancer a week before he was born and there was more pressing issues. Really everyone was just so happy he was healthy and here no one even considered otherwise.

At 10 he did have to have a circ preformed do to infection. Now if his mother was still around maybe he wouldn't have because she would have been more careful about teaching him hygiene and things like that. However his dad isn't as big on details like that as a mother would..............

If it wasn't for that story I would be sure I would not circ when I have a son (if). As it is I think I would most likely at least wait a few months until the baby was older before doing it (if I would.)


I have a number of friends who have boys who are intact. They have no issues.

Either way, what is done is done. Don't feel guilt over it. There is too much to feel guilt over in this life, especially as a parent. I think it is a very personal decision that parents need to make as a family. I support choices either way. I do think it is best to do research 1st and know what and why you are doing it. You can't go back.
 
This story in the Detroit News today details five children who have died in the last two days in one county because of sleep issues. Three smothered in their parents beds, two died in their cribs:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/METRO/707260364

I had a feeling you were from the NON-AP board.:rotfl: I read this article and found it odd that they did not mention the sharing environment.This is VERY important. I also thought it odd that one paticular county had such high sids stats. Many parents co-sleep in my area and we have have had only 1 death in the almost 3 yrs we've been doing it. By the way both parents were drunk and did not normally co-sleep.

I did do an internet search to find more info on the environment of those children in the article and found many hits about how co-sleeping is a WORLDWIDE pratice more so than the US yet we have one of the highest sid rates.:sad2: BUT a SAFE ENVIRONMENT is KEY!

That being said to each their own. I have friends that are both AP and non-AP and no judgement is passed either way. I don't put my child on a "pedastal" by any means, but I do my best to do what is best for him.
 
I had a feeling you were from the NON-AP board.:rotfl: I read this article and found it odd that they did not mention the sharing environment.This is VERY important. I also thought it odd that one paticular county had such high sids stats. Many parents co-sleep in my area and we have have had only 1 death in the almost 3 yrs we've been doing it. By the way both parents were drunk and did not normally co-sleep.

I did do an internet search to find more info on the environment of those children in the article and found many hits about how co-sleeping is a WORLDWIDE pratice more so than the US yet we have one of the highest sid rates.:sad2: BUT a SAFE ENVIRONMENT is KEY!

That being said to each their own. I have friends that are both AP and non-AP and no judgement is passed either way. I don't put my child on a "pedastal" by any means, but I do my best to do what is best for him.


Yes, the sleeping environment is of course important. Two of the five deaths were in cribs. But the AP community isn't being completely honest if they say there's no risk for co-sleeping. There certainly can be, and co-sleeping isn't for everyone. And it in fact looks like more and more medical groups are going to start opposing it because of all these infant deaths.

I don't understand why people keep throwing out the worldwide popularity of co-sleeping. Since when do third-world countries set the standards for the U.S.?
 
I always find articles like that one frustratingly vague and incomplete. So 5 babies have died; 2 of them in cribs and 3 of them in beds, and that means everyone needs to start putting their babies to bed in cribs? That doesn't make any sense. Where are the statistics about 1. the total number of infant deaths in cribs versus in beds? 2. what percentage of babies are sleeping in beds vs. in cribs? (they quote one guy as saying 50%, but he doesn't seem to be speaking specifically to the Detroit population). They mention that the number of babies dying in beds has increased but don't say whether or not co-sleeping has increased at the same time (if more people are co-sleeping, one would expect the number to increase). What are the causes of death in all of these cases? They say all 5 babies "suffocated" but also that the deaths are still under investigation. Were the co-sleeping parents under the influence of drugs or alcohol? Were the crib babies left with too much bedding or stuffed animals? The article seems to want to convince me that crib sleeping is safer than co-sleeping, but gives me absolutely no evidence with which to reach that conclusion. All I've been able to discern from sifting through arguments from both sides of the debate is 1. there are dangers involved both in crib sleeping and co-sleeping and 2. the vast majority of babies are going to be okay no matter which way you go. In the absence of compelling evidence that one way of sleeping is significantly safer than the other, I'll go with what works best for my baby and my family. For this one, for right now, that's co-sleeping.
 
Lexmas, I wanted to share a story with you (please no flames anyone). You just seemed like you had such guilt over circ. My DBF is a teacher, she got a call from the parent of a 10 yr old boy whom was NOT circ. It seemed that he had gotten an infection, a very bad one. Since it was not his first the ped. said that circ. was going to be a must. Well, it seems that the boy slipped out of consc. with a very high fever and an ambulance had to rush to hosp. The parents felt they had no choice but to do a circ. which ended being such a painful procedure at that age (apparently it is MUCH worse the older they are) that he missed 2 months of school.

Now, I was telling a another girlfriend the story when she admitted that her 2 yr old also got infected. Apparently her daycare center was not taking proper care.

I'm not saying circ or uncir is better just thought I would share some other stories that might make you feel better about your choice.:goodvibes

My nephew was not circed when he was born. They had just found his mother had breast cancer a week before he was born and there was more pressing issues. Really everyone was just so happy he was healthy and here no one even considered otherwise.

At 10 he did have to have a circ preformed do to infection. Now if his mother was still around maybe he wouldn't have because she would have been more careful about teaching him hygiene and things like that. However his dad isn't as big on details like that as a mother would..............

If it wasn't for that story I would be sure I would not circ when I have a son (if). As it is I think I would most likely at least wait a few months until the baby was older before doing it (if I would.)


I have a number of friends who have boys who are intact. They have no issues.

Either way, what is done is done. Don't feel guilt over it. There is too much to feel guilt over in this life, especially as a parent. I think it is a very personal decision that parents need to make as a family. I support choices either way. I do think it is best to do research 1st and know what and why you are doing it. You can't go back.

Thanks ladies, you're right and I can't change the past, but I do feel like I was unfortunately uninformed in making that decision. Live and learn, I suppose. At this point, I guess all I can do is be glad that I won't have to worry about infection and having to circ. later (that worry can come with the next one! :rotfl:) I appreciate the support, that really does make me feel better anyway!

As for the co-sleeping "we're never going to convince people who think co-sleeping is dangerous that it's not" conversation, here's my contribution...as my degree is Cultural Anthropology I guess all I can put into it is that co-sleeping should be done safely, but in cultures where everyone co-sleeps SIDS doesn't exist. (It is also called "crib death" for a reason...) Deaths can occur in any situation where a parent isn't exercising appropriate caution, awake or asleep. And if someone has to be on medication or is intoxicated or knows that they are a very heavy sleeper, then they should probably decide that co-sleeping isn't for them. However, the US is the only place where co-sleeping is uncommon (and I'm not sure it's really uncommon, it's just not discussed), it's very common even in Europe for newborns and infants. I have a friend from Sweden that says they don't even have a name for SIDS, because it doesn't exist, she had never heard of it until she came to the US. As far as I know, Sweden isn't a "third world country" :confused3 But, I'm not ethnocentric enough to mind learning from "third world countries" anyway, so what do I know. :rolleyes1

I tend to think that babies biologically expect certain things, and I try to do those things for my son. But, babies are adaptable of course, and I'm not saying that kids turn out badly if you don't attachment parent, as long as kids are loved and treated well I think they turn out fine. I do dislike that people think "attachment parenting" is a new trend, instead of a new name given to parenting techniques that have existed throughout the course of human existence.

Oh yeah, and while I'm typing all this.....:surfweb: kokotg--thanks for sharing your experience with the sling, I figure DH and I will just trade off. I completely understand about the diapers lol, I'm sure after awhile it gets tiring! Easy with one for now though!
 
Yes, the sleeping environment is of course important. Two of the five deaths were in cribs. But the AP community isn't being completely honest if they say there's no risk for co-sleeping. There certainly can be, and co-sleeping isn't for everyone. And it in fact looks like more and more medical groups are going to start opposing it because of all these infant deaths.

I don't understand why people keep throwing out the worldwide popularity of co-sleeping. Since when do third-world countries set the standards for the U.S.?

We do admit there is a risk, that is why we say make sure it is for you (if you are heavy sleeper,you don't feel it is for you etc) and have safe envionment and it is safe. Believe it or not I did not plan to co-sleep. I have done it for nearly 3 yrs and if DS so much as changes his breathing both DH and I snap awake. Even to this day.

And where in the post did I mention thild world countries? Europe and Australia/New Zealand were listed in the studies. I don't understand why people assume that because we co-sleep and bf until self-weaned we must be following thild world countries. Does anyone else get this?
 

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