Oscars

[L&Lfan]

Has anyone here actually seen the best picture winner? I read its entry on wikipedia and it doesn't sound like anything that would interest me.

 

[wilkeliza]

Has anyone here actually seen the best picture winner? I read its entry on wikipedia and it doesn't sound like anything that would interest me.

I'm seeing it tonight if I feel well enough as it came out on Blu-ray today. My fiance and all of his friends saw it and absolutely loved it.

 

[pryncess527]

Has anyone here actually seen the best picture winner? I read its entry on wikipedia and it doesn't sound like anything that would interest me.

I have not seen it yet, but I have read a summary and I am excited to see it. We may rent it this weekend if we are in the right mood. I really enjoy films that explore human growth and development, especially stories of people who have dealt with complex social issues. It's semi-autobiographical, which I also think always adds an interesting dimension.

 

[okeydokey]

Has anyone here actually seen the best picture winner? I read its entry on wikipedia and it doesn't sound like anything that would interest me.

Yes I did. It was a great film, the performances were top notch. There were a few problems with the way the story was edited, IMO, and with character development but overall totally worth a watch.

 

[RedAngie]

I watched it all again and just before Beatty gives the envelope to Dunaway you can read her lips saying, " You are impossible." Then, she glances at the card and says, "Lalaland." I definitely think Dunaway had major responsibility in the error!

Vehemently disagree. Warren Beatty should have whispered to Faye Dunaway that something was wrong, not just give the card to her to read. She had no idea there was a problem and couldn't be expected to figure it out in a split second. Even after she announced what she thought was the winner, he could have said, "NO, THERE'S A MISTAKE." If anything, he threw her under the bus.

Actually, neither has ANY responsibility in the matter. The PWC dude is 100% at fault.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

I agree with you Red. He absolutely did throw her under the bus.

 

[Jennasis]

I think the whole thing isn't a big deal. It was a mistake that was immediately corrected and the right people went home with the trophies. In the grand scheme of things it's no big. Neither Warren Beatty nor Faye Dunaway are to blame or looked foolish. Sure a whole LOT of people saw the train wreck but it's just a little footnote in the annals of the entertainment world. No biggie.

Should the guy get fired? Meh. Maybe...I don't really care. Should they they take steps to try to make sure it won't happen again? Absolutely.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

The most self entitled, out of touch, limousine $&@#*+}, talking up their overrated art while talking down to anybody that might disagree with them, no thanks.....Tom Brady has more talent in his left elbow than every smug dbag in that room.

And La la land tried to cheat by deflating the envelope.

Oh wait. That was Brady and a football. My bad.

 

[bcla]

The two PwC accountants who were responsible are no longer going to be involved with the Oscars. They have not been fired from their regular jobs, as both were partners. No word on whether or not PwC is still going to be involved with the Oscars.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/oscars-drop-pricewaterhousecoopers-accountants-academy-1202000145/

This isn't really an accounting job per se. However, Cullinan is a California licensed CPA. It doesn't look like Ruiz is, and she probably doesn't need to be if she's a tax specialist. I know a few licensed CPAs, and there's a requirement for audit experience.

 

[wilkeliza]

The two PwC accountants who were responsible are no longer going to be involved with the Oscars. They have not been fired from their regular jobs, as both were partners. No word on whether or not PwC is still going to be involved with the Oscars.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/oscars-drop-pricewaterhousecoopers-accountants-academy-1202000145/

This isn't really an accounting job per se. However, Cullinan is a California licensed CPA. It doesn't look like Ruiz is, and she probably doesn't need to be if she's a tax specialist. I know a few licensed CPAs, and there's a requirement for audit experience.

I don't get why she is getting in trouble for his mistake. I've only heard of Cullinan being involved in the mistake.

 

[soccerdad72]

The two PwC accountants who were responsible are no longer going to be involved with the Oscars. They have not been fired from their regular jobs, as both were partners. No word on whether or not PwC is still going to be involved with the Oscars.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/oscars-drop-pricewaterhousecoopers-accountants-academy-1202000145/

This isn't really an accounting job per se. However, Cullinan is a California licensed CPA. It doesn't look like Ruiz is, and she probably doesn't need to be if she's a tax specialist. I know a few licensed CPAs, and there's a requirement for audit experience.

Ruiz is a CPA as well - she would have to be in order to be a partner in their tax practice.

 

[bcla]

I don't get why she is getting in trouble for his mistake. I've only heard of Cullinan being involved in the mistake.

There were a bunch of mistakes, including Beatty not noticing the wrong category on the envelope. Faye Dunaway got impatient and blurted out something rather than addressing the clear issue with the card. We're not necessarily privy to the procedures in place that are supposed to prevent this sort of thing between the two principals.

In any case, there's a good chance that PwC will no longer be involved next year after this

 

[jdb in AZ]

PwC does other accounting stuff for the Academy, and they have such a long history. Maybe they'll give the Academy a discount and/or other perks to go along with the groveling.

 

[soccerdad72]

PwC does other accounting stuff for the Academy, and they have such a long history. Maybe they'll give the Academy a discount and/or other perks to go along with the groveling.

I asked my wife her thought on it (she's a partner with one of the other Big 4 firms). She's guessing that PwC will be doing their work next year for free. It's unlikely they'll lose the job, however. She doesn't think it's a big revenue client - more of a prestige thing than anything.

 

[jdb in AZ]

I don't get why she is getting in trouble for his mistake. I've only heard of Cullinan being involved in the mistake.

I'm guessing she's in trouble because she didn't immediately rush the stage before the La La Land people began their acceptance speeches.

 

[wilkeliza]

I asked my wife her thought on it (she's a partner with one of the other Big 4 firms). She's guessing that PwC will be doing their work next year for free. It's unlikely they'll lose the job, however. She doesn't think it's a big revenue client - more of a prestige thing than anything.

I would also imagine it depends on the contracts. The fact they have been doing it forever probably means this isn't a year to year type of contract. They found their scapegoats and will announce changes to make sure this never happens again and then there will be joke upon joke next year about checking the envelope.

 

[wilkeliza]

I'm guessing she's in trouble because she didn't immediately rush the stage before the La La Land people began their acceptance speeches.

That's true. Based on a transcript (I think Hollywood Reporter put it together) though it did seem that someone acted pretty quickly but then no one really knew what to do once they were alerted to it being wrong.

 

[bcla]

Ruiz is a CPA as well - she would have to be in order to be a partner in their tax practice.

I guess that's a requirement to directly represent a client during an IRS or FTB audit.

I looked up the name Ruiz and couldn't find her listed. However, Ruiz could be her married or maiden name. The following says she passed the CPA exams soon after graduating from Cal State University LA, and before grad school.

http://www.workingmother.com/2006/3/home/martha-ruiz

It doesn't sound right if she took the exams without any accounting experience. Also, I don't recall it being a two-day test, but a series of tests required to be passed in a required time window. A relative of mine is a licensed CPA, and I took her to some of the tests and helped with some technical matters with the sample testing. I also remember that the accounting experience (including minimum attest hours) certification was required to be completed within a certain time period after passing all the exams. She had the minimum hours from one former employer (a small CPA firm), and I believe a CPA is required to sign off on any current or former employee's experience. She even got access to the company's records to determine the hours.

 

[wilkeliza]

I guess that's a requirement to directly represent a client during an IRS or FTB audit.

I looked up the name Ruiz and couldn't find her listed. However, Ruiz could be her married or maiden name. The following says she passed the CPA exams soon after graduating from Cal State University LA, and before grad school.

http://www.workingmother.com/2006/3/home/martha-ruiz

It doesn't sound right if she took the exams without any accounting experience. Also, I don't recall it being a two-day test, but a series of tests required to be passed in a required time window. A relative of mine is a licensed CPA, and I took her to some of the tests and helped with some technical matters with the sample testing. I also remember that the accounting experience (including minimum attest hours) certification was required to be completed within a certain time period after passing all the exams. She had the minimum hours from one former employer (a small CPA firm), and I believe a CPA is required to sign off on any current or former employee's experience. She even got access to the company's records to determine the hours.

It depends on the test but the CPAs in my office all have said that it is a bachelors in accounting or an associates with work experience. My friend in Florida didn't have much outside some internships and got her CPA right at the end of college and was working for a firm maybe a month or two later.

 

[wilkeliza]

I guess that's a requirement to directly represent a client during an IRS or FTB audit.

I looked up the name Ruiz and couldn't find her listed. However, Ruiz could be her married or maiden name. The following says she passed the CPA exams soon after graduating from Cal State University LA, and before grad school.

http://www.workingmother.com/2006/3/home/martha-ruiz

It doesn't sound right if she took the exams without any accounting experience. Also, I don't recall it being a two-day test, but a series of tests required to be passed in a required time window. A relative of mine is a licensed CPA, and I took her to some of the tests and helped with some technical matters with the sample testing. I also remember that the accounting experience (including minimum attest hours) certification was required to be completed within a certain time period after passing all the exams. She had the minimum hours from one former employer (a small CPA firm), and I believe a CPA is required to sign off on any current or former employee's experience. She even got access to the company's records to determine the hours.

Just checked 39 States do not have the 150 hours requirement, CA is one of those 39. It did appear taking the exam and licensing have different requirements.