Opinons- neighbor leaving their balcony door open all night

[AmyB2006]

here is the phrase you used that other posters have a problem with... the insidepart.

who wants to pay to stay at a resort with a balcony and not be able to use it when you get back from the parks? or even, at BW, back from Jelly rolls? I agree with keeping it down both late at night and early in the morning. but having to stay inside? no way.

even most of the pools on disney property don't close. they just don't have lifeguards. you are allowed to use the pools all night. just be quiet. the signs at the pools at the value resorts and the "quiet" pools at the moderate resorts state that after 10pm (I believe that's the time) you should be quiet at the pools. (not that you have to go inside).
and by quiet, they mean no screaming, etc, not normal conversation.

I can see where that can be misconstrued. I'm not saying that if you're simply at Disney that everyone has to be inside for the night at 10 pm. Obviously, yes, that is ridiculous. I am saying that once 10 to 11 rolls around and you are in your room you should be courteous to others with regards to noise. I personally wouldn't be gabbing away on my balcony, but clearly others don't feel the same. Which is their prerogative. The OP asked for opinions.

And obviously if you're staying at BW and you have a BW view and it's noisy out there, that would be different. There are always exceptions. Or if you're by the pool and it's noisy at the pool etc. Exceptions. I stated my opinion as a general rule that I follow. If I am in my room, and it's "late", I try to be courteous to the other people around me.

The thing that is aggravating is that I tried to clarify that statement (and this has to be at least the 5th time now) and people are still hanging their hat on my original post.

 

[stefanospops]

Firstly, I understand how the open-door lady may have been frustrated. I imagine that she probably told the OP many times in her head to, "Please be quiet I am trying to sleep." Of course, the OP cannot hear the woman's "inside voice" and her frustration starts to mount. My DW does this to me all the time. Let's face it, some of us men are very adept at annoying our women. I encourage her to speak to me with her words instead of telepathy when one of those moments happen, just for the sake of her blood pressure.

This said, I see nothing wrong with how the OP handled things. Had they been approached with understanding in the situation they would have returned that in kind. So really, all we need is some understanding, no?

 

[jade1]

2 sides of course but it's 100% unreasonable to cater to people because they want to keep their balcony door open. IMO, until they close the door, nothing else matters and they have NOTHING to say that would be reasonable or appropriate, they are 100% in the wrong as long as the balcony door is open. That's true at 10, 12 or 3 AM.

Yep.

Also what about guests arriving from CA-that's 7PM to them.

What time is making breakfast permitted (pots & pans etc)? 4AM, 5-6-7?

I find it funny they said they sleep with the door open-then slammed it shut. I can just see them stand there a moment, then say

"hey, I can't hear outside noise anymore, I wonder if closing this door makes everything and everyone be quiet".

I wonder if the mini fridge light stays on when you close the door.

 

[jade1]

Ha ha -the solution: Next time jump over and do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIgyr1_Z_qA

 

[AmyB2006]

I love that movie.

 

[Mike2023]

And obviously if you're staying at BW and you have a BW view and it's noisy out there, that would be different. There are always exceptions. Or if you're by the pool and it's noisy at the pool etc. Exceptions. I stated my opinion as a general rule that I follow. If I am in my room, and it's "late", I try to be courteous to the other people around me.

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning on this one. Why would someone who dosen't stay at BW be more entitled to a quite balcony versus the person who happens to land a BW view room? If a guest has there balcony door open with a BW view and then complains about the noise level do they then become less entitled then someone in the situation stated in the ops original post in your opinion?

I just think its unreasonable to complain about ambiant noise when you leave the door open, in any situation. My opinion changes when the door closes of course.

 

[Mike2023]

Ha ha -the solution: Next time jump over and do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIgyr1_Z_qA

Best solution post ever.....

 

[Sammie]

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning on this one. Why would someone who dosen't stay at BW be more entitled to a quite balcony versus the person who happens to land a BW view room? If a guest has there balcony door open with a BW view and then complains about the noise level do they then become less entitled then someone in the situation stated in the ops original post in your opinion?

I just think its unreasonable to complain about ambiant noise when you leave the door open, in any situation. My opinion changes when the door closes of course.

That was my point exactly, the entire situation of rude, respect is changed when someone leaves their door open, be it balcony or hallway. In my opinion you are inviting the noise in.

I am still freaked by the bugs that got in.

 

[k3chantal]

Isn't it time to shut the balcony doors on this thread?

 

[buzz5985]

Again, I never said Disney as a whole has to shut down. Sorry if that's the way it comes across.

Yet again, I will clarify my post, for at least the 4th time. With regards to being in your room/villa, I think 10 to 11:00 is time to quiet down. Simply out of respect and courtesy for others next to you.

So I'm not sure if you read the entire thread and felt like stirring the pot some more or what, but nowhere did I say that Disney World as a whole should shut down at 10 o'clock.

It has become evidently clear to me, on this thread at least, of the sense of entitlement and levels of "me me me" that people expect and display on a daily basis. Saying that you should try to be courteous of people in a room next to you after a certain hour has been labled as "rude" and has been at several times. Not a surprise though, as I deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis.

I know I became confused when someone mentioned the person with the door open was entitled. Anyone ever think she may be claustophobic and my feel the need for fresh air?? Of course not. Your right - too worried about me and my experience, screw anyone else that interfers with me and what I want. Hate to see what society will be like in another 10 years.

Janis

 

[AmyB2006]

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning on this one. Why would someone who dosen't stay at BW be more entitled to a quite balcony versus the person who happens to land a BW view room? If a guest has there balcony door open with a BW view and then complains about the noise level do they then become less entitled then someone in the situation stated in the ops original post in your opinion?

I just think its unreasonable to complain about ambiant noise when you leave the door open, in any situation. My opinion changes when the door closes of course.

I'm not sure your'e following what I'm trying to say. Clearly either I'm not saying it well, or people are just arguing over semantics. But I'm done explaining myself if people don't get it.

Let's just say, I agree with your last statement.

However, if we all had a little more respect for each other in general, I don't think this situation would have happened at all.

 

[Dean]

I know I became confused when someone mentioned the person with the door open was entitled. Anyone ever think she may be claustophobic and my feel the need for fresh air?? Of course not. Your right - too worried about me and my experience, screw anyone else that interfers with me and what I want. Hate to see what society will be like in another 10 years.

Janis

I can't speak for others but I did consider possible reasons why before I responded including this one. IMO it does not make a difference to the answer even if that were the case in this situation, circumstance. Had she came out and explained that she was claustrophobic and nicely asked them to be as quiet as possible, I could have understood that. It wouldn't change the answers of right/wrong but it could have, and I bet would have, changed the approach by the OP.

Of course we weren't there as we never are for these type of issues. That's why I make every effort to address the principle involved and not the specific person at every opportunity, hopefully I'm successful most of the time, I feel like I am. IMO you're way off base looking at the rest of the world as being inconsiderate and the lady with the door open as being the victim. At worst it's one person's right's vs another's and the person on the balcony wins that, it's absolute. However, it really is one vs the section of the resort within ear shot.

Person wanting to sleep with their balcony door open - no problem as long as they don't run the HVAC.
Person wanting to do the same and demand others not talk on the balcony when they're trying to sleep - 100% wrong, 100% of the time.
Person on balcony - has a responsibility to act reasonably for the situation. What's reasonable for this circumstance is somewhat variable related to other factors (time, other surroundings). For example, how noisy one is if a wedding is going on close by would be different than otherwise, I've seen this situation several times at DVC resorts including BWV and VB.

I alluded to it earlier but let me spell it out, both parties have responsibilities but they are independent responsibilities. Door open = you're assuming all responsible for accepting reasonable noise, put another way, what's reasonable noise is not variable on whether the door is open or not. However, the person on the balcony still has the responsibility of being reasonable and appropriate. I would call that personal responsibility for both parties.

 

[BestDadEver]

I am saying that once 10 to 11 rolls around and you are in your room you should be courteous to others with regards to noise. I personally wouldn't be gabbing away on my balcony, but clearly others don't feel the same. Which is their prerogative. The OP asked for opinions.

I see 9-12 or even later wind down time for parents . I don't think it's uncommon that after a long park day you get the kids to sleep , that you and you significant other use that time on the balcony to recap , plan , or just hang out . For me is the only time i like to be out there . I haven't done many resort days and , the sun is down .

You need to remember most people at WDW have kids , sitting out on the balcony when they are up isn't exactly relaxing . Cause kids don't sit .

 

[BestDadEver]

I know I became confused when someone mentioned the person with the door open was entitled. Anyone ever think she may be claustophobic and my feel the need for fresh air?? Of course not. Your right - too worried about me and my experience, screw anyone else that interfers with me and what I want. Hate to see what society will be like in another 10 years.

Janis

Like dean said its unreasonably to have both the door open and have quite . They don't go together . I couldn't even get that to happen at my own house in the suburbs .

The only one with the me attitude is the one with the door open . They want the person that spend big money on their room to not be able to use a major part of it . Actually the people on the balcony weren't barking any orders . It was the self entitled people in the other room that expect the world to revolve around them .

 

[LSchrow]

....I imagine that she probably told the OP many times in her head to, "Please be quiet I am trying to sleep." Of course, the OP cannot hear the woman's "inside voice" and her frustration starts to mount. My DW does this to me all the time. Let's face it, some of us men are very adept at annoying our women. I encourage her to speak to me with her words instead of telepathy when one of those moments happen, just for the sake of her blood pressure. .....

too funny....
i'll admit i do the same thing . think meryl streep in "the devil wears prada". a few not so noticeable signals...miss or ignore them, and you'll get "THE LOOK" (apparently pretty scary, i've been told much worse than yelling or screaming & something you never want directed at you ). mars vs venus, i guess

unfortunately, as you said, the OP wouldn't be able to notice the signals (or telepathic vibes) through walls & doors, and probably got the end result of the woman's frustration.

 

[AmyB2006]

I see 9-12 or even later wind down time for parents . I don't think it's uncommon that after a long park day you get the kids to sleep , that you and you significant other use that time on the balcony to recap , plan , or just hang out . For me is the only time i like to be out there . I haven't done many resort days and , the sun is down .

You need to remember most people at WDW have kids , sitting out on the balcony when they are up isn't exactly relaxing . Cause kids don't sit .

I am a parent with a 6 and 4 year old. I know how kids are Again, it's a difference of opinion. If I were out on my balcony at that hour, I would be whispering. I wouldn't want to take the chance that my voice would carry and disturb someone else. But that's me.

But I also don't have a problem putting my kids to bed and them falling asleep right away after a long day. And then we just stay in our room cause they're sleeping. Us talking in a normal level doesn't wake them up.

 

[Mike2023]

However, if we all had a little more respect for each other in general, I don't think this situation would have happened at all.

...and the world would be a much better place. I agree, but won't hold my breath.

 

[Dean]

However, if we all had a little more respect for each other in general, I don't think this situation would have happened at all.

I completely disagree. As posted, (talking normally 10 pm on the balcony) is the height of respectful and would not be disrespectful at 3 am either. Now we weren't there so is that really the situation, we have no way of truly knowing. That's why my comments are based on a hypothetical with assumptions. As posted there is no way one can make the case of two wrongs here.

 

[AmyB2006]

I completely disagree. As posted, (talking normally 10 pm on the balcony) is the height of respectful and would not be disrespectful at 3 am either. Now we weren't there so is that really the situation, we have no way of truly knowing. That's why my comments are based on a hypothetical with assumptions. As posted there is no way one can make the case of two wrongs here.

That's because we're only hearing one side of it. I tend to not be that person that just believes whoever they heard the story from first and take it as gospel. I hate cliches, but there's always 3 sides to every story, hers, theirs, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Everyone, not even realizing it, tends to exaggerate or leave out little details.

You can disagree all you want. You don't think that if everyone in this situation had more respect that it wouldn't have happened? I happen to say this mainly because if the woman with her door open had more respect, she wouldn't have yelled at the original poster and slammed her door. She could have asked nicely.

However, you keep mentioning about how we weren't there. You're right. We don't know if the levels they were talking in were louder than what she is portraying. Probably not, but we don't know. I wouldn't have been talking in "normal" voices on my balcony even at 10 or 11, because I have more respect for the people around me than that. It's a difference of opinion, and you are allowed to disagree all you want. That's why my comments are made from looking at this from all different angles and trying to see both sides.

And I say that as a general observation of the world. Everyone needs to be more respectful of people around us. The world would be a lot better off.

ETA... Now, even though I say I wouldn't be talking on my own balcony at 10 or 11 pm, I realize that people have a different opinion. Just because this is my opinion doesn't mean I expect everyone to do the same. I think that's where people got upset with my statements. Rest assured I would never yell at you if you're on your balcony talking at 11 pm. Maybe 3 am.


Just kidding.

 

[Dean]

That's because we're only hearing one side of it. I tend to not be that person that just believes whoever they heard the story from first and take it as gospel. I hate cliches, but there's always 3 sides to every story, hers, theirs, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Everyone, not even realizing it, tends to exaggerate or leave out little details.

You can disagree all you want. You don't think that if everyone in this situation had more respect that it wouldn't have happened? I happen to say this mainly because if the woman with her door open had more respect, she wouldn't have yelled at the original poster and slammed her door. She could have asked nicely.

However, you keep mentioning about how we weren't there. You're right. We don't know if the levels they were talking in were louder than what she is portraying. Probably not, but we don't know. I wouldn't have been talking in "normal" voices on my balcony even at 10 or 11, because I have more respect for the people around me than that. It's a difference of opinion, and you are allowed to disagree all you want. That's why my comments are made from looking at this from all different angles and trying to see both sides.

And I say that as a general observation of the world. Everyone needs to be more respectful of people around us. The world would be a lot better off.

That's why I address the hypothetical and why I qualified my statements. My statements would be independent of one side vs another and they are absolute in that regard.

I don't think there's anything disrespectful about taking at a normal voice on the balcony at 10 pm or 3 am so no I don't think it would make any difference in the situation as stated. Whether that was actually the real circumstance, we have no way of knowing even if we had both sides. Special circumstances could happen that would alter things temporarily (weddings, funerals, etc).

In a sense I think we're really responding to 2 different issues. I'm talking to the principle and you're trying to analyze the specifics of a situation we don't have enough info to do so. However, to expect whispering on the balcony is unreasonable. If that's your choice, I have no problem with it but it does not show more respect than someone talking in a reasonable and normal voice.