It was pretty long (maybe not 2.5 hrs) on one of our past trips (80% certain it was the 4th of July trip, when MK closed due to capacity). There were two lines, side by side, and both began outside of the building.
OMG has anyone else seen this article!?!
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It was pretty long (maybe not 2.5 hrs) on one of our past trips (80% certain it was the 4th of July trip, when MK closed due to capacity). There were two lines, side by side, and both began outside of the building.
bocaj1431
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In any given month, day of the week, or time of the day there will be differences in wait times. There can be unforseen events; such as, the weather, a malfunction in the ride earlier in the day, a school or recreational group deciding to hit that ride all at the same time, etc.
I think it is very presumptuous to assume you have more knowledge than WDW in Pearls about what occurred the day she was in line at It's a Small World. To declare that she was either "exagerating, or mistaken" about her own experience is bordering on rude. You can still make your own point known without having to attack another individuals charachter.
Maybe you did not realize that is what you were doing by the choice of words you used. Hopefully that is the case.
Aliceacc
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It cracks me up every time I see the NY Post quoted on anything other than the weather.
But I've got to ask: if there is indeed such a "service"-- why would anyone admit it (even to the Post??) They would HAVE to realize that their little secret would be over once Disney got wind of it.
But I've got to ask: if there is indeed such a "service"-- why would anyone admit it (even to the Post??) They would HAVE to realize that their little secret would be over once Disney got wind of it.
beer dave
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This is a discussion forum. If you think debate is rude, you should not be here.
Apparently it is okay for you to call me presumptuous and rude. That is not debate, it is a personal attack. I am entitled to my opinion, which is what I have expressed. Since you do not like my position in a debate, you chose to insult.
Nice.
beer dave
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right? and a couple more about merida, and another about please give me free dinning, and maybe another personal blog about video games.
bocaj1431
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If you read my comment, it was very clear there was no "attack". I did not call you rude. I said the words you chose were bordering on rude. Also, it was clear by my comment, that having opinions about the topic was not the problem. I merely pointed out that there were other ways to make your point than to do so in the manner that you did.
I do not believe these forums were created to debate one another. They are a forum which provides information and discussion about everything Disneyf. In addition they provide a community for people who enjoy Disney to meet with others who have the same interests. Will debates arise, of course but, it is possible to debate without making it about the individual.
There are plenty of posters who disagreed with the topic and those individuals, who may have shared a different point of view. However they chose to express their differing views in a manner that was based on the topic and not the individual making the comment.
Is it a big deal , No. I just do not enjoy reading posts where people resort to those tactics.
Sorry, if I offended you.
lockedoutlogic
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Wick
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They don't do this because it's too much of a hassle to act like they're handicapped for the day- maneuvering around the park, getting in and out of the chair itself, etc. They also just plain don't want to be seen as handicapped. Easier to just pay someone.
Yes the NY Post is a glorified tabloid, but I know this story to be true and know people who have paid for these types of black market services- not the exact one named in the article. But there are others, I assure you.
A poster reported a long wait at It's a Small World during Presidents week. Not sure why some posters insist the poster is lying, exaggerating or doesn't know how to tell time. I've seen a long line, over an hour, after the afternoon parade. It wasn't during a holiday period and MK wasn't closed due to capacity. I have no reason to doubt a poster who claims such a wait during a peak holiday day.
That said the actual wait time isn't really relevant. The guide may have told the family she saved them a wait of 2 1/2 hours. Tell your friends how much time you saved by using my services. Do you think the family that paid for her services, were escorted directly into the handicap queue? Do you think they even looked at the waiting time sign? My guess is they saw a long line and accepted the 2 1/2 hour wait as accurate.
The NY Post is sort of a second (third?) rate newspaper. It's not a supermarket tabloid. The story sounds plausible, even credible.
In one of the other threads I posted a couple of links. Disney is investigating.
Paying over $100 /hour for a private guide. You want to call that something the 1% does. I guess that's one way of putting it.
That said the actual wait time isn't really relevant. The guide may have told the family she saved them a wait of 2 1/2 hours. Tell your friends how much time you saved by using my services. Do you think the family that paid for her services, were escorted directly into the handicap queue? Do you think they even looked at the waiting time sign? My guess is they saw a long line and accepted the 2 1/2 hour wait as accurate.
The NY Post is sort of a second (third?) rate newspaper. It's not a supermarket tabloid. The story sounds plausible, even credible.
In one of the other threads I posted a couple of links. Disney is investigating.
Paying over $100 /hour for a private guide. You want to call that something the 1% does. I guess that's one way of putting it.
racefanof88
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I still don't buy this story. If, as you say, it would be too much of a hassle for them to act handicapped while trying to maneuver around the park, would it not also be true that it would be a hassle to BE with a handicapped 'tour' guide? The group would have to stay together for them to 'benefit' from the 'guides' handicap, so they would have the same maneuvering hassle.
I have a friend who has to use a motorized wheelchair and any time we are in the parks together we have to be in a group when we get to a ride. We are lead to a separate loading area, together, where we wait. It isn't necessarily faster as there are only so many wheelchair spots on a ride so the standby line may actually move faster.
While I don't doubt people try to use whatever 'advantage' they think they can to get ahead in line, I just don't see this as a legitimate story. The so called 1% would NEVER give away a 'secret' such as this as it would no longer be something exclusive for them to enjoy.
If you look at the website for the company the Post is slandering you will see that the company offers tour guides FOR the handicapped, NOT handicapped tour guides. Thanks to the slanderous article they are no longer offering this service to people who truly need the service, and I hope they sue the ink out of the Post!!!
That's the problem when multiple threads are left open. Discussion gets fragmented in multiple threads. I looked at their website, and posted a quote with link yesterday.
http://disboards.com/showpost.php?p=48403361&postcount=35
According to the article in the NY Post Jacie, the employee running the tours, has some kind of auto-immune disorder and uses a scooter when conducting a tour. The website mentions Jacie's own disabling experiences.
I can't find any reference to a lawsuit against the NY Post. It's one thing claiming you've been slandered, it's another thing to prove it. I have seen reports which state Disney is investigating the situation.
Just my take. Tours use a combination of back door access at attractions like Small World which offer such access, good timing for some attractions, good use of fast pass and maybe get an occasional CM to cut some slack. World of mouth makes the tour sounds like it's offering more then it is.
Slander? Sorry to say the store sounds true, at least the part where customers think their guide in the scooter is getting them very short waiting times because of knowledge of how Disney handles disabled.
edited to add: The company describes the tours they offer.
http://www.dreamtoursflorida.com/the-program/disney-1/
We know the claim I bolded is almost always false.
What makes you think the NY Post story is slanderous? Why would you believe anything the company says?
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25 years ago, many lines were not wheelchair accessible, but almost all of the newer attractions (and many of the older ones) are accessible in the regular (Mainstream) line.
So wheelchair or ECV = front of line has not been true for a long time. Even when there were many attractions with special arrangements for guests using wheelchairs, that didn't always mean shorter wait, just a different place to wait.
Since Small World was mentioned in the article with a "one minute wait" for the disabled tour guide when the regular line was 2 and 1/2 hours .......
This picture shows the handicapped line for Small World.
It is required to be used by guests with mobility devices (like wheelchairs) because the regular line is not accessible. It is also used by some guests with GACs. In our experience, often over 1/2 of the guests/groups using it are using it for that reason - they don't have a mobility device.
Small World doesn't have a 'back door' entrance.
This picture shows a time when the wait was similar or possibly slightly shorter than the wait in the 'regular line.' The handicapped boarding area is toward the left side of the picture, down at the bottom of the ramp.The ramp at the top of the picture is part of the regular line. The ramp people are coming up on the right of the picture, toward you is the exit.
This picture show Small World at a time when the wait in the handicapped area was longer than the wait in the regular line.
My family was at the bottom of the ramp, waiting to get on. The picture is taken from the opposite direct compared to the first picture, looking toward the entrance and exit.
The ramp on the far left of the picture has the people who will get on the next 2 boats.
The ramp in the middle is the exit ramp. The ramp to the far right of the picture is the handicapped line and it went all the way to the entrance and out the gate at the top. People who did not have wheelchairs might have had a shorter wait in the regular line ( in this case, they would have since we saw the people who were just ahead of us entering the regular line get on way before us).
These are some more pictures of Small World that show a longer wait.
The posted wait time for the regular line was 25 minutes and you can see people, at least in this part of the regular line you can see, are widely spaced.
This is the handicapped line at the same time.
The actual entrance to handicapped line is way up where you can see a man and woman in orange shirts. It extends from the front of this picture all the down the ramp that is shown in the pictures in the previous post. All the people to the right of the photo are also part of the handicapped line.
The regular entrance is where you can see a sign in the background, between the heads of 2 people with orange hats.
In this case, people in the handicapped line will be waiting longer.
And, the extra wait can be much longer. One recent trip, my DH and DD had gone to Small World while I went on something DD is not able to go on. I know what time they got into line because DH texted me when they got in the line.
When I arrived at Small World, they had already been waiting for 25 minutes in the handicapped line. I could not get to them since they were in the bottom 1/3 of the handicapped line ramp shown in the picture and the handicapped line ramp was full all the way to the top.
I got in the regular line and planned to meet them later - DH was going to get DD something to drink while they waited for me to be done. 20 minutes later, I got on a boat - 3 boats behind them.
So, I waited 20 minutes (which was the posted time). They waited 45.
They did have to wait for a wheelchair accessible boat, but hadn't let 3 groups who didnt need the wheelchair boat from behind them in that line go past to board, so their wait in the line was not increased more than a few minutes by needing the wheelchair boat.
So wheelchair or ECV = front of line has not been true for a long time. Even when there were many attractions with special arrangements for guests using wheelchairs, that didn't always mean shorter wait, just a different place to wait.
Since Small World was mentioned in the article with a "one minute wait" for the disabled tour guide when the regular line was 2 and 1/2 hours .......
This picture shows the handicapped line for Small World.
It is required to be used by guests with mobility devices (like wheelchairs) because the regular line is not accessible. It is also used by some guests with GACs. In our experience, often over 1/2 of the guests/groups using it are using it for that reason - they don't have a mobility device.
Small World doesn't have a 'back door' entrance.
This picture shows a time when the wait was similar or possibly slightly shorter than the wait in the 'regular line.' The handicapped boarding area is toward the left side of the picture, down at the bottom of the ramp.The ramp at the top of the picture is part of the regular line. The ramp people are coming up on the right of the picture, toward you is the exit.
This picture show Small World at a time when the wait in the handicapped area was longer than the wait in the regular line.
My family was at the bottom of the ramp, waiting to get on. The picture is taken from the opposite direct compared to the first picture, looking toward the entrance and exit.
The ramp on the far left of the picture has the people who will get on the next 2 boats.
The ramp in the middle is the exit ramp. The ramp to the far right of the picture is the handicapped line and it went all the way to the entrance and out the gate at the top. People who did not have wheelchairs might have had a shorter wait in the regular line ( in this case, they would have since we saw the people who were just ahead of us entering the regular line get on way before us).
These are some more pictures of Small World that show a longer wait.
The posted wait time for the regular line was 25 minutes and you can see people, at least in this part of the regular line you can see, are widely spaced.
This is the handicapped line at the same time.
The actual entrance to handicapped line is way up where you can see a man and woman in orange shirts. It extends from the front of this picture all the down the ramp that is shown in the pictures in the previous post. All the people to the right of the photo are also part of the handicapped line.
The regular entrance is where you can see a sign in the background, between the heads of 2 people with orange hats.
In this case, people in the handicapped line will be waiting longer.
And, the extra wait can be much longer. One recent trip, my DH and DD had gone to Small World while I went on something DD is not able to go on. I know what time they got into line because DH texted me when they got in the line.
When I arrived at Small World, they had already been waiting for 25 minutes in the handicapped line. I could not get to them since they were in the bottom 1/3 of the handicapped line ramp shown in the picture and the handicapped line ramp was full all the way to the top.
I got in the regular line and planned to meet them later - DH was going to get DD something to drink while they waited for me to be done. 20 minutes later, I got on a boat - 3 boats behind them.
So, I waited 20 minutes (which was the posted time). They waited 45.
They did have to wait for a wheelchair accessible boat, but hadn't let 3 groups who didnt need the wheelchair boat from behind them in that line go past to board, so their wait in the line was not increased more than a few minutes by needing the wheelchair boat.
racefanof88
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Why would I believe Dream Tours over the NY Post? Really? Really? Hmmmmm, well Dream Tours has not been proven to consistently lie and publish false and misleading articles, unlike the post. Nowhere on the company site does it say they offer handicapped tour guides. It does however go into detail about the services they offer TO the handicapped. If you look at the pictures on their site you will see the majority of their clients appear to be developmentally disabled.
racefanof88
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25 years ago, many lines were not wheelchair accessible, but almost all of the newer attractions (and many of the older ones) are accessible in the regular (Mainstream) line.
So wheelchair or ECV = front of line has not been true for a long time. Even when there were many attractions with special arrangements for guests using wheelchairs, that didn't always mean shorter wait, just a different place to wait.
Since Small World was mentioned in the article with a "one minute wait" for the disabled tour guide when the regular line was 2 and 1/2 hours .......
This picture shows the handicapped line for Small World.
It is required to be used by guests with mobility devices (like wheelchairs) because the regular line is not accessible. It is also used by some guests with GACs. In our experience, often over 1/2 of the guests/groups using it are using it for that reason - they don't have a mobility device.
Small World doesn't have a 'back door' entrance.
This picture shows a time when the wait was similar or possibly slightly shorter than the wait in the 'regular line.' The handicapped boarding area is toward the left side of the picture, down at the bottom of the ramp.The ramp at the top of the picture is part of the regular line. The ramp people are coming up on the right of the picture, toward you is the exit.
This picture show Small World at a time when the wait in the handicapped area was longer than the wait in the regular line.
My family was at the bottom of the ramp, waiting to get on. The picture is taken from the opposite direct compared to the first picture, looking toward the entrance and exit.
The ramp on the far left of the picture has the people who will get on the next 2 boats.
The ramp in the middle is the exit ramp. The ramp to the far right of the picture is the handicapped line and it went all the way to the entrance and out the gate at the top. People who did not have wheelchairs might have had a shorter wait in the regular line ( in this case, they would have since we saw the people who were just ahead of us entering the regular line get on way before us).
These are some more pictures of Small World that show a longer wait.
The posted wait time for the regular line was 25 minutes and you can see people, at least in this part of the regular line you can see, are widely spaced.
This is the handicapped line at the same time.
The actual entrance to handicapped line is way up where you can see a man and woman in orange shirts. It extends from the front of this picture all the down the ramp that is shown in the pictures in the previous post. All the people to the right of the photo are also part of the handicapped line.
The regular entrance is where you can see a sign in the background, between the heads of 2 people with orange hats.
In this case, people in the handicapped line will be waiting longer.
And, the extra wait can be much longer. One recent trip, my DH and DD had gone to Small World while I went on something DD is not able to go on. I know what time they got into line because DH texted me when they got in the line.
When I arrived at Small World, they had already been waiting for 25 minutes in the handicapped line. I could not get to them since they were in the bottom 1/3 of the handicapped line ramp shown in the picture and the handicapped line ramp was full all the way to the top.
I got in the regular line and planned to meet them later - DH was going to get DD something to drink while they waited for me to be done. 20 minutes later, I got on a boat - 3 boats behind them.
So, I waited 20 minutes (which was the posted time). They waited 45.
They did have to wait for a wheelchair accessible boat, but hadn't let 3 groups who didnt need the wheelchair boat from behind them in that line go past to board, so their wait in the line was not increased more than a few minutes by needing the wheelchair boat.
That has been my experience more than once when we have been in the park with our friend who has to use a motorized wheelchair. Since there are only so many ride vehicles that can accommodate a wheelchair, we have waited longer than the standby line depending on how many wheelchairs are in the queuing area.
I was going to ask you to re-read my post. Instead I'll re post a quote from Dream Tours site:
Dream Tours lies and posts false and misleading statements.
as for the NY Post. They sensationalize and exaggerate. I don't know why they would decide to libel a small Disney tour company but
I can understand why a small tour company, hungry for business, might market their services in way which suggests the rich will get special access if they book the right tour company and get the right guide.
racefanof88
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Again, my MAIN contention with the article all along has been the misleading comment stating that the company offers 'handicapped or disabled' tour guides. Getting nit picky about ONE line in the company's description is really going to extremes don't you think?
Being a nurse, and at times, having worked with patients with severe developmental disabilities, I would say it is very possible they have little to no wait times. There are some with these type disabilities that do not handle long wait times, nor large crowds, very well. I can see Disney, in the best interest of the customer, both disabled and not, letting them get on rides sooner than someone who does not have this type disability. If over stimulated it isn't unheard of for someone with severe developmental disabilities to become violent.
Again, NOWHERE in the company information does it say they offer disabled/handicapped tour guides. Not only would it be disgusting for Dream Tours to offer disabled/handicapped tour guides, it would border on exploitation!
You don't see why the Post would slander and libel a company? Why would the National Enquirer and other tabloids slander and libel? Well, it is done to sell papers, PERIOD. Almost anytime the name Disney is in an article it gets read. These papers know that to sell it has to be something sensational to catch the attention of the readers. Newspapers and magazines are going to the way side so they have to do whatever it takes to make a sale. Lawsuits are rare only because it is so costly to fight the slimy lawyers hired by these rags.
murphy7573
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I totally believe it. I just think that they are morons for even paying as much as they did. I'm a DVC mbr and my daughter is 4 right now so we go to Disneyland and DisneyWorld off season currently. My Correctional Officer, steroid using brother-in-law and his family are elementary school age children and he has to go now during peak season. When he goes to Disneyland he goes to guest services and tells them that he "cannot stand in long lines" due to some sort of fake foot condition he tells them. They just give him the pass where he can access the "physically disabled" part of the line (i.e. the exit) and gets on obviously faster. And this was suggested to him by other correctional officers that he works with. Oh and his cost was $0. Disney does not even try to ask for a medical documentation. So all of you can do it, too...if you don't have a conscience or morals like my BIL the "peace officer" !
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