Old Navy Debuts Gay Pride T-Shirts For It Gets Better

[bdcp]

There is a lot the US could learn from the Canadians, same-sex marriage being one of those things. Another thing we could learn is how to make Universal Health Insurance work, implementing gun control that actually works, and most importantly - how to get along with our fellow countrymen without making big, fat, hairy issues out of things that shouldn't be issues in the first place.

I consider Canada one of the ultimate "live and let live" countries and I'm proud to be a neighbor to them.

Off topic, but seriously? Their universal healthcare has tons of problems, they have just as much crime as we do and as far as "getting along with our fellow countrymen" um, ever heard of Quebec and their relationship with a lot of Canada? We happen to have good friends in BC and believe me, Canada doesn't have anything over us. Don't romanticize a country.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Great point. I never thought about it that way, but it is very much like laws in southern states that made iterracial marriage illegal.

South Carolina didn't repeal theirs til 1998 'n Alabama in 2000. It's hard to believe they had to vote on it.

 

[bdcp]

Great point. I never thought about it that way, but it is very much like laws in southern states that made iterracial marriage illegal.

Not quite. That's all I'm going to say because I don't want to get the moderators in a tizzy.

 

[Goofyluver]

While I don't have a problem with any one in a gay/lesbian relationship. I won't buy a shirt promoting that lifestyle

Exactly. I'm sure there are many here on the DIS who really don't care for the Gay lifestyle but they sure as heck aren't going to say anything.

I don't know that we're back in the stone age, but there certainly isn't as much support for the Gay lifestyle as people would like to believe there is.

I live a heterosexual lifestyle and my agenda is to live a happy life. Others live a homosexual lifestyle and their agenda is whatever their agenda is.

Myth of the 'gay lifestyle' justifies bias

On most mornings, my better half wakes up around 5:30, throws on some sweats and heads to the gym before work.

About a half hour later, I wake up my 13-year-old son, go downstairs to the kitchen to make his breakfast and pack his lunch. Once he's out the door, I brew some coffee and get to work.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the "gay lifestyle" -- run for your heterosexual lives.

<snip>

Being gay doesn't dictate how people live their lives any more than being straight does. There are gay people who go to church every Sunday and straight people who do not believe in God. There are single gay men who believe in the sanctity of marriage and married straight men who apparently do not -- such as Gov. Mark Sanford, ex-Sen. John Edwards and Sen. John Ensign, to name a few.

The truth is the only thing all gay people have in common -- you know, besides being gay -- is that we face continuous rhetorical, social and legal attacks for simply existing, thus potentially making something as mundane as bringing a date to a work function a fight-or-flee situation.

There's more at the link.

 

[Goofyluver]

the sentiment here is that you should be allowed to marry anyone that you want. well, i am married, but have my eye on a hot little number that lives up the street. what are the thoughts that i can also marry her? i think my wife would be ok with it.

Marry her if ya' want.

All I want is the right to marry one woman, and I want the government to afford us the legal recognition (and accompanying rights) that are given automatically to married heterosexual couples.

 

[Carly_Roach]

Myth of the 'gay lifestyle' justifies biasThere's more at the link.

I'm not going to apologize for using a perfectly good word such as lifestyle. We each have a lifestyle - a style in which we live our lives.

Parents have a parenting lifestyle.
DINKs have a DINK lifestyle.
Single people have a single's lifestyle.
Heterosexual people have a het lifestyle.
Gay people have a Gay lifestyle.
Asperger's people live Aspie lifestyles.
ADHD people live their spastic lifestyles.
There's the gym lifestyle.
There's the couch-potato lifestyle.
There's the power/mall-walkers lifestyle.
There's the gardener's lifestyle.
The Grandmother lifestyle.
There's are MANY un-family-friendly lifestyles that I know about but can't mention here.


It's a lifestyle and I'm going to use that word. If you choose to take offense, it's on you. Not me.

 

[Goofyluver]

I'm not going to apologize for using a perfectly good word such as lifestyle. We each have a lifestyle - a style in which we live our lives.

Parents have a parenting lifestyle.
DINKs have a DINK lifestyle.
Single people have a single's lifestyle.
Heterosexual people have a het lifestyle.
Gay people have a Gay lifestyle.
Asperger's people live Aspie lifestyles.
ADHD people live their spastic lifestyles.
There's the gym lifestyle.
There's the couch-potato lifestyle.
There's the power/mall-walkers lifestyle.
There's the gardener's lifestyle.
The Grandmother lifestyle.
There's are MANY un-family-friendly lifestyles that I know about but can't mention here.


It's a lifestyle and I'm going to use that word. If you choose to take offense, it's on you. Not me.

Oh honey, it takes much more than you to offend me.

 

[snapppyd]

Oh honey, it takes much more than you to offend me.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I think you need to research the word 'lifestyle' more thoroughly. A simple check of the definition shows there isn't "a" lifestyle for any group (not even the rich & famous, despite what Robin Leach thinks. Certainly there's no one lifestyle for people with Asperger's or ADHD - how can there be, when there are different degrees of the conditions. By the way, I'm surprised to see you state any group with any particular medical condition 'spastic' .

There's absolutely no heterosexual lifestyle. How could there be? And then to claim there's a single lifestyle? How do you classify people who fall into more than one group - say, gay married parents, one with ADHD and one with Asperger's, who go to the gym and power-walk at the mall?

I'm not going to apologize for using a perfectly good word such as lifestyle. We each have a lifestyle - a style in which we live our lives.

Parents have a parenting lifestyle.
DINKs have a DINK lifestyle.
Single people have a single's lifestyle.
Heterosexual people have a het lifestyle.
Gay people have a Gay lifestyle.
Asperger's people live Aspie lifestyles.
ADHD people live their spastic lifestyles.
There's the gym lifestyle.
There's the couch-potato lifestyle.
There's the power/mall-walkers lifestyle.
There's the gardener's lifestyle.
The Grandmother lifestyle.

There's are MANY un-family-friendly lifestyles that I know about but can't mention here.

It's a lifestyle and I'm going to use that word. If you choose to take offense, it's on you. Not me.

 

[Carly_Roach]

Oh honey, it takes much more than you to offend me.

I'm glad to hear it. I read the article you posted. Very similar to the 100's of articles I've read about the exact same thing and the dozens of shows I've seen either discussing or demonstrating how Gay people live. Are you familiar with Queer as Folk? A personal favorite of mine. Just the right combination of men. I have all five seasons on DVD and can loan them out if you missed an episode.

Perhaps you've seen The L Word? I don't have any of those seasons because I tend to lose patience with women (gay or straight) who intentionally make their lives overly dramatic. But I've seen all the shows.

Ever seen All Aboard Rosie's Family Cruise? You should. It'll make you tear up. There are several wedding scenes in that documentary and my favorite is when the two men who've adopted so many children get married surrounded by their children.

My point is this: even someone such as myself - a person who may not necessarily want the gay lifestyle for herself but understands that others do and they deserve to be happy so I keep my nose out of their business - gets tarred with the same "homophobe" brush and is considered to be just as bad as those who picket soldier's funerals if I'm not agreeing with y'all 100%. It seems to be all or nothing with a lot of homosexuals and homosexual supporters.

I don't believe I'm alone in thinking that if someone demands all or nothing from me, then they're going to be getting nothing. It is precisely that "in your face" BS attitude that makes intelligent, understanding, patient people, who would typically vote in the best interest of the minority group because it seems to be the right thing to do, decide that if they're going to do the time then they're going to do the crime and vote against the minority's interest.

Your article quoted Harvey Milk (yes, I've seen the movie several times) who said, "If we're going to convince the 90 percent to give a ---- about us 10 percent, we have to let them know who we are ..."

If your idea of letting us know who you are is to put us down when we don't agree 100% with you, then don't be surprised when "the 90% stop giving a --- about the 10%".

 

[Goofyluver]

I'm glad to hear it. I read the article you posted. Very similar to the 100's of articles I've read about the exact same thing and the dozens of shows I've seen either discussing or demonstrating how Gay people live. Are you familiar with Queer as Folk? A personal favorite of mine. Just the right combination of men. I have all five seasons on DVD and can loan them out if you missed an episode.

Perhaps you've seen The L Word? I don't have any of those seasons because I tend to lose patience with women (gay or straight) who intentionally make their lives overly dramatic. But I've seen all the shows.

Ever seen All Aboard Rosie's Family Cruise? You should. It'll make you tear up. There are several wedding scenes in that documentary and my favorite is when the two men who've adopted so many children get married surrounded by their children.

My point is this: even someone such as myself - a person who may not necessarily want the gay lifestyle for herself but understands that others do and they deserve to be happy so I keep my nose out of their business - gets tarred with the same "homophobe" brush and is considered to be just as bad as those who picket soldier's funerals if I'm not agreeing with y'all 100%. It seems to be all or nothing with a lot of homosexuals and homosexual supporters.

I don't believe I'm alone in thinking that if someone demands all or nothing from me, then they're going to be getting nothing. It is precisely that "in your face" BS attitude that makes intelligent, understanding, patient people, who would typically vote in the best interest of the minority group because it seems to be the right thing to do, decide that if they're going to do the time then they're going to do the crime and vote against the minority's interest.

Your article quoted Harvey Milk (yes, I've seen the movie several times) who said, "If we're going to convince the 90 percent to give a ---- about us 10 percent, we have to let them know who we are ..."

If your idea of letting us know who you are is to put us down when we don't agree 100% with you, then don't be surprised when "the 90% stop giving a --- about the 10%".

Did ya' read the Milk quote in my siggy too? It's a personal fav.

Sometimes people post things to make a point. Sometimes people post to inform and educate.

Oh, and I loved "L Word". Not so much "The Real L Word"...cause I hate lesbian drama. There's never so much drama between females as when you get a group of lesbians together.

One more thing...who said anyone here was a homophobe? And who was putting people down? I just posted a link.

 

[Carly_Roach]

I think you need to research the word 'lifestyle' more thoroughly. A simple check of the definition shows there isn't "a" lifestyle for any group (not even the rich & famous, despite what Robin Leach thinks.

Ah....research. My bread and butter. You'll be sorry you went there:

Dictionary.com

life·style 

–noun
the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.

Also, life style, life-style .


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Origin:
1925–30; life + style

LifestyleFrom Wikipedia

Lifestyle is a term to describe the way a person lives, which originally coined by Austrian psychologist Alfred Adler in 1929. The current broader sense of the word dates from 1961. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_(sociology)

Lifestyle may refer to:

lifestyle (sociology), the way a person lives

Web definitions

life style: a manner of living that reflects the person's values and attitudes
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A person's pattern of living as expressed in his or her activities, interests, and opinions.
www.esd.rgs.org/glossarypopup.html

Set of values according to which, a person lives his or her life. Includes the beliefs that person could have.
www.aslavesheart.com/dictionary.html

The overall mode of living of an individual or group of people, as represented by the type of housing, transport they utilize, work and leisure activities in which they engage, types of clothing, food, and other products and services they purchase, and image they convey.
www.eearneasy.com/textile-j-n.html

Do not seek to "educate" me. You may be surprised at what you get back.

 

[ols386]

I thought the term "lifestyle" implied that it is/was a choice.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I'm glad to hear it. I read the article you posted. Very similar to the 100's of articles I've read about the exact same thing and the dozens of shows I've seen either discussing or demonstrating how Gay people live. Are you familiar with Queer as Folk? A personal favorite of mine. Just the right combination of men. I have all five seasons on DVD and can loan them out if you missed an episode.

Perhaps you've seen The L Word? I don't have any of those seasons because I tend to lose patience with women (gay or straight) who intentionally make their lives overly dramatic. But I've seen all the shows.

Ever seen All Aboard Rosie's Family Cruise? You should. It'll make you tear up. There are several wedding scenes in that documentary and my favorite is when the two men who've adopted so many children get married surrounded by their children.

My point is this: even someone such as myself - a person who may not necessarily want the gay lifestyle for herself but understands that others do and they deserve to be happy so I keep my nose out of their business - gets tarred with the same "homophobe" brush and is considered to be just as bad as those who picket soldier's funerals if I'm not agreeing with y'all 100%. It seems to be all or nothing with a lot of homosexuals and homosexual supporters.

I don't believe I'm alone in thinking that if someone demands all or nothing from me, then they're going to be getting nothing. It is precisely that "in your face" BS attitude that makes intelligent, understanding, patient people, who would typically vote in the best interest of the minority group because it seems to be the right thing to do, decide that if they're going to do the time then they're going to do the crime and vote against the minority's interest.

Your article quoted Harvey Milk (yes, I've seen the movie several times) who said, "If we're going to convince the 90 percent to give a ---- about us 10 percent, we have to let them know who we are ..."

If your idea of letting us know who you are is to put us down when we don't agree 100% with you, then don't be surprised when "the 90% stop giving a --- about the 10%".

Hey, I love TV shows 'n movies, ever see Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing? Great movie!

 

[Carly_Roach]

Did ya' read the Milk quote in my siggy too? It's a personal fav. No. I have signatures, photos and all that stuff turned off. It speeds up the loading process.

Sometimes people post things to make a point. Sometimes people post to inform and educate.

Oh, and I loved "L Word". Not so much "The Real L Word"...cause I hate lesbian drama. There's never so much drama between females as when you get a group of lesbians together. Tell me about it! Has anyone spilled the beans yet on who killed Jenny Schecter? (God I hated her so much!) I tried watching "The Real L Word", I really did. But couldn't get up enough energy to care about those women and their silly melodramas.

One more thing...who said anyone here was a homophobe? And who was putting people down? I just posted a link.

Yeah, after you quoted me four or five times using the word 'lifestyle'.

 

[kaytieeldr]

My point is this: even someone such as myself - a person who may not necessarily want the gay lifestyle for herself

You're still not getting it. Being gay (or straight) isn't a lifestyle. If it were, those two men on Rosie's cruise who adopted a lot of kids and got married and had you tearing up would be living exactly like the women on The L Word. RainbowBrite would be living exactly like Uncle Remus. That's what a lifestyle is.

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Afraid to read the whole thread, but I'm getting the white one when they come out.

Nice to see a company to go out on a limb.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Ah....research. My bread and butter. You'll be sorry you went there:





Web definitions







Do not seek to "educate" me. You may be surprised at what you get back.

I found all that too. I wouldn't go into a battle unarmed. Not once in anything you quoted did the word sexuality appear. Therefore, being heterosexual, homosexual, or any other possibility is not, by definition, a lifestyle.

Also note that lifestyle is a relatively new word, less than 100 years old. Sexuality has been in existence as long as animals.

 

[RainbowBrite]

You're still not getting it. Being gay (or straight) isn't a lifestyle. If it were, those two men on Rosie's cruise who adopted a lot of kids and got married and had you tearing up would be living exactly like the women on The L Word. RainbowBrite would be living exactly like Uncle Remus. That's what a lifestyle is.

And I don't know what Uncle Remus does with their day but I get up in the morning, go to work, come home, work out, shower, eat dinner then get on the DIS/watch tv/read a book, etc. I don't go to gay clubs, I don't attend gay pride parades nor do I even have anything with rainbows on it in my apartment (my username actually comes from a nickname I got in high school before I ever came out as a lesbian - it was because I dyed my hair often and sometimes my hair was multi-colored. Also because I'm a total 80's child!). So I guess I'm not living the gay lifestyle!

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

I flew in for the big gay pride festival on the 11th

Yes, all homosexuals must check in with the Gay Committee every year to make sure they are accounted for.