OKW pool slide

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by WebmasterDoc
... The resort sold out (twice)- even without a slide!

Just curious, does anyone know how many total units were added to OKW when they did the expansion?

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Chuck S
{snip} Now, for the life of me, I fail to understand how an amenity, or lack thereof, at one DVC resort "affects the entire DVC membership". For instance, if BWV discontinued room service, how in the world would that have any affect upon me as an OKW owner?

Oh good, that's an easy one. When OKW, HH, Vero, WLV, BCV, or HH owners stay at BWV using thier home resort points after the 7 month window they won't have the advantage of being able to use room service, part of the packages of services they bought as a DVC member being able to make reservations at all DVC resorts using the 7 month window. That change of eliminating room service would affect any non-BWV DVC owner who planned to use thier points to stay at BWV in the 7 month window, the option to stay at BWV being a major part of what they purchased. That's a simple one. The only way it wouldn't affect you is if you never stayed at BWV. If that's the case, that's your choice, but I don't think it's realistic or appropriate to assume that applies to every home resort owner - that they would never stay at any of the other resorts. That's not what we purchased, we purchased several resort alternatives with a 4 month reservation advantage at one of them. It's really very simple, I wouldn't put your life on it, it's much too simple a concept to take it to that extreme.

It works the same for the slide or the amenities of any of the other DVC resorts for which one would like to use thier points to stay. For instance, a huge major change would be if HH no longer offerred a beach house for guests. That would impact anyone wanting to use thier points at HH, they would miss out on having thier own private pool and beach house area on teh HH beach, a huge major loss to anyone, regardless if you never go there, that kind of change would probably impact the resale value of your points (? just personal speculation to make a point). Some people like knowing that the option exists to go to the beach at HH using thier points.

Hope that helps. It's really a pretty clear point.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by Desperado
Oh good, that's an easy one. When OKW, HH, Vero, WLV, BCV, or HH owners stay at BWV using thier home resort points after the 7 month window they won't have the advantage of being able to use room service, part of the complete packages of services they bought at a DVC member. That change of elliminating room service would affect any non-BWV DVC owner who planned to use thier points to stay at BWV in the 7 month window, a major part of what they purchased. That's a simple one. The only way it wouldn't affect you is if you never stayed at BWV. I that's the case, that's your choice, but I don't think it's realistic or appropriate to assume that applies to every home resort owner that they would never stay at any of the other resorts. That's not what we purchased. It's really very simple, I wouldn't put your life on it, it's much to simple a concept to take it to that extreme.

But MOST of the owners bought OKW prior to any other resorts being built that offered room service, slides, etc. So, just as a lack of an amenity at BWV isn't what you purchased, can't that same be said about the early members at OKW, a slide isn't what they purchased? And we certainly never bought with the intent of trading to BWV, BCV, or any other resort...they did NOT exist, and were not announced or even discussed at the sales presentation.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by BWVDee
Just curious, does anyone know how many total units were added to OKW when they did the expansion?

Good question. Was it prior to the BWV announcement or after?

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Chuck S
But MOST of the owners bought OKW prior to any other resorts being built that offered room service, slides, etc. So, just as a lack of an amenity at BWV isn't what you purchased, can't that same be said about the early members at OKW, a slide isn't what they purchased? And we certainly never bought with the intent of trading to BWV, BCV, or any other resort...they did NOT exist, and were not announced or even discussed at the sales presentation.

But the example posed was talking about the lack of an amenity or taking away an amenity, and the reply applies. In the case of the OKW slide, an amenity is being added to the older OKW resort. I hope amenities are added to all the resorts and the Vero resort is next given that it is the second oldest. I'vve listed a bunch of potiential improvements in the "Changes at Vero" thread, which probably won't ever happen.

 

[Chuck S]

OK, so by the same token, if SAB was covered to make it an "all weather" water park, and the BCV dues skyrocketed as a result because of additional taxes, insurance, etc..say the initial building cost was opicked up by the "developer"...how would that affect me as an OKW member, aside for possibly making my points (with cheaper dues) more desirable?

I don't rent out my points, I purchased before any of the other resorts were built, I do not stay at any other resort (at least I haven't for 12 years), and I have no intention of selling.

Pool hopping is not allowed to SAB, so the bottom line is, it would not affect me in the least...yet an amenity would have been added at BCV.

It would, however, have a huge and negative affect on BCV owners (increased dues).

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Chuck S
OK, so by the same token, if SAB was covered to make it an "all weather" water park, and the BCV dues skyrocketed as a result...how would that affect me as an OKW member, aside for possibly making my points (with cheaper dues) more desirable?

I don't rent out my points, I purchased before any of the other resorts were built, I do not stay at any other resort (at least I haven't for 12 years), and I have not intention of selling.

Pool hopping is not allowed to SAB, so the bottom line is, it would not affect me in the least...yet an amenity would have been added at BCV.

Well, first off dues for OKW won't be skirocketing, the slide will not be built from strictly OKW due funds. If an "all weather" water park were build with the same funding approach it would be wonderful and the burdon would not be on BCV owners paying dues. Secondly, it is your choice to stay only at OKW, but part of what you purchased was the option to stay at all DVC resorts, regardless whether you take advantage of that part of your purchase or not. If you wanted to pool hop to SAB, you were able to in the past, but have lost that priviledge currently, which many non BCV owners have expressed discontentment with. Disirability can be measured in part by market value in a capitalistic system. Should you be forced to sell your points (job loss, divorce, emergency need for immediate cash we can't anticipate), or you die and pass them on to someone who has different vacation patterns than you diescribe, they may get more $$ through the resale market or be more pleased with the additional vacation options they have. If you have only one set limited vacation pattern only for yourself, it may not change thier value for you. But your purchase includes the ability to stay at any of the DVC resorts a consideration for anyone purchasing or valuing your points.

Ok, that's much too much explanation and discussion over the addition of a simple pool slide. It's just a pool slide, not a relocation of the entire resort or removal from Disney property. Your kids or grand children will get to play on a nice pool slide. You and your significant other can also play on it. My wife and I have had a great time with our boys on the slide. If nobody likes it, it will just sit there and it won't get used. Bet it does get used______

 

[BWVDee]

Resorts are ranked or graded by many things. Some of these things are location to vacation entertainment, location to restaurants/shopping and resort amenities. The more services, amenities etc the higher the ranking of the resort and the higher the marketable value of the resort is. Enhancements and addition of amenities to a resort also increases the value of the resort. Since ALL the DVC resorts are included in the same package, what effects the value of one resort also effects the total value of the whole DVC package and effects ALL DVC members.
With a very possible merger taking place with Disney and the unknowns this brings regarding DVC, I personally think it is in everyone's benefit to have all the DVC resorts as close to the highest point they can possibly get.

 

[RobDoc]

Originally posted by BWVDee
Just curious, does anyone know how many total units were added to OKW when they did the expansion?

Buildings 62, 63 and 64 were added and include a total of 34 villas (a combination of GV's, dedicated 2BR's and 2BR Lock-offs).

These buildings were included in the original plans for the resort and are included in the detailed maps in the early POS. They occupy the ground formerly home to the Commodore House sales center when it was relocated to the BW location (just as the current sales center will move to SSR and villas will take it's place).

The original plans did not include any suggestion that any substantive changes would be made to the pool.

 

[BWVDee]

Do you know how many villas are being added to BWV in the existing sales space? It does not seem like there is room for too many villas. I am surprised that the total of villas added in 3 buildings at OKW was only 34 villas. I would have thought a much higher number then that.

 

[RobDoc]

As in December, when this thread had died until it's ressurection today, the discussion had drifted far from the original topic. Please keep posts on topic.

 

[BWVDee]

Sorry. When you referred to the new villas going into the sales center at BWV it made me wonder about how many new villas were going to be added there also.
I will start a seperate thread to ask this question.

 

[MELSMICE]

I think a slide would be a great addition to OKW! I have a blast going down them with my DD's!

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Desperado
Good points, DeeP. Seems like the whiners we are hearing from are those complaining about the slide, not those those saying it will be a nice addition. These huge phantom dues increases predicted that don't really add up also sounds like whining. Heck I hate to see the word brought into this thread. But it can be pointed in many directions.

Its just a pool slide. If you've been around the ones at BWV and Vero, they are not that noisy or bad. Seems like the complaints are way overblown!!!

Maybe it will be a small slide that goes really slowly. One of those blue fiberslass jobs like you might have on a home pool. Would that be better?

Just a question, but, what resort is your home resort?

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by dianeschlicht
VERY well put. My amazement is that non-OKW owners CARE that we do or do not have a slide.

ITA!!! What amazes me more are some of the comments made by people who have NEVER stayed there or pay dues there.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by DeeP
That is your opinion, obviously other OKW members do not agree with you.

And, I respectfully add Dee, some do agree with Rich.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Chris125
I can’t believe people here are arguing over slides People are willing to pay $84 a point plus yearly dues. If the little ones want to go on a slide take em over to TL or BB. Plenty of great slides and a lot of lifeguards there to protect the little ones. If the little ones want more, hop in your car and go over to Wet n Wild..


ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!

Hey, that works for me.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by DSNY FN
Easy solution for those that don't want the slide or the price jump in the dues SELL YOUR CONTRACT AT OKW then you have nothing to worry or complain about you also won't have to worry about Disney not asking you if it is ok thus no more headache for you. Just my 0.02

A better idea would be for you to find a resort with a slide.

All these remarks from someone who has NEVER stayed there.

It seems like the ones doing most of the complaining are the ones that have either not stayed there or who do not own there.
I believe this is something that OKW members should have had a voice in and something DVD should have listened to.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

1 ) DVC if your listening just forget the SLIDE at OKW and dismantle all the others slides at DVC resorts.

Frankly, I could give a fig what they do at other DVC resorts, I don't own anywhere but OKW and since I neither own or pay dues at another DVC resort, I don't feel I have a voice in what they do.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by lenshanem
LOL I went back and read it. I did have one mistake! Instead of "BB ot TL" I meant BB OR TL!!! Maybe some DISers have been praying for me to have better spelling for their sake?!?

How you spell is not important, few read entire words anyway and you do make yourself completely clear on all issues, including this one.