OKW pool slide

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by jarestel
So now people are claiming to have bought at OKW specifically because it doesn't have a slide? Never heard that stated as a reason for buying OKW before. I don't think it's strictly an OKW owners issue. For instance, if my home resort, which does have a slide, is full ( possibly due to at least some OKW owners staying at my home resort ), why do I have to accept less than what I am accustomed to simply because I have to stay in a different resort. The only way I would think OKW owners have an absolute right to define whether or not they want a slide is if they agree to never stay in any other DVC resort. And that's not going to happen.

I promise I will never stay anywhere but OKW, feel better now?

Your premise that folks purchased at OKW because it did not have a slide is no more silly than folks saying they won't stay there because they don't have one.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by DSNY FN
I did buy where they have a slide I purchased @ HHI and SSR I use OKW when we are bringing larger numbers of family members. We all prefer the slides and think it is a great addition to a mediocre(sp) resort yes the rooms are larger and the points are less but that really isn't an issue the points that is but the pool is just to damn boring our kids love the slides at the other resorts so when we have to stay @ OKW we go to BWV to swim to use the pool slide. We also prefer the self serve walk up style eatery at VWL to the walk up at OKW but when we have to stay at OKW we do so if I am going to be there why not have the enjoyment of a nice slide at the pool to be honest and I am sure there are alot of other parents with kids that would agree it really would make the place more enjoyable. We also spend alot of time at the water parks but when we come back from MK or AK or Epcot etc and want to go for a swim we like to be able to play on the recreational equipment at the pool ie a slide.

You don't HAVE to stay at OKW, you choose to. If you choose to, then you know it does not have a slide. IMHO, that is your choice and you take what is there and if your kids don't like it, opps, tough toasties.

I cannot believe that you think the OKW members want to pay extra dues to keep your kids from being bored. If you want a slide, stay at your home resort, get more rooms, but, please, don't insult people with the " I have to stay there" and " my kids are bored", that, dear, is not our problem.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
Frankly, I could give a fig what they do at other DVC resorts, I don't own anywhere but OKW and since I neither own or pay dues at another DVC resort, I don't feel I have a voice in what they do.

The new OKW pool slide is not being funded exclusively from OKW dues which clearly invalidates the "huge increase in OKW dues", "others telling me how to spend my money" and exclusivity in decision making aurgument in my opinion. Sorry, just doesn't wash given what we now know regarding funding.

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
If you want a slide, stay at your home resort, get more rooms, but, please, don't insult people with the " I have to stay there" and " my kids are bored", that, dear, is not our problem.

If OKW owners are staying at non-OKW DVC resorts at a much greater rate than non-OKW owners are staying at OKW then there is an imbalance in the system that needs to be addressed. I do not have data to clarify this inequitable balance. The only source I would have would be postings on this forum indicating greater OKW availability and discussions with MS regarding reservation availability. Granted OKW is larger and this likely accounts for greater availabilty, That does not negate the need to address the greater availability or eliminate a small resort improvement desired even by non-OKW owners in my opinion. DVC has data showing one way or the other and I'm confident thier data was used and factored in as part of the decision to add an OKW slide.

 

[DSNY FN]

Gail if you actually read my signature lines at the bottom I have stayed at OKW and will be staying there again we only ever stay there when we have a larger group as the room size tends to fit everyone better we loved our stay at BWV the place is awesome we love the busy atmosphere. Our group tends to be more of the on the go all the time type and that includes when we go to the pool and with no slide at the pool it makes for one really boring swim. We even find the pools at the All Stars more exciting and yes they have no slide but atleast they have more than 10 people at a time using the pool and that in part makes it more enjoyable we rarely found a sole in the pool @ OKW when we were there this past Dec so no one for the kids to hang out with or play with and no slide for us makes a very boring place.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

DSNY FN
I stand corrected re: your staying at OKW. Guess I am stuck in 03. I am sorry about the error.
If your comment about the pools being underused is correct, then, why the need for a slide in an under used pool? Seems like a big waste of money.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Desperado
I am aware of how the slide is being funded.
What I totally object to is the increase in dues. I object to the increase in noise and I object to having to have a lifeguard on duty and worry about some buffoon using the slide after hours, being hurt and suing and thereby increasing our insurance costs.
OKW is laid back, it is quiet, I like it that way. It is not for everyone, but, then again, I would never stay at BWV, they are nice, the location is great but, it is way too noisy for me. If I want noise, I can stay home.
We were there the last week in Jan/first week in Feb. and OKW was 100% full. There does not seem to be an imbalance there.
Attendance is climbing, I believe the alleged imbalance will be corrected in the near future.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
{snip} We were there the last week in Jan/first week in Feb. and OKW was 100% full. There does not seem to be an imbalance there.
Attendance is climbing, I believe the alleged imbalance will be corrected in the near future.

Do we know if non-OKW owners were able to get thier first or second choice in resort accomodations, or whether they had to settle for OKW which wasn't thier first or second preference as the last available resort in order to be able to visit Disney? Were other DVC resorts full as well, or full earlier? We might need to know these things to know if your experience of OKW being full had any baring. Hopefully MS and DVC are analyzing data and request patterns such as these to assist them in making informed decisions that would not be reflected in a 5+ year old poll, information we do not have access to.

It's just a pool slide, it'll be OK.

 

[sgtdisney]

Originally posted by Desperado
Do we know if non-OKW owners were able to get thier first or second choice in resort accomodations, or whether they had to settle for OKW which wasn't thier first or second preference as the last available resort in order to be able to visit Disney?

How is that my, or any other member who owns at OKW's problem that you don't like the resort that you have to settle on? If you can't stay at your first, second or third choice either because you booked too late or your highly regarded newer resort is booked, don't go. No one is forcing you to endure OKW. Some of the members at OKW like it the way it is. Maybe others don't. The only survey we have to go on (yes I know it is an old one) shows the majority of the members don't want this slide. Disney obviously doesn't care about the members opinions now. Or maybe they already know that the majority would vote it down and don't want to risk it again?

I would never tell you what to do at your home resort. (You never did answer Gail and tell us which one that is btw) I don't pay dues at any other resort so as far as I am concerned it isn't my business to decide how those resorts are set up. If I can't get into OKW, I won't go. I don't like what the other resorts have to offer, but I would never expect anyone to change the resort to make it more acceptable to me if I had to 'settle.' In fact I would rather stay home than settle for BWV.

And just for the record. Member for 12 years now. Never stayed at any other DVC resort in WDW except OKW in those 12 years. Never pool hopped. Don't care about it. End pool hopping, I don't care. In fact, if Disney stopped DVC members from staying at any resort other than their home resort it wouldn't phase me. When I bought into the DVC there only was one resort. The flagship resort. I didn't buy in planning on having to settle at the other resorts, there weren't any.

Will this slide go in? Probably. Do I have to like it, absolutely not.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by sgtdisney
How is that my, or any other member who owns at OKW's problem that you don't like the resort that you have to settle on? If you can't stay at your first, second or third choice either because you booked too late or your highly regarded newer resort is booked, don't go. No one is forcing you to endure OKW. Some of the members at OKW like it the way it is. Maybe others don't. The only survey we have to go on (yes I know it is an old one) shows the majority of the members don't want this slide. Disney obviously doesn't care about the members opinions now. Or maybe they already know that the majority would vote it down and don't want to risk it again?

I would never tell you what to do at your home resort. (You never did answer Gail and tell us which one that is btw) I don't pay dues at any other resort so as far as I am concerned it isn't my business to decide how those resorts are set up. If I can't get into OKW, I won't go. I don't like what the other resorts have to offer, but I would never expect anyone to change the resort to make it more acceptable to me if I had to 'settle.' In fact I would rather stay home than settle for BWV.

And just for the record. Member for 12 years now. Never stayed at any other DVC resort in WDW except OKW in those 12 years. Never pool hopped. Don't care about it. End pool hopping, I don't care. In fact, if Disney stopped DVC members from staying at any resort other than their home resort it wouldn't phase me. When I bought into the DVC there only was one resort. The flagship resort. I didn't buy in planning on having to settle at the other resorts, there weren't any.

Will this slide go in? Probably. Do I have to like it, absolutely not.

ITA. I have only been to one other DVC resort and that was Vero beach. I was bored out of my mind. It is a beautiful resort with much to offer, but, it was not for me. So, in the future, if OKW is not available I will go elsewhere, like Jamaica, where there are NO kids allowed at the resort we go to when there. There is no pool slide either. I have never ever had the need for a pool slide or diving board in all my years of swimming. God only knows how I survived my younger years without one. Of course back in my younger years ( I am one day older than dirt) children managed to amuse themselves without their parents pandering to their every whim. We went to a pool with the family and had fun, we went to the beach, no slides there and had fun. If we were bored we read a book or found something to do. I would hope that kids could manage to do the same now.
Yes, it seems the slide will come in, and I feel much better now that I have had my little condescending pat on the head by Desperado:

It's just a pool slide, it'll be OK.

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Of course, until it is disclosed where his home resort is, I will assume that he does not pay dues at OKW and he wants things his way just in case he cannot get his first pick at DVC.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
{snip} Yes, it seems the slide will come in, and I feel much better now that I have had my little condescending pat on the head by Desperado.

Glad I could help.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by sgtdisney
{snip} In fact, if Disney stopped DVC members from staying at any resort other than their home resort it wouldn't phase me.

Acutally the slide itself probably won't affect me that much either. I just don't look at the world with "it's all about me, heck with everyone else" glasses, especially in a case like this where the slide is not completely coming out of OKW dues. We've always gotten our first resort request and we have used our points to stay at non-home resort. My opinion is that the slide won't be as bad as some are trying to make it out to be. Given the funding of this slide, the dues aurgument has been rendered moot. I happen to think a slide for OKW is a good idea, regardless of how often I stay at OKW or where I pay dues, especially given the positive polite responses I've read where some posters are saying they are more likely to stay at OKW with a new slide, and are excited about it. More power to them. Those opposed haven't presented reasonably valid and substantiated reasons in my opinion, with some stooping to name calling, and citing some ancient 5+ year old poll that is no longer valid, and claiming non-OKW owners don't have any right to express thier opinion on the slide matter. Sorry, but that's hogwash (in my view). I've regularly read about OKW owners expressing opinions about other DVC resorts, certainly about issues like the small rooms, and long, long hallways, the exclusivity aurgument just doesn't wash either. There have not been limits imposed that posters are only allowed to comment about thier home resort and none of the other resorts that I'm aware of, especially for posters who stay at other DVC resorts as part of thier total DVC purchase options. Gosh, some posters even plan on staying at resorts, hotels, cruises or ranches outside of the Disney Collection using thier points, I guess they aren't ever allowed to express thier opinion either. Pretty silly exclusivity contention, really. Please feel free to suggest resort improvements in any of the currently available "Changes" threads for different DVC resorts, regardless of your or my home resort choice, discussion of new ideas and potential improvements are very welcome by all. I don't believe they are even limited to DVC members, anyone on this forum may post whether they have purchased DVC or not. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You may notice an absence of excessive resort defensiveness in other "changes" threads in comparison.

I guess this forum is an appropriate place to vent for those who don't like it, and apparently kicking around other posters is suppose to be allowed as part of that venting scenario. In the end, none of this discussion will affect whether the slide is going in or not, somehow I think the new DVC president's announcement that there will be a new OKW slide will turn out to be the case. I will have to make it a point to go down it sometime. I'll try not to scream too loudly as I'm sliding down as to disturb the angelically quiet children already swimming in the pool whispering "marco"; "polo"; "marco"; "polo"; "shhhh"; "be berry, berry quiet".

 

[PamOKW]

Just wondering why, after 2 months, this thread was started again when a similar but updated discussion was happening on the thread about the slide not being mentioned in the latest Clubhouse publication? It seems like it's a circular arguement going on here that may never end. The meeting announcement indicates a slide is planned for OKW. Some members of OKW have said they are unhappy with the announcement and/or with how it is being handled (no information being shared with the owners). Some members and non-members of OKW have said they are delighted with the news.

 

[dianeschlicht]

LOL, Pam! Are you trying to recap or what?

 

[Richyams]

the dues aurgument has been rendered moot.

I missed it, Disney is paying for lifeguards and ongoing mantainence???

Wow, I don't know how I missed that.

I still don't want that dopey slide, but at least they are paying for the lifeguard and mantainence.....could you post a link or something where this is mentioned?


I never heard anyone bemoaning about changing BWv hallway lengths....where did you see that?

I also never heard anyone crying about making the rooms bigger in the other resorts, you say that you see these things many times...you even say 'repeatedly', where have you seen that? On some newsgroup?

I agree, these are good ideas but they are not realistic. They should have built the resorts with bigger rooms in the begining, but I agree with you completely, they can't do anything about these shortcomings now.

I am looking forward to the reference that Disney is picking up the lifeguard and ongoing mantainence costs.....it still doesn't make me happy, but I feel less wronged.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by PamOKW
Just wondering why, after 2 months, this thread was started again when a similar but updated discussion was happening on the thread about the slide not being mentioned in the latest Clubhouse publication? It seems like it's a circular arguement going on here that may never end. The meeting announcement indicates a slide is planned for OKW. Some members of OKW have said they are unhappy with the announcement and/or with how it is being handled (no information being shared with the owners). Some members and non-members of OKW have said they are delighted with the news.

No problem Pam, here's the request answering your wondering why question:

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Originally posted by Richyams
Would you please point out where people are complaining about the costs?

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You bet. Read for yourself.
http://disboards.com/showthread.php...de&pagenumber=1

quote:
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Originally posted by Richyams
I missed it, Disney is paying for lifeguards and ongoing mantainence???
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Oops, there we go, "complaining about the costs?" Thought you said cost wasn't an issue. Please try to be consistent.
'Nuff said.

 

[Richyams]

Your link is no good.....would you add the link to Disney's announcement that they are picking up the costs of lifeguards and ongoing mantainence?

Some people are complaining about the cost, I just see it as adding insult to injury.....at least until you post that link.

 

[PamOKW]

LOL! Oh, I see. It's now two-intertwining circular arguements!

 

[DSNY FN]

Hey Gail no problem I know I am guilty of that sometimes to you just read the message and not the whole signature etc it happens. As for the under used pol that I commented about with a slide there it would actually get used we went over to the turtle pond pool when we first arrived @ OKW and it was alot busier than the main pool lots of people there I kinda liked the grills set up over there to. To be honest it wouldn't matter where they put in the slide as long as they put one in the main pool is the obvious choice as they hope to have people around the front area for the restaurants and activity centre etc. I really hope this pool slide is added it would be a wonderfull and welcome addition to the place for alot of people.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Richyams
Some people are complaining about the cost. {snip}

Exactly. This is contrary to your earlier statement.

Originally posted by PamOKW
LOL! Oh, I see. It's now two-intertwining circular arguements!

LOL, you have a point.

'Nuff said.

 

[dianeschlicht]

'Nuff said.

YEAH!!! I'll be glad to see this one die! Again.