Oh me, oh my-does baby Suri really exist???update now aka "The Suri Challenge"

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

 

[Imzadi]

Wow, I haven't posted here in a couple of days & there's already 10 more pages! Okay here's my two cents:

I met Scarlett Johanson while she was filming The Nanny Diaries here in NYC. (No, she wasn't the one I had to sign a confidentiality agreement about. I wouldn't be able to write about her then. ) I found her to be very down to earth, very intelligent and self-assured & has her head about her. Her career is doing fine. If Tom had approached her, I'm sure she would have the confidence to say, "Uh, NOOOO!" then run & laughed her head off in private.

Katie appears to be more impressionable. If Tom did approach her, he probably laid on all that Top Gun charm at first. I did notice in the Oprah interview, when she asked him how they met, after that infinitely long pause, where he kept getting up, then breaking down laughing, & standing up like he had to make some great pronouncement, he finally mumbled how he often calls actors to "help them".

Also, right before he pulled Katie out onstage, Oprah asked him (something like) if he thought it would be okay with her. He said something to the effect of, "I told her to expect ANYthing with me, that's the whole point--" Then he cut himself off. I always wondered, whole point of WHAT? Their phony relationship & the publicizing of it?

Katie might have been bowled over at first, but what if Tom went bullistic on Katie the way he did with Matt Lauer when he brought up the idea of a fake/adopted baby? When she said, "No Tom, I don't want to do that."

He could have said, "Don't be glib, Kate. You're being glib! You don't know the public like I do. I know all about how to fool the public. I've studied the history of how to fool the public. I told you to expect ANYTHING me, and this is what we are going to do! Don't be glib, Kate. And stared at her in the way he did with Matt. Here she is, separated from her family & friends. Surrounded by her new Scientology best friend all the time...

BTW, ALL Scientologists are "best friends" that's how Leah Remini is suddenly one. I noticed she first surfaced after the Matt Lauer interview when Tom criticized Brooke Shields. She came to the forefront in defense of Tom/Scientology & their view of overprescribing antidepressants.

Oh, and that picture of someone holding a baby? Papparazzi have telephoto lenses that make the Hubbel Telescope look like a toy. They have lenses capable of shooting a high resolution photo a half mile away. If they had taken a true picture from across the street, they could have easily focused in on the baby's alien fingernail.

 

[Imzadi]

In honor of South Park:

I hope Matt & Trey aren't going to come after me! But considering John Smith & Jane Smith wrote that episode, I don't think they'll mind.

 

[Nancy]

In honor of South Park:

I hope Matt & Trey aren't going to come after me! But considering John Smith & Jane Smith wrote that episode, I don't think they'll mind.

 

[barbeml]

In honor of South Park:

I hope Matt & Trey aren't going to come after me! But considering John Smith & Jane Smith wrote that episode, I don't think they'll mind.

Sweet! Seriously.

 

[CathrynRose]

It was there in the original airing.

For those who liked last night's South Park, there is a follow-up episode about Chef being brainwashed by a cult, and they kill off his character. Isaac Hayes (voice of Chef) is a Scientologist who quit South Park over the Tom Cruise episode.

Yeah - but Chef didnt join *Scientology* he joined a "fruity little club". L L.

And they kept referring to it as such - the entire show "The Fruity Little Club"



Ahhh man - I love those guys.

 

[CathrynRose]

I was reading all the new gossip magazines today and they all had that Leah story in it. There was one of them, can't remember which one though right now and they are all at work so I can't go back and find it, that has a picture of TC in it. In the picture his smile and eyes look like he should be holding an ax and saying "heeeere's Tommy!"

Oh, he already did that. I posted in some pages back:



Heeeeeeeer's Tommy!

 

[CathrynRose]

In honor of South Park:



I hope Matt & Trey aren't going to come after me! But considering John Smith & Jane Smith wrote that episode, I don't think they'll mind.

We should write to Comedy Central - Im sure they have some sort of "fan email link" and link them here.

Maybe we could give *them* a giggle, since they do such a good job for us.

 

[CathrynRose]

Fun Quotes about Tom.

Lets get this Friday morning started off right - shall we?

"If vitamins and exercise alone explain why Tom Cruise is so, um, knowledgeable and well-grounded, pass the Prozac."
- Chicago Tribune

Dave to Katie: "So this must be a very exciting time for you. You're in love with Tom Cruise, and Tom, as far as we can tell, has gone nuts."
- David Letterman to Katie Holmes on the Late Show

"Tom and Katie got engaged on Friday and, once again, the media somehow found out about it. If we promise to go see 'War of the Worlds,' will you please make this stop?"
- Jimmy Kimmel

"Is it fair to expect Cruise to behave "normal"? When you're surrounded by yes-men telling you that every decision you make is correct — and have the millions to prove it — how could you possibly be expected to be normal? Just ask Michael Jackson."
- Paige Newman

"Do whatever you have to to never have a heart attack around Tom Cruise, cause he would just use his medical expertise to put some duct tape on your chest and give you some gumdrops. And then he would convince you that the defibrillator and paramedics who later saved your life really didn't save your life. Just like people who improve on meds like Stratera and Ritalin haven't really improved on meds like Stratera and Ritalin."
- The Superficial.com

"His extreme bliss about brand-new girl-pal Katie Holmes was awkward and forced and just really weird. Yet you gave him a pass by not following up when he wouldn't really explain how he and Katie met or when he basically said he hadn't noticed his child was biracial or when he just laughed for five minutes straight. And finally, you didn't ask, "Why the hell are you jumping around like a crazy person, Tom?"
- E Online

Thos were all courtesy of: http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/home.php

Happy Friday Suri-Seekers!!

 

[DisneyGirl4188]

Those quotes are too funny!!!

 

[FSUGrad97]

CathrynRose - on those quotes AND for recommending Sebastian's Potion #9! I LOVE this stuff, and I had the best hair week ever this week!!

I saw that Leah Remini (or however you spell it), had apparently seen and held Suri. Which makes me wonder why their close friends haven't seen the baby, but she has. That would be like showing your baby to a coworker, but not your very best friends.

This whole story just gets stranger and stranger.....

Rock on to all Suri Challenge posters for adding like 30 pages since Sunday!!

 

[CathrynRose]

CathrynRose - on those quotes AND for recommending Sebastian's Potion #9! I LOVE this stuff, and I had the best hair week ever this week!!
:

Oh that was you! GOOD! Im so happy for you!!! That stuff is truly amazing/great/exciting!!!

I agree with you about only showing the weirdo's in their cult. How odd.

Katie: "No - we havent shown my parents yet, but Leah Remini has seen her! She was very excited and said it was great & amazing!" (of course this was a Cathryn version of a Katie-Quote)




You know - one of Leah's statements about the baby 'looking like Tom and Katie', I thought was kinda weird. Well, shouldnt it? Or wouldnt it look more like one? I know when my boys were born I got a LOT of "he looks JUST like you" OR "he loooks JUST like (my ex)" To say 'she looks just like Tom & Katie' - is that weird, or is it just me?

 

[rhanditresmom]

CathrynRose....the Nuts website is hilarious! Thank you for sharing.

 

[FSUGrad97]

You know - one of Leah's statements about the baby 'looking like Tom and Katie', I thought was kinda weird. Well, shouldnt it? Or wouldnt it look more like one? I know when my boys were born I got a LOT of "he looks JUST like you" OR "he loooks JUST like (my ex)" To say 'she looks just like Tom & Katie' - is that weird, or is it just me?

ITA! Then again, we are talking about people who are followers of a religion that asks their members to believe that an evil alien ruler banished frozen aliens to volcanos on earth, and the spirits of these aliens inhabited cave people. (Special thanks to the South Park guys, especially John and Jane Smith ).

 

[Daxx]

You know - one of Leah's statements about the baby 'looking like Tom and Katie', I thought was kinda weird. Well, shouldnt it? Or wouldnt it look more like one? I know when my boys were born I got a LOT of "he looks JUST like you" OR "he loooks JUST like (my ex)" To say 'she looks just like Tom & Katie' - is that weird, or is it just me?

I know what you mean!

When Brad and Angelina's photos of Shiloh came out, EVERYONE said "Wow --she has Angelina's lips!" You never heard anything else ... not how she has Brad's nose or Angelina's widow's peak (making this up as all I remember are the lips) -- just heard how she had Angelina's lips. Now, most people would say a child favors one parent or the other. For example, when my niece was born, everyone said she looked exactly like my brother (dark hair, dark eyes) opposed to her mom (who had blonde hair and blue eyes). Even if she had Mom's nose, nobody commented on that! She looked like my brother in miniature!

 

[SueM in MN]

About 15 pages ago, I was going to respond to this, but life got in the way of the DIS, and by the time I got back it was 15 pages later:

Here is the article http://drinkthis.typepad.com/answer_this/scientology/index.html
You have to scroll down to Why Astra Woodcroft fled. This article was actually in the Sept 05 issue of Glamour. It isn't really about TC but it was pretty interesting. My friend read this article and decided she wasn't interested in scientology anymore. She had been thinking about asking them for info. I am glad she read this before she contacted them and she is too.

On that page, there is also the wisdom of L. Ron Hubbard regarding new mothers and newborn babies:
The father of Scientology says this...

• "Maintain silence in the presence of birth to save the sanity of the mother and the child and safeguard the home to which they will go. And the maintaining of silence does not mean a volley of "Sh's," for those make stammerers."

~ L. Ron Hubbard, "Dianetics", Chapter X, "Preventive Dianetics", page 193
This sounds very strange - the reasons they give for doing it that way,
= save the sanity
= safeguard the home
sound really ominous to me, like part of a ritual, not part of creating a caring, nuturing environment (which was one of the "reasons" given by TC and fellow Kool-Aid drinkers for doing it)

• Next, the delivery itself should carry as little anaesthetic as possible, be as calm and no-talk as possible and the baby should not be bathed or chilled but should be wrapped somewhat tightly in a warm blanket, very soft, and then left alone for a day or so.
  
  ~ HCO Bulletin of 20 December 1958, "Processing a new mother" by L. Ron Hubbard

I thought the part I bolded was very strange. Especially in view of the stuff posted about Satanism in the last 15 pages. It also sounds like an attempt to interfere with bonding between the new baby and the parents.

I can't find the quotes or who wrote them, but someone wrote something about not allowing the grandparents to see the baby/child until it was "dianetically ready." Someone else wrote about the difficulty of parents who might try to kidnap their child for deprogramming; if a baby was involved, they would also have to get the baby, which would make it much harder to do.
My thought is maybe getting a child "dianetically ready" involves breaking/not allowing the bond to form between the parent and child (which would already be happening if you swaddle the newborn and then leave it alone for a day or so).
After that, a new (Scientology approved) mom takes over and begins to bond the newborn to her. When the infant has completely accepted and bonded with the new mom, it might be "dianetically ready" to have contact with the birth mom and anyone else who might not be totally into drinking the Koolaid. The birth mom is no longer the mom as far as the baby is concerned, and Scientology doesn't have to worry as much about anyone else bonding to the baby. If the grandparents try to take the mom away, they would have a harder time, because the mom wouldn't want to leave her baby and it would be hard to take the baby away from the Scientology mom.
All the things I've seen about Katie since the (possible) birth hint at a mom who is not bonded to her baby - she's seen all over the place, but no baby with her.

There are some interesting things about bonding that came out of Harlow's research with primates at the University of Wisconsin. The stuff they did with monkeys that seemed abusive to me when I heard about it in Child Psychology classes, seem to be on the same thread as the 'mother -infant processing' that L. Ron Hubbard seems to be writing about.

 

[CathrynRose]

baby should not be bathed or chilled but should be wrapped somewhat tightly in a warm blanket, very soft, and then left alone for a day or so.

Seriously - SERIOUSLY, who in their right mind thinks THIS is a proper way to act after a child is born?? Seriously?

This is so disgusting.

And they also believe a child should be left to cry it out. I imagine an infant, wraped in a nice soft blanket, alone in a room, crying.

 

[FSUGrad97]

Seriously - SERIOUSLY, who in their right mind thinks THIS is a proper way to act after a child is born?? Seriously?

This is so disgusting.

And they also believe a child should be left to cry it out. I imagine an infant, wraped in a nice soft blanket, alone in a room, crying.

ITA! This is child abuse, plain and simple.

How this cult got tax-free status as a religion is beyond me.

 

[my4kids]

I thought the part I bolded was very strange. Especially in view of the stuff posted about Satanism in the last 15 pages. It also sounds like an attempt to interfere with bonding between the new baby and the parents.]

Good Point! I remember reading in that article about the child being dianetically ready and it also said the grandparents could not see the child unless they were ready to "behave dianetically" - basically -they have to convert to the cult if they want to seetheir grandchild" If that isn't a cult - I don't know what is.....

I too can't believe they are tax exempt. Is the US Gov to lazy to go after these guys and their pocket books?

 

[my4kids]

You know - one of Leah's statements about the baby 'looking like Tom and Katie', I thought was kinda weird. Well, shouldnt it? Or wouldnt it look more like one? I know when my boys were born I got a LOT of "he looks JUST like you" OR "he loooks JUST like (my ex)" To say 'she looks just like Tom & Katie' - is that weird, or is it just me?

Yeah and she referred to as an "it" - I thought that was odd.