Oga's Cantina--are you required to order something?

[BadPinkTink]

I don’t understand why some one who doesn’t drink wants to “experience” a bar

because its a themed bar, like stepping into the Cantina from the movies. Its like why people go to Hard Rock Cafe, to see the music memorabilia on the walls. The difference with Hard Rock though, is that generally people actually buy food and drink, and don't just go in to have a gawk!

 

[disneyseniors]

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I don’t understand why some one who doesn’t drink wants to “experience” a bar
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I don't drink alcohol but would buy a nonala drink IF I wanted to go to Ogas. However, I don't plan on going to see it at all, whether I drink or not. I've seen the fantastic "bars" of Star Wars in their first 3 original films. They were fantastic and fun to see on film, but I would not take up a space just to see the bar that someone else might really want to do. I'd feel like I was interfering with those who really want to experience the different drinks and the SW bar atmosphere. However, if it becomes a "thing" for disney they will probably set a drink limit of some kind in the future.

 

[Lilsia]

For the record, it is not a place that wants people to come in, take up space without ordering, and look around and leave. It is a bar, where you are expected to buy something. Or would you go sit at say an Applebees, and just look at all the stuff up on the walls, and then leave????

You would be surprised how many people do that at restaurants. The place I work is a counter service place like a Panera. And every day people would come in with their laptop to use the free wifi an not order anything. Some of them brought their own coffee and a few brought an empty mug and helped themselves to some "free" coffee or soda. The hubris that people have now is astounding.

 

[piccolopat]

Won’t be many people. No worries.

I don't think anyone expected a large number of families making ADRs for BOG and just ordering a single cupcake either. When it became obvious that was happening, Disney changed things. I would expect that to happen at Oga's at some point in the future.

 

[mom2rtk]

At least New Fantasyland had lots of other interesting things to see and do without dining at BOG. The problem with Oga's and SWGE is that so much of the new land is an additional paid experience. So if people try to find a way to just look around Oga's, I can't say I blame them. Disney should have had more things to do that didn't cost extra.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

At least New Fantasyland had lots of other interesting things to see and do without dining at BOG. The problem with Oga's and SWGE is that so much of the new land is an additional paid experience. so if people try to find a way to just look around Oga's, I can't say I blame them. Disney should have had more things to do that didn't cost extra.

I've mentioned that in other threads. I think it's fine they made Oga's reservation required but because Savi's and Droid Depot also require reservations it lessens the ability to do a whole lot inside the themed area.

That said being realistic there will always be a desire for people to see inside Oga's because it's meant to mimic very iconic aspects to Star Wars so even if there was a way to see the other 2 places without a reservation people would still want to see inside. I could more easily see how Disney could have made some way for people to see some parts of Savi's and Droid Depot without a reservation but not really with Oga's without compromising what it is. Like I mentioned people walking about were dodging people and servers. And allowing a pathway for guests as a norm to just come in and look would probably make the environment feel less intimate and maybe even a bit awkward.

 

[Lilsia]

At least New Fantasyland had lots of other interesting things to see and do without dining at BOG. The problem with Oga's and SWGE is that so much of the new land is an additional paid experience. So if people try to find a way to just look around Oga's, I can't say I blame them. Disney should have had more things to do that didn't cost extra.

I didn't feel that way. I did not go into Oga's or the droid depot but really enjoyed walking around and taking in the details. I actually thought that it was much bigger then what I had envisioned. What exactly do you mean that there is more for people to "do" in new Fantasyland? Like what?

 

[only hope]

New Fantasyland has one storytelling experience, two rides, one meet and greet, one adr required resturant, two snack locations + popcorn, and one small gift shop, and one or two photopass spots. Black Spire Outpost has two rides, a marketplace, two merch carts, three indoors stores, one adr required expensive saber experience, two quick service, popcorn, milk, one adr (usually) required bar, 6+ photopass spots, app activities that take many hours to finish, and roaming characters. Granted, NFL has three attractions to BSO’s two; but NFL is much smaller, not immersive, and has less to do.

 

[marikujawa]

I don't think anyone expected a large number of families making ADRs for BOG and just ordering a single cupcake either. When it became obvious that was happening, Disney changed things. I would expect that to happen at Oga's at some point in the future.

Well people are upset at someone even asking about going into Oga’s to look around without ordering anything. So if Disney changes it to make people order something, wouldn’t that be a good thing?

 

[Lilsia]

Well people are upset at someone even asking about going into Oga’s to look around without ordering anything. So if Disney changes it to make people order something, wouldn’t that be a good thing?

It's not that people are upset if someone goes and looks around. If you want to look around and go ask the cast member if you can take a quick peek and they let you, then that is not the problem. It is the fact that they are using a ADR time, that someone else could have used to go in and actually try something, that is what annoys some. It's a waste of a much wanted ADR. I think that we would all hate it if they changed Oga's to go the same way that BOG did. They should have had an open house time at BOG where they did not serve food but had it open for people to go in and take pictures. I don't blame someone for wanting to go and look at something that has come to life from the movies. But everyone has different food/drink tastes and might not like what they have on offer. There could have been some compromise.

 

[marikujawa]

It's not that people are upset if someone goes and looks around. If you want to look around and go ask the cast member if you can take a quick peek and they let you, then that is not the problem. It is the fact that they are using a ADR time, that someone else could have used to go in and actually try something, that is what annoys some. It's a waste of a much wanted ADR. I think that we would all hate it if they changed Oga's to go the same way that BOG did. They should have had an open house time at BOG where they did not serve food but had it open for people to go in and take pictures. I don't blame someone for wanting to go and look at something that has come to life from the movies. But everyone has different food/drink tastes and might not like what they have on offer. There could have been some compromise.

An open house . . .

 

[mckennarose]

They should have had an open house time at BOG where they did not serve food but had it open for people to go in and take pictures. ...........
There could have been some compromise.

I understand where you're coming from, however Disney is not in the business of making everything accessible. They are in the business of making a (huge) profit and getting guests to spend as much as possible, so they do keep exclusivity for some things. They are all about the up-sells anymore and as much as they wouldn't like to admit it, they create benefits for people who spend more.

If they wanted Oga's to be accessible to everyone they would've made more like a quick service where people can walk in and out at their leisure and see DJ Rex the same as Sonny Eclipse at Cosmic Ray's in MK. I'm not comparing the quality of Rex vs. Sonny, but illustrating the idea of an accessible feature in a walk in restaurant. They know people will pay for the experience, just like people now pay for premium fireworks views and dessert parties (where there used to be FP areas), prix fixe fireworks viewing at restaurants like Rose and Crown that used to be free, All the After Hour and EMM tickets, etc.

Disney promotes magic for all, but in reality there's "more" magic for people who can afford it. That's why I find it funny that people who pay for park entry think they should be entitled to everything in the park. I wouldn't dream of knocking on the door to Club 33 and asking for a peek just because I paid my entry fee to the park. And the people who do pay the extras will and do get upset if they see someone else getting it for "free". Why would they pay for something if someone else gets it for free? Disney doesn't want that either, so they will keep exclusivity for the higher paying guests. Sad but true. They don't outwardly confront guests, but they do change things quietly without much notice, like BOG prixe fixe.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

While I agree in general that parties who make an ADR should be planning to purchase something, I'm confused on the forgone conclusion that BOG changed because of the Cupcake People. The cupcake thing is a PPO breakfast phenomenon so that people could have an advantage for 7DMT but not pay for the pricey breakfast. They changed dinner to prix fixe. Not only has breakfast not gone prix fixe, they still have the cupcake on the breakfast menu. If Disney made their changes because of the Cupcake People, they would have changed breakfast rules and removed the a la cart cupcake from the menu. It seems more likely to me that Disney changed dinner for the same reason they changed LeCellier to 2 credits. The ADR was really hard to get and Disney decided they could change the pricing structure and still fill the place.

 

[4evryoung]

You can be polite and order a coffee,

Sometimes politeness is the order of the day, because the alternative (put politely) is to be ignorant or lacking in social graces.

 

[marikujawa]

It seems like whenever someone wants to deviate from what people here think should be the norm, BOG is trotted out as an example of Disney overreacting to correct a problem. I doubt any of the changes made by Disney are attributable to a single reason, and certainly not to a few people acting differently from what was intended.

For Olga’s in particular, what BOG type fix are people afraid of? If too many people make ADRs without ordering anything (highly doubtful from what I saw when I was there) they’ll make people order something, which is what people here think should happen anyway.

 

[vinotinto]

While I agree in general that parties who make an ADR should be planning to purchase something, I'm confused on the forgone conclusion that BOG changed because of the Cupcake People. The cupcake thing is a PPO breakfast phenomenon so that people could have an advantage for 7DMT but not pay for the pricey breakfast. They changed dinner to prix fixe. Not only has breakfast not gone prix fixe, they still have the cupcake on the breakfast menu. If Disney made their changes because of the Cupcake People, they would have changed breakfast rules and removed the a la cart cupcake from the menu. It seems more likely to me that Disney changed dinner for the same reason they changed LeCellier to 2 credits. The ADR was really hard to get and Disney decided they could change the pricing structure and still fill the place.

A lot of cupcake comments here on the DIS were about dinner, and specifically about meeting the beast, who is only around at dinner. A lot of comments along the lines of, “we want to meet the beast, but the menu does not appeal to us, can we order cupcakes and drinks and meet the beast?”

My guess is that if people start going to Oga’s and not ordering anything because they want to look around, but the “drinks on the menu don’t appeal to us,” it’ll be a matter of time before there’s a cover charge with a “complimentary” beverage.

 

[J-Dog]

It seems like whenever someone wants to deviate from what people here think should be the norm, BOG is trotted out as an example of Disney overreacting to correct a problem. I doubt any of the changes made by Disney are attributable to a single reason, and certainly not to a few people acting differently from what was intended.

For Olga’s in particular, what BOG type fix are people afraid of? If too many people make ADRs without ordering anything (highly doubtful from what I saw when I was there) they’ll make people order something, which is what people here think should happen anyway.

I agree.

In the end Disney will do whatever is best for Disney. If Disney doesn't care if people don't buy anything, why should anyone else? And if Disney does care, then they may impose a minimum charge - which most people on here are insisting is some kind of "unwritten law" anyway...

 

[sethschroeder]

While I agree in general that parties who make an ADR should be planning to purchase something, I'm confused on the forgone conclusion that BOG changed because of the Cupcake People. The cupcake thing is a PPO breakfast phenomenon so that people could have an advantage for 7DMT but not pay for the pricey breakfast. They changed dinner to prix fixe. Not only has breakfast not gone prix fixe, they still have the cupcake on the breakfast menu. If Disney made their changes because of the Cupcake People, they would have changed breakfast rules and removed the a la cart cupcake from the menu. It seems more likely to me that Disney changed dinner for the same reason they changed LeCellier to 2 credits. The ADR was really hard to get and Disney decided they could change the pricing structure and still fill the place.

A lot of cupcake comments here on the DIS were about dinner, and specifically about meeting the beast, who is only around at dinner. A lot of comments along the lines of, “we want to meet the beast, but the menu does not appeal to us, can we order cupcakes and drinks and meet the beast?”

My guess is that if people start going to Oga’s and not ordering anything because they want to look around, but the “drinks on the menu don’t appeal to us,” it’ll be a matter of time before there’s a cover charge with a “complimentary” beverage.

Exactly it was about meeting the beast and seeing the inside.

If BOG was the same reasoning as Le Cellier then they would have adjusted the menu not went with a fixed price menu. Plenty of restaurants they change and raise prices but stay a la carte but not at BOG dinner because of the Beast draw.

Same reason why you see so many breakfast character meals with a set price.

 

[sethschroeder]

Cant see not getting something even if giving it to your neighbor at the table.

We passed in the fall. Might do it at some point.

 

[mom2rtk]

I don’t understand why some one who doesn’t drink wants to “experience” a bar

Because people want to see the movies come to life and some people don't drink. And there aren't a lot of options if you don't drink. Disney didn't put enough Star Wars experiences in their land. I heard that the cantina was initially supposed to be the lounge at the entrance to some sort of dinner theater, but the dinner theater got cut.