**OFFICIAL THREAD**Survivor: Panama

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree. I distinctly remember hearing Jeff say something about it at the time Terry won it.

But then it seems I'm swimming upstream when I talk about things that have happened on the show. I got into an argument on another Survivor thread when someone claimed Terry was being selfish for not offering Danielle his hidden immunity idol, no matter how many times I pointed out that Terry had indeed offered Danielle the hidden idol several episodes ago and she refused.

I don't consider the car thing much of a curse. It's only a reward challenge that has been won, not immunity. People tend to play differently for reward challenges versus immunity challenges, I've noticed.

He did mention it. 12th season with the curse.

It is unrelated to game play--in the past people have been voted out b/c they already won something. at least as far as editing and jeff could tell--these were not people who typically would have been booted the next time had they not won the car. Last season with the option to give the others a car--as soon as she kept it, you knew she was going.

Terry was not booted right away--but it is now this thing to see if anyone could break the curse. Had he won that final immunity--I think he is the closest to anyone who could have breaking that "curse".


And that last challenge sucked.

 

[bicker]

Does anyone else think the rule at 3 people is sooooo unfair???????? It seems that every time the person who comes in #3 is the one that deserves to win. That is because they are voted out by the person who is choosing to go up against someone they think they can beat.

That's part of the Out-Wit part of the game: If you're not smart enough to construct the situation where you can win once you get to the Final Three, then you haven't played Survivor well-enough to deserve to win. Aras did that. He deserved to win, and won, because he worked to foster a situation where not only would he win going against Danielle, but that he'd appear to Danielle to be the better person to bring to the Final Two.

That should be a lesson for anyone playing this game: This isn't the Olympics, so do not physically dominate. It's why I didn't want Terry to win, and I believe it is why he didn't win.

I think I mentioned this in another thread: The final challenge always favors women; it's always about balance and endurance. It is part of the game of Survivor, and evens the playing-field. It is something which a player must factor into their strategy, and if they don't, they haven't played well-enough to win.

 

[Buzz2001]

Terry was not booted right away--but it is now this thing to see if anyone could break the curse. Had he won that final immunity--I think he is the closest to anyone who could have breaking that "curse".

Wrong, Colby won the car and made it to the final 2. If he was so stubborn and had taken the chef, he would have won the million and the car.

 

[Buzz2001]

There was no way any man weighing over 125 pounds would have won that challenge against Danielle. Merit had nothing to do with it - it's all about physics.

These challanges are set up before they know who is going to make the final 3. Every year it is a hanging or balancing test. Aras jumped in thinking that Danielle was going to take him so we will never know if he would have been able to balance on the smallest one. He didn't have as much trouble as Terry did and Terry dosen't look to be much bigger than Danielle.

 

[Buzz2001]

That's part of the Out-Wit part of the game: If you're not smart enough to construct the situation where you can win once you get to the Final Three, then you haven't played Survivor well-enough to deserve to win. Aras did that. He deserved to win, and won, because he worked to foster a situation where not only would he win going against Danielle, but that he'd appear to Danielle to be the better person to bring to the Final Two.

That should be a lesson for anyone playing this game: This isn't the Olympics, so do not physically dominate. It's why I didn't want Terry to win, and I believe it is why he didn't win.

I think I mentioned this in another thread: The final challenge always favors women; it's always about balance and endurance. It is part of the game of Survivor, and evens the playing-field. It is something which a player must factor into their strategy, and if they don't, they haven't played well-enough to win.

well said

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

I knew Dani would win that challenge before it started. Balancing on water is entirely different than the other balance challenges of past years that go on for "hours".

Imho-Ara's did not win due to outwiting, he was simply lucky enough to be on the right "team" (Dani's former teammate). Dani was also "lucky" towards the end of the game. I did not see any outwiting or outplaying from these 2.

 

[dolphin01]

I knew Dani would win that challenge before it started. Balancing on water is entirely different than the other balance challenges of past years that go on for "hours".

Imho-Ara's did not win due to outwiting, he was simply lucky enough to be on the right "team" (Dani's former teammate). Dani was also "lucky" towards the end of the game. I did not see any outwiting or outplaying from these 2.

It's funny how people preceive Dani and Aras as being lucky but Terry as a masterful survivor. How every you want to spin it, they made it to the final 2.

 

[bicker]

Precisely. I think many folks are equating physical prowess with Survivor. Just look at the past winners and you'll see that that has never been the hallmark of success on this show.

 

[MomofKatie]

Precisely. I think many folks are equating physical prowess with Survivor. Just look at the past winners and you'll see that that has never been the hallmark of success on this show.

With the possible exception of Ethan from Season 3. He was pretty physically tough in Africa.

 

[CookieGVB]

Danielle picking Aras because he "bullied her into it" by threatening not to vote for her if she took Terry was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Well, idiot, if you take Aras, you're DEFINITELY not getting either of their votes - duh.

Terry should have no regrets - he stayed alive as the only surviving member of his tribe. To those who thought he shouldn't have won as many challenges - did you think the target already on his back was going to go away? He'd have had to pull out that immunity idol pretty fast.

And a question - once he used the immunity idol - was that a one-time "save" - or could he keep "playing" it?

 

[grimley1968]

And a question - once he used the immunity idol - was that a one-time "save" - or could he keep "playing" it?

That would have been a "one-time save", and could have been used anytime until the Final 3.

 

[Buzz2001]

Danielle picking Aras because he "bullied her into it" by threatening not to vote for her if she took Terry was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Well, idiot, if you take Aras, you're DEFINITELY not getting either of their votes - duh.

Danielle was damn if she did or didn't. You're saying she could of won if she took Terry...please. She did the right thing.

 

[Buzz2001]

Precisely. I think many folks are equating physical prowess with Survivor. Just look at the past winners and you'll see that that has never been the hallmark of success on this show.

Other than the season with Colby. He ran through everyone each and every challenge and only lost because he did not want to give the chef $100,000 because he hated him so much. And I still don't understand how he didn't get enough votes to win since he did everything a survivor castaway could have done. They gave the money to someone who just rode his coat tails.

 

[CookieGVB]

Danielle was damn if she did or didn't. You're saying she could of won if she took Terry...please. She did the right thing.

Um...no...I'm saying she was stupid for not realizing that his browbeating her with promising not to vote for her was going to effect anything. Either way, she wouldn't get his and Cirie's vote. She never would have won against Terry, either. That's a given.

 

[cats mom]

And a question - once he used the immunity idol - was that a one-time "save" - or could he keep "playing" it?

One time deal on the hidden immunity idol.

Given the way the numbers worked out this season, Terry had no choice but to play a strong physical game.

I know some folks go on and on about how he needed to form alliances, but I don't see ANYONE coming into that Casya tribe and manufacturing a flip. Just was not going to happen. Had nothing to do with understanding the game OR people skills IMO, it was all about the numbers.
I'm sure in retrospect some of them wish they had flipped, but most of them really thought they were among the power brokers in the group.


On that note was anyone else surprised that Bruce had both hands in the air when Jeff asked who would have voted for Danielle had she gone up against Terry?
I had him pegged for a possible Terry vote.
But then he did talk about being small and picked on in his life. Dysfunctional as it was, maybe being a part of the Casya group and standing against the physical guy was enough for him.


I'm fine with the last challenge being about endurance. I just don't think this one was. Didn't like it AT ALL.
It was Danielle's challenge to win, no doubt about it.

Also agree that Danielle was going to lose no matter who she took to the final - so she should have done the right thing and taken the person who deserved it more. Just to clarify - that would be Terry.

I think Aras' win was more about luck than playing smart.
But it's no secret I'm a Terry fan and I'm big enough to admit that my opinion might be just the tiniest bit biased.

 

[Buzz2001]

Um...no...I'm saying she was stupid for not realizing that his browbeating her with promising not to vote for her was going to effect anything. Either way, she wouldn't get his and Cirie's vote. She never would have won against Terry, either. That's a given.

I think she knew that once Aras and Cirie aligned to vote her out. I'm glad she rewarded someone in her tribe rather than giving it away to Terry.

 

[Buzz2001]

Also agree that Danielle was going to lose no matter who she took to the final - so she should have done the right thing and taken the person who deserved it more. Just to clarify - that would be Terry.

I think she thought "just maybe, maybe if I take Aras I have a chance to get 4 votes". Stranger things have happended. With Terry she knew she had no chance as evidenced by the show of hands to Jeff's question.

Did they ever annouce all 7 votes? I know she had 2 and Aras 4 but did they show that last vote?

 

[declansdad]

I think she knew that once Aras and Cirie aligned to vote her out. I'm glad she rewarded someone in her tribe rather than giving it away to Terry.

Not sure why she would have wanted to help anyone in her alliance. On more than one occassion they showed her where she stood with them and simply used her to make sure they had the votes. The only reason that she survived the final four vote was because Terry thought they had a deal.

Her reason that she didn't hink she would be in a position to have to honour her final agreement was weak. That alone would have sealed her fate with Terry.

Terry outplayed them, Cirie outwitted them and I guess you could say that Aras outlasted them.

 

[Buzz2001]

Her reason that she didn't hink she would be in a position to have to honour her final agreement was weak. That alone would have sealed her fate with Terry.

With Terry yes, but not with the rest of them. Austin and Danielle bonded on Exile Island, Bruce loved her, Shane was a toss up and she got his vote for being closest to 444,444 so she must have thought she had a better chance of flipping one more vote by keeping Aras to show them she stayed true to the alliance. However weak it was, she made it to the final two.

 

[2kidsnutsfordisney]

Ok, I know that Aras has been awarded his check and that the game is over but for the life of me I CANNOT see the "love affair" that the general public seems to have for Cirie what is up with that?? I have watched Survivor from the very beginning and I am sure that she is not the first person to head to Survior without having ever made a fire or catching a fish. Then to top it off she gets a car - give me a break! I like watching the "after show" but I felt like it was the Cirie show. UGH - maybe it is just me but I do not see why everyone likes her so much