OFFICIAL Jan 2011 Half Marathon, Full Marathon, Dopey or Goofy Challenge Thread

[wvjules]

So for new MARATHON runners the suggestion is to not go past 20-22 for training. What about the half? We were going to go to 14 miles on Christmas weekend then taper. We are up to 12 miles this weekend. Should we have done the training plan that only took us up to 10?

 

[FireDancer]

So for new MARATHON runners the suggestion is to not go past 20-22 for training. What about the half? We were going to go to 14 miles on Christmas weekend then taper. We are up to 12 miles this weekend. Should we have done the training plan that only took us up to 10?

There really isn't a "should". I was just saying a lot of plans for the half stop at 10. As long as you aren't getting any over training injuries or soreness lingering around longer than it should (and after most long runs there will be at least some soreness) I don't see anything wrong with going 12 or 14 for a half. I wouldn't say it is necessary either but definitely not wrong.

 

[Rupert B Puppenstein]

What I cannot predict is what those 6 miles will feel like on race day but running a 28 will not necessarily be a predictor either. I am concerned about over distancing a marathon in training for a first time runner. I think that since you had an issue with the last 3 in the first half you ran that a 23-24 mile long run seems like a good compromise. Really there are no magical absolute truths in this, rather it is a lot about creating the tools to get through the mental game.

Thanks Charles.

I may just have to rely on my iPod for the last few miles. Maybe the new TRON Soundtrack. I have definitely been studying your WDW Marathon run through. It is very helpful.

 

[paxsarah]

So for new MARATHON runners the suggestion is to not go past 20-22 for training. What about the half? We were going to go to 14 miles on Christmas weekend then taper. We are up to 12 miles this weekend. Should we have done the training plan that only took us up to 10?

Take this for what it's worth, since I have all of one half-marathon under my belt, but my longest run was 14 miles before my first half in October and I felt very prepared but not overtrained.

 

[rubato]

I can't believe this. I hurt myself running today. I am so mad!

My achilles is killing me. Only on one leg, my left. I was supposed to run 8, but only did 6. Now what? What's the best course of action for treating this? It's a really sharp pain. It hurts just walking on it, but doesn't hurt at all with no weight. I'm icing it and elevating it, but what else should I be doing? Could this be anything serious enough to sideline my training?

 

[Pumbaa80]

So for new MARATHON runners the suggestion is to not go past 20-22 for training. What about the half? We were going to go to 14 miles on Christmas weekend then taper. We are up to 12 miles this weekend. Should we have done the training plan that only took us up to 10?

are you using galloway? The plan my husband and I are using sounds like yours.

We decided to do 13.1 instead of the 12.5 this weekend with the idea that we would not do the 14.

I do have a couple questions for anyone who'd like to share their wisdom>

How should we map out these next few weeks? We have a short "long run" on the 12th. Then the 19th is suppose to be 14 miles. If we don't do the 14, what milage would you recommend for that weekend? 10? Then, that still leaves two weeks in there (the 26th and the 2th)....any recommendations?

 

[wvjules]

are you using galloway? The plan my husband and I are using sounds like yours.

Yes, I'm using Galloway, mostly. We have just been increasing 1 mile per week until we hit 14 on 12/25 then 5 on 1/1, a shorter run before we leave for disney on 12/4 and then whatever we can fit in while at Disney.

 

[DisneyBoundinDec]

I can't believe this. I hurt myself running today. I am so mad!

My achilles is killing me. Only on one leg, my left. I was supposed to run 8, but only did 6. Now what? What's the best course of action for treating this? It's a really sharp pain. It hurts just walking on it, but doesn't hurt at all with no weight. I'm icing it and elevating it, but what else should I be doing? Could this be anything serious enough to sideline my training?

Oh Tandy I feel for you! I didn't run all last week because mine was killing me as well!! I think I did it when I got back from Disney.. didn't run for a whole week and then came home and ran 6.5.. felt fine doing it but I was a little sore after.. then ran 4 2 days later and it KILLED me... I tried to get in another 6 the following weekend but I had to limp home after running 3...
I was SOOO mad and upset... because I was right there in my training where I knew I could just go.. my body was doing so well.. my cardio was fine.. my legs were fine.. so I took a week off and did nothing.. it hurt to just walk for the first 4 days.. I didn't go to a doctor but I just tried to stay off of it and used a heating pad at night..
I ran 2.5 miles today and it feels fine... we'll see what it feels like tomorrow.
I actually think I am going to cut back on my miles during the week to only 3 a run.. and not the 4-5 that higdons plan has me at.. and then get my long runs up to only 10 before the 1/2..

Hope yours feels better soon!!

 

[FFigawi]

are you using galloway? The plan my husband and I are using sounds like yours.

We decided to do 13.1 instead of the 12.5 this weekend with the idea that we would not do the 14.

I do have a couple questions for anyone who'd like to share their wisdom>

How should we map out these next few weeks? We have a short "long run" on the 12th. Then the 19th is suppose to be 14 miles. If we don't do the 14, what milage would you recommend for that weekend? 10? Then, that still leaves two weeks in there (the 26th and the 2th)....any recommendations?

Here's one idea that will give you another good long run and then a nice taper over the following three weeks before the race.
12/12 - your short run
12/19 - 12 or 13 miles
12/26 - 6 miles
1/2 - 4 miles

 

[Rupert B Puppenstein]

I can't believe this. I hurt myself running today. I am so mad!

My achilles is killing me. Only on one leg, my left. I was supposed to run 8, but only did 6. Now what? What's the best course of action for treating this? It's a really sharp pain. It hurts just walking on it, but doesn't hurt at all with no weight. I'm icing it and elevating it, but what else should I be doing? Could this be anything serious enough to sideline my training?

I hope it isn't anything serious. I would recommend seeing a sports medicine doctor right away. The achilles tendon isn't something you want to mess with or treat improperly. Since the race is coming up so soon, I would get a second opinion before self treating. Rest is the number one way to treat an achilles injury...so for the time being until you can get in with your doctor, all running should stop. Better to be safe than sorry. Good Luck!

If I have learned anything from training for all these half marathons and this marathon, it is to stop whenever you feel pain...rest is the best medicine.

 

[Fellowship9798]

I'm feeling very discouraged. After training for the last 10 months or so and now being just over a month away from the full marathon, the outside of my right knee has started hurting (typical IT Band problem symptoms) and despite taking most of 1.5 weeks off, I can't get past about 5 miles without the knee feeling very tender and on the verge of pain.

I've had no problems with health or injuries up to this point, and I've followed a slow and gradually building plan, but it seems to just be just poor luck and timing. I'm trying some different shoes and doing IT Band stretches, but I don't know how I'l be able to complete my long training runs. If I can 't do the long training runs and my knee starts feeling tweaked by 4-5 miles, I don't know whether I should even attempt to show up for the marathon.

I'll keep carefully watching and seeing how I feel, but it is so frustrating to experience this after nearly a year of building to the marathon. Maybe I should switch to a lower impact run/walk strategy and make my plan just to finish in as long a time as it takes (within the cutoff pace) rather than the 4 hours or so it was looking like before.

I've never been so upset with a part of my own body before. Bad knee! Bad knee!

 

[John VN]

I'm feeling very discouraged. After training for the last 10 months or so and now being just over a month away from the full marathon, the outside of my right knee has started hurting (typical IT Band problem symptoms) and despite taking most of 1.5 weeks off, I can't get past about 5 miles without the knee feeling very tender and on the verge of pain.

I've had no problems with health or injuries up to this point, and I've followed a slow and gradually building plan, but it seems to just be just poor luck and timing. I'm trying some different shoes and doing IT Band stretches, but I don't know how I'l be able to complete my long training runs. If I can 't do the long training runs and my knee starts feeling tweaked by 4-5 miles, I don't know whether I should even attempt to show up for the marathon.

I'll keep carefully watching and seeing how I feel, but it is so frustrating to experience this after nearly a year of building to the marathon. Maybe I should switch to a lower impact run/walk strategy and make my plan just to finish in as long a time as it takes (within the cutoff pace) rather than the 4 hours or so it was looking like before.

I've never been so upset with a part of my own body before. Bad knee! Bad knee!

Not an expert by any means but DW experienced the same pain during the Space Coast 1/2 Marathon we completed a couple weekends ago. Thought it was ITB problem but after a visit to Dr. the diagnoses was Tendonitis. She has rested, stretched, massaged and exercised her legs with the end result being able to go out last night with no pain.

Don't self diagnose, go to Dr. and find out for sure.

 

[Sarah_Rose]

Don't self diagnose, go to Dr. and find out for sure.

The sudden onset of new pain should always be checked out by a doctor. A few years ago, I suddenly developed arch pain during a run. I was ready to chalk it up to plantar fasciitis but my DH convinced me to see a doctor. Good thing, too, because it turns out I had actually dislocated my cuboid bone and it had to be manually put back in place. If I'd just continued to believe it was a common runners' injury, I would have had some real damage.

 

[Rupert B Puppenstein]

It took about a month for my IT band to feel better and so I stopped running for that entire time after the DL half. Not exactly an option for a race coming up so soon, but I got the foam roller and my Sports Medicine Doc and Physical Therapist recommended adding the hip adductor and hip abductor circuit training and that has made a huge difference. I never did any of the stretches that were recommended but I have heard that those are very effective. I was pretty sure that the IT band was the issue, but I made sure I saw my doctor first to rule out anything more serious. I can't recommend having a Sports Medicine Doctor more...especially one that is a runner - a serious runner. Every time you push through the pain you risk setting yourself back more and more so I would stop now, make an appointment and rest. Elevate your leg, ice it, and use the foam roller - take it easy until your appointment. No running.

I hope it isn't something more serious. Sending good thoughts to all of you that are hurting right now. Not fun at all.

I'm feeling very discouraged. After training for the last 10 months or so and now being just over a month away from the full marathon, the outside of my right knee has started hurting (typical IT Band problem symptoms) and despite taking most of 1.5 weeks off, I can't get past about 5 miles without the knee feeling very tender and on the verge of pain.

I've had no problems with health or injuries up to this point, and I've followed a slow and gradually building plan, but it seems to just be just poor luck and timing. I'm trying some different shoes and doing IT Band stretches, but I don't know how I'l be able to complete my long training runs. If I can 't do the long training runs and my knee starts feeling tweaked by 4-5 miles, I don't know whether I should even attempt to show up for the marathon.

I'll keep carefully watching and seeing how I feel, but it is so frustrating to experience this after nearly a year of building to the marathon. Maybe I should switch to a lower impact run/walk strategy and make my plan just to finish in as long a time as it takes (within the cutoff pace) rather than the 4 hours or so it was looking like before.

I've never been so upset with a part of my own body before. Bad knee! Bad knee!

 

[verticalchaos]

Sending pixie dust your way Fellowship!!!!

In other news...

ONE MONTH TO THE HALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[deleckidesign]

Sending pixie dust your way Fellowship!!!!

In other news...

ONE MONTH TO THE HALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope you recover quickly Fellowship!

verticalchaos - What's your expected finish time? I'm running the half as well. Getting excited!!!

 

[verticalchaos]

Hope you recover quickly Fellowship!

verticalchaos - What's your expected finish time? I'm running the half as well. Getting excited!!!

I'm in the 2:45 corral. (Or I should say my 10K time was accepted for an estimated 2:45 finish.) My 10K times seem to point to something in that neighborhood. I'll be using a 4:1 as opposed to a 3:1 or 3:2 run:walk ratio though, so we'll see what that does. I used it in a 5M race here and it improved my pace by almost a minute a mile.

How about you?

 

[rubato]

Thanks Disneybound and Shelby. I appreciate the advice. I am going to take it easy for the next week and a half with no running, walking or zumba. I'll ice and I have prescription anti inflammatories. I'm going to try to stay off of it as much as possible. If I don't feel that it's improving a little within a few days, I'll go see a doctor right away. Luckily, I have already done the 22 miles. I know that 6 weeks is too much of a taper, but at least I've done it. If I feel better by next weekend, I'll see what I'm physically capable of doing. I was initially going to do 24, but after all the advice here, am hoping for another 20. But, at this point, if I can just run I'll be happy.

 

[crashbb]

I'm in the 2:45 corral. (Or I should say my 10K time was accepted for an estimated 2:45 finish.) My 10K times seem to point to something in that neighborhood. I'll be using a 4:1 as opposed to a 3:1 or 3:2 run:walk ratio though, so we'll see what that does. I used it in a 5M race here and it improved my pace by almost a minute a mile.

How about you?

I'm not deleckidesign, but I'm also doing the half. I'll be doing 10:1 intervals. My 10km time was 61 minutes, so I'm not sure what translates to for my half marathon time. I think I said 2:20 (my halfs tend to be between 2:10 and 2:25 - but I did triathlons recently, so didn't have a qualifying half time to submit).

How do you know that your time was accepted?

 

[verticalchaos]

I'm not deleckidesign, but I'm also doing the half. I'll be doing 10:1 intervals. My 10km time was 61 minutes, so I'm not sure what translates to for my half marathon time. I think I said 2:20 (my halfs tend to be between 2:10 and 2:25 - but I did triathlons recently, so didn't have a qualifying half time to submit).

How do you know that your time was accepted?

I'd emailed it to them (this was in the beginning of October) with a link to the serachable results. I got an email back stating that they had received it and updated my registration information.