Official and Confirmed

[DPCummerbund]

The title of this forum is Disney Rumors and News. People can post news or rumors and be "on topic".

Start a thread about a rumor but use a thread title which says you're posting official information. That's a technique used by trolls who want to increase activity in their thread. No reason we should be clicking on a thread which describes itself as being official information only to find the thread is a rehash of rumors and speculation already in a rumor thread.

I think you're exactly right about this. People think that by adding "official" to their threads, they'll somehow get more readers or make their posts more persuasive.

It's not a matter of upsetting people who object to a word being used incorrectly. It's the difference between Rumor and News, between Fact and Fiction.

It's also a matter of degree - some sources are more believable than others. There's a difference between one person hearing a rumor from a random CM & an informed writer quoting reliable inside sources. Neither one may turn out to be correct, but one is more reliable & believable than the other.

These distinctions are important. If they weren't, we may as well call this the "Disney Fan Fiction" section, where everybody can write about whatever they want & credibility is irrelevant, because we're all just making stuff up. I'll write a whole article about how the Wilderness Lodge is going to be picked up and moved to the monorail line, and Star Wars land will be opening next summer, and Disney is going to build another Space Mountain in my back yard just because I asked them to.

 

[gibbow]

Pleasure Island will be replaced by 120 acre waterfront district to be called "Hyperion Wharf".

A less upscale version of DTD featuring hotel, condominium, shopping and dining district known as the "Western Beltway Development." will occupy around 330 acres of Disney property.

A mirror image of POP is across hourglass lake. OK that one got partially built, abandoned then built as something different.

A Disney hotel, probably DVC, will be built in National Harbor, near DC.

A 61 acre DVC resort will be built adjacent to the Eagle Pine Golf Course.

These were projects announced by Disney press conferences, plans filed with the appropriate governing body or otherwise absolutely confirmed.

Sounds like some posters hope to add Avatar land to that list.

Even Disney can change its mind.

The fact that a CM says something doesn't mean the project is either official or confirmed, unless the CM is named Bob Iger. An internet blog or site which sites several anonymous cast members as a source is neither official or confirmed. I suspect some (many) of the cm heard whatever rumor we're talking about from the internet.

Occasionally we'll get a rumor which is credible on the internet but originating from a press release. A rumor which is linked to a credible source. Sometimes a construction permit which is filed and is available to the public. The architect group which designed Bay Lake Towers briefly had the rendering on their site as an example of their work before Disney announced the project. A few years ago a poster offered a link to a cast call in a trade paper for a show in one of the parks. Gave the audition information, the date rehearsals would start and the date the cast would move to Orlando for final rehearsals prior to the opening. Those are good examples of "credible rumors" CMs at Lights being given notice, if true, would have been another example

Some posters are offering rumors as news and pure speculation as rumors.

Stars Wars land might replace Lights. Doesn't change the fact that posters who are saying it's official and or confirmed are incorrect.

You want to start a rumor. How about Be Our Guest serving breakfast? Has that been announced?

I'm relatively new to being active in these forums, and I take each thread step my step reading the original post in this "rumors" section and know that people sometimes may use words incorrectly. If a credible source is mentioned, I become a little more excited, if not, I realize it's a "rumor" section and take it with a grain of salt for what it is, a rumor regardless if the title of the post is "official/confirmed." The 2 minutes spent reading the original post usually clarifies and it doesn't bother me either way...


That being said, A Character breakfast at BoG would be pretty cool

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I thoroughly enjoy Disney park rumors. I also enjoy thinking about the plausibility of rumors and commenting about them. That's why I like to visit this forum.

There have been a number of rumor threads on this forum, on other forums at DISboards, and elsewhere on the web about Cars Land coming to DHS. There have also been rumor threads about a land based on Star Wars.

DHS needs some serious improvements. Disney owns both Pixar and Lucasfilm. Cars Land in California is a huge success. The universe of Star Wars seems to lend itself well to a theme park land.

There seem to be quite a few people, including some WDW cast members, who believe one of both of these projects are definite. But, at this time, nothing is "official" and nothing has been "confirmed." So far, there has not even been corroborating evidence such as online permit filings with a Florida regulatory agency or document leaks from one of WDI's vendors.

I expect Disney to announce SOMETHING about DHS at the D23 Expo in August. I'll be disappointed and surprised if that's not the case.

If either or both projects are announced in August, nobody will object to a new thread with "official" and "confirmed" in the topic name.

 

[Mickeywdw1254]

I'll tell you what's official. The title of this section needs to have the word rumor removed from it because there are evidently loads of posters that object to rumors being posted.
They also simply cannot seem to mentally or emotionally deal with supposed incorrect usage of the word official. It is apparently an affront to their humanity as it comes up so often. I have no other choice to believe that incorrect usage of official actually haunts them and keeps them awake at night. The rumors posted here with the word official attached to them is seriously causing mini break downs among the unfortunate (for the rest of us) vocal minority.
On behalf of these poor desperate souls, I submit that the thread title be changed to avoid further semantics induced freak outs.

What's funny is you also get your post torn apart if you DON'T use those words and only say you heard from a reliable source or you have good info which is usually the whole idea of a RUMOR forum.

 

[chadj07]

They already have designer drinks with a Star Wars theme. they have several they have used for press events, but just this past Star Wars Weekends they had two being sold at various locations.

No Blue Milk spotted yet though.

I have to add that there were blue milk milkshakes at Sci-fi dine in. They weren't on the menu but the waitress did offer them to the table next to me. If I had know I would have at least had to try one. This was during Star Wars weekends.

 

[Disney Blues]

I don't mind the headline OFFICIAL, this is a public forum and if u choose to believe what random people write, well that's on you. I actually really enjoy peoples reactions, it quite entertaining. Unless Disney has it listed as official on there website I don't pay any mind. I think its kinda fun when people make a rumor official, and if it weren't for these people than this rumor site would be Lame....I just ask they be more creative

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

What's funny is you also get your post torn apart if you DON'T use those words and only say you heard from a reliable source or you have good info which is usually the whole idea of a RUMOR forum.

This is a discussion forum. The whole idea is to discuss Disney rumors and news.

It's reasonable to discuss whether the source of a rumor has credibility, whether the rumored plan makes business sense, whether the rumor is consistent with how Disney does things, and what factors make the rumor believable or unlikely.

Posting "a reliable source told me" legitimately leads others to ask about the source.

 

[godolphin123]

I seem to remember a cool rendering/promo/blurb in the Mickey Monitor a few years back about that Hyperion Warf project

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I seem to remember a cool rendering/promo/blurb in the Mickey Monitor a few years back about that Hyperion Warf project

Here's the story of Disney's Hyperion Wharf, including renderings:

http://www.yesterland.com/hyperwharf.html

Hyperion Wharf never happened. The new plans call for Pleasure Island to become The Landing at Disney Springs.

 

[godolphin123]

And thanks, it is fun to look at those renderings

 

[tjkraz]

Personally I do have problems with terms like "official" and "confirmed." Those labels should be reserved for press releases and other formal Disney confirmation.

Disney does cancel--or significantly alter--plans from time-to-time. So there is an element of doubt in any project. But for every Eagle Pines DVC or Flamingo crossings, we could list dozens of projects which were announced and completed.

As for unannounced projects, I'm not sure that posters really grasp the circular nature of the Disney rumor mill. Most blue sky rumors are single-sourced...one blogger or forum poster mentions it and the discussion gets picked up on a dozen different sites. Eventually it's discussed so widely that readers begin accepting it as "fact."

If 5 different websites say the same thing, it must be true, right? Problem comes when 4 of those sites are just regurgitating posts from the 5th.

Nothing should ever be branded "official" or "confirmed" unless there is a Disney source. Even the most accurate rumors can be derailed for a variety of reasons (executive changes, budget issues, economy, changing internal focus, etc.)

 

[Dannek]

Three pages, time to settle in.....

>>>kicks his feet up and lights his Freud pipe...