Offical Hurricane Frances thread!

Originally posted by bzmom
We are supposed to leave Thurs 9/2 on the 3 day cruise - and we don't know what to do either! We live in CHarleston, SC and I can't leave tomorrow thinking the hurricane might come here while I'm cruising! And we don't want to get caught up in the after Hurricane mess coming home on Sunday. I can't imagine it would be that great of a cruise with no port stops and possibe rough seas. Any thoughts? I hate missing Castaway Cay. Do they let you reschedule if the cruise is not canceled?
My kids are crushed!:confused:

I think you are the first to post about being on Thursday's cruise. I'm surious as to what will happen.
I hope it all works out for you.
{{{Hugs}}}
 
Check out the 11pm projected path update...NOT GOOD NEWS:umbrella:

I guess the only positive is that there is still time for the ACTUAL path to change. Fingers crossed, everyone!:earseek:
 
Hi all--I think 2 glasses of wine does it--I feel oh so much better.....

Anyway---here is the 11pm advisory (dude--South Beach Diet--and two glasses of wine after being on South Beach for 6 weeks (I've had 1 wine occasionaly)--anyway--makes it really really hard to type--my fingers are running away......................)


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT06/refresh/AL0604W5+GIF/010253W5.gif

oops that is the map--soemone sober wanna take over--I give up...aaaack...

whew--okay I pasetd it--time to go to sleep--sorry y'all this wine is really buzzing me---aaaaaccccckkkk! Sorry--I am really not making light--I ams so having trouble typing--

the advisory:

000
WTNT31 KNHC 010245
TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE FRANCES ADVISORY NUMBER 29
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM AST TUE AUG 31 2004

...SEVERE HURRICANE FRANCES HEADING TOWARD THE TURKS AND CAICOS
ISLANDS AND THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS...

A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS...
WHICH INCLUDES ACKLINS...CROOKED...INAGUAS...MAYAGUANA AND
RAGGED ISLANDS...AND FOR THE TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS.

A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS WHICH
INCLUDES CAT...EXUMAS...LONG ISLANDS...RUM CAY AND SAN SALVADOR.

A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED
WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO
PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION. A
HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE
WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT THE NORTH COAST OF THE
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM PUNTA GORDA WESTWARD TO MANZANILLO BAY.

FRANCES CONTINUES TO BE TRACKED WITH RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT...
SATELLITE IMAGES...AND DOPPLER RADAR FROM PUERTO RICO. AT 11 PM
AST...0300Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FRANCES WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 20.8 NORTH...LONGITUDE 67.0 WEST OR ABOUT 270 MILES...
430 KM...EAST OF GRAND TURK ISLAND.

FRANCES IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 16 MPH...
26 KM/HR...AND THIS GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR
THE NEXT 24 HOURS. ON THIS TRACK...THE CORE OF THE HURRICANE WILL
BE PASSING NEAR OR OVER THE TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS...AND THE
SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS REMAIN NEAR 140 MPH...220 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS. THIS MAKES FRANCES A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. WHILE FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY ARE
EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS...FRANCES COULD STILL INTENSIFY A
LITTLE MORE BEFORE REACHING THE HURRICANE WARNING AREA.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 70 MILES...110 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 185 MILES...295 KM.

THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 939 MB...27.73 INCHES.

RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES...LOCALLY HIGHER...ARE POSSIBLE
OVER PORTIONS OF PUERTO RICO TONIGHT...AND OVER THE DOMINICAN
REPUBLIC ON WEDNESDAY.

LARGE AND DANGEROUS WAVES ARE POSSIBLE ALONG THE NORTH COAST OF
HISPANIOLA.

REPEATING THE 11 PM AST POSITION...20.8 N... 67.0 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 16 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS...140 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 939 MB.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 2 AM AST FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT
COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 5 AM AST.

FORECASTER STEWART


$$
 

WTNT41 KNHC 010242
TCDAT1
HURRICANE FRANCES DISCUSSION NUMBER 29
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT TUE AUG 31 2004

RECENT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT REPORTS INDICATE THE CENTRAL PRESSURE
HAS STABILIZED TO AROUND 939-940 MB...BASED ON THE 700 MB HEIGHT
FALLS. THE MAXIMUM FLIGHT-LEVEL WIND REPORTED ON THE LAST LEG WAS
130 KT ...WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT A 117-KT SURFACE WIND. A DROPSONDE
IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT ALSO REPORTED A 135-KT WIND AT ABOUT 600
FT ABOVE THE OCEAN SURFACE. CLOUD TOPS HAVE ALSO COOLED AROUND THE
EYE AND THE EYE HAS BECOME MORE DISTINCT IN BOTH SATELLITE AND
RADAR DATA...WHILE CONTRACTING DOWN TO ABOUT 20 NMI. BASED ON THIS
INFORMATION...THE INTENSITY IS BEING MAINTAINED AT 120 KT.

THE INITIAL MOTION IS NOW 285/14. THE FORECAST IS RELATIVELY CLEAR
CUT THROUGH 48 HOURS WITH MOST OF THE NHC MODEL GUIDANCE AGREEING
ON A WEST-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION TOWARD THE EAST-CENTRAL BAHAMAS.
AFTER THAT...THE MODELS DIVERGE AND DIVIDE INTO THREE DISTINCT TRACK
PATTERNS. THE GFDL AND GFDN RACE FRANCES TOWARD THE SOUTHERN COAST
OF SOUTH CAROLINA IN 96-120 HR...THE GFS...MEDIUM AND DEEP BAM...
AND UKMET MODELS TAKE FRANCES MORE SLOWLY INTO EAST-CENTRAL FLORIDA
IN 96-120 HR...WHILE THE NOGAPS...LBAR..12Z ECMWF...AND THE ETA
MODELS MOVE FRANCES ACROSS SOUTHEAST FLORIDA IN ABOUT 72 HR. THE
18Z GFDL MODEL ALSO SHIFTED WESTWARD FROM THE PREVIOUS RUN. IF THE
GFDN AND GFDL MODELS ARE IGNORED...THE REST OF THE NHC MODEL
GUIDANCE AGREES THAT THE FLORIDA EAST COAST WILL BE THE EVENTUAL
LANDFALL REGION. ONE DISTURBING PIECE OF INFORMATION IS THAT ALL OF
THE MODELS...EXCLUDING THE GFDL AND GFDN...AGREE THAT FRANCES WILL
SLOW DOWN TO LESS THAN 10 KT AFTER 72 HOURS...AND THE GFS EVEN
REDUCES THE FORWARD SPEED TO 4 KT IN 96 HR. THIS SUGGESTS THAT
STEERING CURRENTS MAY BRIEFLY COLLAPSE AS FRANCES APPROACHES THE
NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS AND THE FLORIDA EAST COAST. THE DIFFERENCE IN
THE MODELS IS HOW THEY HANDLE THE DEEP LOW OFF THE NORTHWESTERN
U.S. COAST AS IT DIGS INTO THE CENTRAL PLAINS...AND HOW THE RIDGE
AMPLIFIES ALONG THE U.S. EAST COAST IN RESPONSE TO THAT DIGGING
LOW/TROUGH. THE GFDL HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY INITIALIZING TOO WEAK OF
A RIDGE AROUND BERMUDA...SO LITTLE WEIGHT WAS PLACED ON THE
GFDL/GFDN SOLUTIONS. A SLIGHT WESTWARD JOG WAS PLACED IN THE
FORECAST TRACK AFTER 72-96 HR TO INDICATE SOME BUILDING OF THE
RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF FRANCES AT THAT TIME. THE OFFICIAL TRACK IS
CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS TRACK THROUGH 72 HOURS...AND THEN A LITTLE
LEFT OF TRACK...IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUNA CONSENSUS MODEL.

THE INTENSITY FORECAST REMAINS UNCHANGED. THE SHIPS MODEL PEAKS
FRANCES AT 124 KT IN 12-24 HOURS...THEN WEAKENS THE HURRICANE DOWN
TO 112 KT IN 72 HOURS. HOWEVER...THIS WEAKENING IS CAUSED BY
'SELF-INFLICTED' VERTICAL SHEAR SINCE THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK
IS SOUTH OF THE GFS TRACK...PLACING THE HURRICANECENTER IN STRONG
CYCLONIC WESTERLY OUTFLOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GFS MODEL STORM.

FORECASTER STEWART

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 01/0300Z 20.8N 67.0W 120 KT
12HR VT 01/1200Z 21.7N 69.1W 125 KT
24HR VT 02/0000Z 22.8N 71.4W 130 KT
36HR VT 02/1200Z 24.0N 73.5W 130 KT
48HR VT 03/0000Z 25.2N 75.5W 130 KT
72HR VT 04/0000Z 26.8N 78.3W 125 KT
96HR VT 05/0000Z 28.0N 81.0W 100 KT...INLAND
120HR VT 06/0000Z 31.0N 82.5W 55 KT...INLAND


$$
 
One thing is for sure, none of us are sure where the hurricane is going to hit.

Rachel (in panic mode, but still keeping my fingers crossed)
 
Originally posted by WisconsinDisneyGirl

Well, I think we will try to fly stand by on Friday am. It is so much to change the ticket! I am glad that we are all in on this together!!! By the way- who will be on the Sept. 5 Wonder?

You can go standby for free.
I'm scheduled Sept. 5th. there is a thread going on the cruise meets board.
 
If you choose to fly standby--you better be at the airport EARLY--as EARLY as humanly possible--b/c you won't be the only one with that idea. You want to be the first in that standby line. Keep in mind though if your trip is multiple legs--you will have to fly standby each leg.

In other words, if you get on that first flight--you can be stuck in your connecting airport for hours trying to make a standby connection.

My sister flies standby all the time with Northwest airlines. Her fiance works for NWA---so she knows ahead of time how many seats are left on a plane and her chances of success to make the flight. If a flight is near sold out she just stays home as there is a priority list (like mileage club members, passengers who missed a flight due to airline fault or weather fault, then passengers just trying to catch a differnt flight, then peopel like her who are relatives of employees or employees).

The first flight of the day usually is the easiest to fly standby on -- which requires usually to be at the airport when it opens (5 to 6am time frame).

Good luck!
 
i contacted american about our flight fri morn, after dcl cm suggested that frances was going to hit friday, still not sure what forecast she is watching. but aa said that if i wait until it gets closer and weather becomes imminent threat we will be able to change flight at no additional cost.
 
Thanks for pointing that out pogopossum.

Okay--i am going to bed now so that I will be able to get up and run in the morning and burn off the calories from my 2 glass winefest this evening.

Happy trails--safe travel EVERYONE!

We boarded one window today! Only a lot more to go!
 
Hey guys, someone posted this several pages ago but I'm posting it again http://www.snonut.flhurricane.com/frances10.htm because it's written in ENGLISH instead of WEATHER! That means you can almost understand what he's saying.

I'm still watching the TPC and Wunderground and the Weather Channel. I want to know what's going on since DD is on the Magic.

The good news is that today looked really calm in Grand Cayman so the folks on the Magic now are having a great trip. May just have an interesting ending unless Frances changes.

Can we all chant together:
Turn Baby Turn
Turn Baby Turn
Turn Baby Turn
TURN BABY TURN
TURN BABY TURN
TURN BABY TURN
TURN BABY TURN

And I'm adding prayers for everyone who will be affected by the storm. Not only will there be property damage but small business owners will lose business, ie income at a critical time in the year and some people will lose their jobs because the businesses where they worked will be destroyed. Hurricanes are NOT nice.
You guys in Florida will stay in my prayers and add some for safety of everyone traveling to or from the ships.
 
Good night Lisa loves Pooh! Please don't drink and put up boards at the same time! I know what you mean by South Beach and wine!!! I had a few wines myself and am on Atkins! Not a good mix!!!:hyper:
 
Originally posted by pogopossum
i contacted american about our flight fri morn, after dcl cm suggested that frances was going to hit friday, still not sure what forecast she is watching. but aa said that if i wait until it gets closer and weather becomes imminent threat we will be able to change flight at no additional cost.


I just changed our flight to Thursday. We we're scheduled to get into MCO at 11:35 PM Friday night. I called SWA and asked them "how much to change our flight to Thursday - Same time" She quoted me $200/person. I asked her "So Southewest is not interested in getting people to Orlando ahead of the Hurricane? She said oh that's Orlando isn't it? Let me check. She came back and said we can do that at no additional cost to you.

Boy was I happy ... There are 5 of us. And now we'll be in Orlando Friday Morning.
 
The latest Frances forecast map shows it going almost over the top of Castaway Cay. BooHoo.

Monstro, great news on your changed flight. Now you'll have an extra day to enjoy the parks before the mess hits. Have a great time and stay safe.
 
congrats monstro,
i just wish i knew where to make res for friday night, pretty sure that we won't need those pc res'. as i posted before, if not here on one of the other frances or sept 4 threads, comfort inn and suites in cocoa told me that they are already closing on thurs and fri. our res are at quality suites and they will decide thurs morn.
if we knew for sure tampa or kw then i could set up something.
i know that someone said that dcl told them tampa was out, i checked and they have a terminal open on sat. i'm not saying dcl doesn't know what the are talking about but from the looks of frances all bets are off on what really happens with departure.
i could see where tampa is out because of the size of frances and weather in tampa preventing ports use.
 
Hey Y'all,

This is Michael, GANurse's husband. I called the cruise line this evening to see if they had any info this earrly out for the Magic's cruise on Saturday in regards to the hurricane. I was told that the only change they have made to date is the order of ports of call and that we will be going to Castaway Cay on Sunday (9/5) instead of Friday (9/10). When I told Amy this, she said it makes no sense as the hurricane is supposed to be passing the Bahamas on Saturday so we'd have to drive through it to get to the island. Theyalso gave me another number to call as the days get closer. We drive down from Atlanta on Thursday.
 
Hey Michael, I wonder if the CM was talking about THIS week's cruise instead of NEXT week's cruise. This week the ship did go to Castaway Cay on Sunday instead of Friday. Looking at the latest map http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT06/refresh/AL0604W5+GIF/010253W5.gif it looks like by Saturday night, Frances will be over land in central Florida so Castaway Cay might be a possibility on Sunday if they decide to change the itinerary. Maybe they got lots of great feedback about doing CC first this week.

The big question is where will the ship make port?

And how much if any damage will there be to Castaway Cay? 140 MPH winds can do some damage --- or at least change the landscape.:sad: :sad:

Stay tuned for the next installment of
"As Frances Turns" and pray that she does.
 
from the looks of the track and what i read of the reports today, normal ports of st thomas and san juan got some rain and a bit of wind but didn't really have too much damage, so if we can get out of a port near enough, and i don't think that there is a florida port too far away to make it there, we should be able to dock there.
 
looked at weather.com for forecast for pc, fri calls for partly cloudy, sat calls for squalls; forecast for tampa is partly cloudy on fri and scattered t storms on sat; kw forecast for fri is scat t storms on fri and partly cloudy on sat.
 

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