Octuplet Grandmother....WOW!

[SharkyGoddess]

Interesting. My nails are long, but they are not artificial. I've NEVER had a problem with my nails and infections. My daughter was also a preemie and no one ever said a word to me about them being a no-no. I used to get compliments from the NICU nurses about them.

Sorry, totally off topic from the OP.

My nails are long and acrylic and I've never had any infections nor have my children FROM my nails, including my first who was a preemie. Come to think of it, I don't know of any of my friends who DON'T have their nails done. Getting a manicure or pedicure, or having your hair and make up done doesn't make you a bad mom.

As for the grandmother, I agree only with the PP who said she's an enabler and nothing more. She is no better than any other grandma out there crying the blues because she's raising a baby. If she hadn't coddled her own child so damn much and actually raised them to be an adult and make adult decisions she wouldn't be in the position she's in now. So I do not feel sorry for her one bit. The mother (Nadya) seems spoiled and irresponsible. An attention wh*** to the extreme!

 

[yeartolate]

Interesting. My nails are long, but they are not artificial. I've NEVER had a problem with my nails and infections. My daughter was also a preemie and no one ever said a word to me about them being a no-no. I used to get compliments from the NICU nurses about them.

Sorry, totally off topic from the OP.

Even though we wear gloves for everything...we are still required to keep nails short and NO artificial nails.

Center for Disease Control says this

Fingernails and Artificial Nails

Studies have documented that subungual areas of the hand harbor high concentrations of bacteria, most frequently coagulase-negative staphylococci, gram-negative rods (including Pseudomonas spp.), Corynebacteria, and yeasts (14,342,343). Freshly applied nail polish does not increase the number of bacteria recovered from periungual skin, but chipped nail polish may support the growth of larger numbers of organisms on fingernails (344,345). Even after careful handwashing or the use of surgical scrubs, personnel often harbor substantial numbers of potential pathogens in the subungual spaces (346--348).

Whether artificial nails contribute to transmission of health-care--associated infections is unknown. However, HCWs who wear artificial nails are more likely to harbor gram-negative pathogens on their fingertips than are those who have natural nails, both before and after handwashing (347--349). Whether the length of natural or artificial nails is a substantial risk factor is unknown, because the majority of bacterial growth occurs along the proximal 1 mm of the nail adjacent to subungual skin (345,347,348). Recently, an outbreak of P. aeruginosa in a neonatal intensive care unit was attributed to two nurses (one with long natural nails and one with long artificial nails) who carried the implicated strains of Pseudomonas spp. on their hands (350). Patients were substantially more likely than controls to have been cared for by the two nurses during the exposure period, indicating that colonization of long or artificial nails with Pseudomonas spp. may have contributed to causing the outbreak. Personnel wearing artificial nails also have been epidemiologically implicated in several other outbreaks of infection caused by gram-negative bacilli and yeast (351--353). Although these studies provide evidence that wearing artificial nails poses an infection hazard, additional studies are warranted.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

I'm not saying you kick them out on the curb with nowhere to go. She needs to help her come up with a plan for her and the children. Start by finding and holding down a job. I'm pretty sure that she can find help paying for daycare. We're not talking about a 15, 18, 20 year old girl. We're talking about a 33 year old woman. In my head, she has not done what's best for her daughter or for those grandkids. She doesn't even have to kick them out, but she should not allow the daughter to walk all over her, making babies while Grandma supports them. She doesn't even help with money to feed them! My SIL had her first baby at 15. Got pregnant with 2nd one at 17. My MIL said, well, you decided to make them, you can take care of them. She made it just fine.

 

[Feralpeg]

OK, but what can you say about the doctor? It was reported that the grandparents pleaded with the doctors to try and stop this.

The doctor should lose his license. He is being investigated by the state.

 

[joviroxx]

Is it even physically possible to take care of 8 babies and 6 under 7yrs old with 1 autistic, by yourself? Lord, the messes people put themselves and others into amaze me.

 

[cheermom1]

I think the grandma sis try to get her to stop b/c she did plead with the docs. but they did it anyway. who's to say she didn't try b4? and i agree i would want to keep them under my roof to make sure they were ok b/c their mom is WACKO!!!

 

[Feralpeg]

Oh, gimme a break. Some of you really expect the grandmother to kick her own grandkids out of her home? The only home these kids have ever known? And clearly, their grandmother is more of a mother to them than their real mother. So yes, she should just look in those kids eyes and say, sorry, I know your mother is a total whack job who clearly has mental issues, but you need to leave my home right now. And sorry, you'll probably all be split up and put into foster care because clearly your mother cannot care for you.

Yeah, I'm sure that is what the grandmother should do. This poor woman.

Yes, I do think the best thing the grandmother could do would be to kick them out. The state is watching this situation very closely. As soon as that happened, they'd be in there taking the kids. I know that the grandmother has been the real mother to them, but what will happen to them when she falls over dead? She isn't a young person. Fourteen kids could kill a young, healthy person. It shouldn't be her responsibility and it isn't fair to her or the kids. They need to be placed in good homes away from their crazy mom.

Yes, they would be split up, but visitations with the grandmother could be arranged. In the long run, it would be much better for them than their current arrangement.

 

[yeartolate]

Good question. Who paid for it?

That is the million dollar question. My friends that have gone through IVF have had mostly to pay up front or some approved credit plan. I will be disgusted if Medicaid allows for it.

Medical ethicists will have a feild day with this one.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

This is probably way off the wall, but could she have been a guinea pig for the doctor. One who thought he'd get some sort of fame or recognition for it. I don't know what, but most people don't do crazy things just for the fun of it and I really don't see where the money is coming from...

 

[freckles and boo]

My understanding is that, because of her history, she had many embryos implanted in each previous IVF and each of those resulted in single births. She claims that six embryos were implanted and two of those split to create two sets of identical twins. The doctor had to know the risks but because of her history didn't expect this result. That doesn't excuse her desire for a seventh child when she already had six children and no job.

 

[DVC Sadie]

Yes, I do think the best thing the grandmother could do would be to kick them out. The state is watching this situation very closely. As soon as that happened, they'd be in there taking the kids. I know that the grandmother has been the real mother to them, but what will happen to them when she falls over dead? She isn't a young person. Fourteen kids could kill a young, healthy person. It shouldn't be her responsibility and it isn't fair to her or the kids. They need to be placed in good homes away from their crazy mom.

Yes, they would be split up, but visitations with the grandmother could be arranged. In the long run, it would be much better for them than their current arrangement.

I completely agree with everything you have posted on this thread.

 

[Frankiesmom]

Yes, I do think the best thing the grandmother could do would be to kick them out. The state is watching this situation very closely. As soon as that happened, they'd be in there taking the kids. I know that the grandmother has been the real mother to them, but what will happen to them when she falls over dead? She isn't a young person. Fourteen kids could kill a young, healthy person. It shouldn't be her responsibility and it isn't fair to her or the kids. They need to be placed in good homes away from their crazy mom.

Yes, they would be split up, but visitations with the grandmother could be arranged. In the long run, it would be much better for them than their current arrangement.

The grandmother can't kick them out-it's the mom's (Nadya's) house. The parents lost their home and moved in with the daughter and the kids.
The mother is a complete enabler just looking for her 15 minutes.
If that was my mom trash talking me on the radio/news I'd kick her out
But, that wouldn't be an option in this situation as she needs her mom to help care for these kids. But I'd still be really po'd.
God bless those kids- and give that nutty mom the strength she's going to need to raise them all.

 

[hoosll]

After hearing Nadya speak with so much authority and knowledge which she says came from her own research ... I wondered if this is a case of Munchausen by proxy... someone who needs attention and uses her children and medical providers to supply the attention that she craves... in this case having babies.

This woman was hospitalized for many weeks BEFORE the octuplets were born. Her parents were taking care of the 6 kids while she was hospitalized. I think she is obsessed with medical attention.

I'm sure that her new publicist got her all spiffed up for her appearances with Curry including her nails.

I keep waiting for a plastic surgery story to emerge.

Earlier it was said that the grandmother had filed for bankruptcy because their house flipping business had failed with the real estate bust, she had three houses ...

 

[SharkyGoddess]

After hearing Nadya speak with so much authority and knowledge which she says came from her own research ... I wondered if this is a case of Munchausen by proxy... someone who needs attention and uses her children and medical providers to supply the attention that she craves... in this case having babies.

This woman was hospitalized for many weeks BEFORE the octuplets were born. Her parents were taking care of the 6 kids while she was hospitalized. I think she is obsessed with medical attention.

I'm sure that her new publicist got her all spiffed up for her appearances with Curry including her nails.

I keep waiting for a plastic surgery story to emerge.

Earlier it was said that the grandmother had filed for bankruptcy because their house flipping business had failed with the real estate bust, she had three houses ...

Wasn't it rumored some where that the grandfather made some sort of comment to the media about having a mansion but no one will ever find it? I've been reading so many crazy things about these nut cases lately that it could have been something completely made up I came across, but I remember seeing that some where. These people have a much bigger story that has yet to surface, or at least that's how how I feel at this point.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

There went my coffee...

So sorry, but those things have to come out and the bulb only does so much! I promise that I scrub my nails afterward.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

My nails are long and acrylic and I've never had any infections nor have my children FROM my nails, including my first who was a preemie. Come to think of it, I don't know of any of my friends who DON'T have their nails done. Getting a manicure or pedicure, or having your hair and make up done doesn't make you a bad mom.

As for the grandmother, I agree only with the PP who said she's an enabler and nothing more. She is no better than any other grandma out there crying the blues because she's raising a baby. If she hadn't coddled her own child so damn much and actually raised them to be an adult and make adult decisions she wouldn't be in the position she's in now. So I do not feel sorry for her one bit. The mother (Nadya) seems spoiled and irresponsible. An attention wh*** to the extreme!

Wow, talk about a generalization!! I agree that this case is strange (to say the least), but to apply this situation to every grandmother raising a grandchild is ridiculous.

Yes, I do think the best thing the grandmother could do would be to kick them out. The state is watching this situation very closely. As soon as that happened, they'd be in there taking the kids. I know that the grandmother has been the real mother to them, but what will happen to them when she falls over dead? She isn't a young person. Fourteen kids could kill a young, healthy person. It shouldn't be her responsibility and it isn't fair to her or the kids. They need to be placed in good homes away from their crazy mom.
Yes, they would be split up, but visitations with the grandmother could be arranged. In the long run, it would be much better for them than their current arrangement.

There's the big issue. No one can guarantee they will be placed in a good home. At least where they are, someone truly cares for them and loves them.

This is a difficult situation, and I can't say for certain what should be done regarding these children.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

How the heck did she afford the fertility treatments? From what I understand, they are quite expensive.

IVF is super expensive! Thank GOD for really good health insurance, or our son wouldn't be here! Even with that though, it still cost us an arm and a leg.

 

[alldiz]

The doctor should lose his license.
The mother should go to a mental hospital.

Those poor children should be placed in homes where they can be properly taken care of. End of story.

And last but not least....Give Grandma a medal for gods sake.
Kerri

 

[Laura]

Wasn't it rumored some where that the grandfather made some sort of comment to the media about having a mansion but no one will ever find it? I've been reading so many crazy things about these nut cases lately that it could have been something completely made up I came across, but I remember seeing that some where. These people have a much bigger story that has yet to surface, or at least that's how how I feel at this point.

Everyone's contradicting each other in this situation. It's hard to know who's telling the truth.

 

[Desnik]

Wait a sec....I have long nails and have had them since before I had my first child. I haven't seen the video so I can't say HOW long you mean, but I can assure you that having long nails is NOT what makes this woman a nut case. I have never injured my children with my nails nor have they ever gotten in the way of my care for them. Actually, in some cases they can be handy! My pinky nail is great for getting the little boogers that are in my little guys nose. Yeah, that is gross and there is a lot of scrubbing with a nail brush afterward, but still.

My nails are long and acrylic and I've never had any infections nor have my children FROM my nails, including my first who was a preemie. Come to think of it, I don't know of any of my friends who DON'T have their nails done. Getting a manicure or pedicure, or having your hair and make up done doesn't make you a bad mom.

My BFF had triplets and they were premies. She has had long acrylic nails forever and they(the Dr's) made here get rid of them. She wasn't allowed to have them near the babies because of them harboring germs. Of course she got them taken off immediately. My son was a premie and no one ever said anything to me about my nails. Maybe because it's a premie birth with multiples that make the babies even more vulnerable than single birth premies? Who knows.

I would also wonder when she(octuplets mom) has the time to get her nails done and where she gets the money?

This whole story is nuts. Irresponsible Dr's and a nut case of a mom. I feel so bad for her children.