Octuplet Grandmother....WOW!

[marymrg]

I can't pretend to totally comprehend this situation but my initial thoughts are that perhaps the grandparents could be the foster parents to the original six and raise them separately from the preemies. That way, the mom would have to set up her own support systems for the babies without the help of her parents. (financial, emotional, etc)

To make this work, the grandparents would need to be willing and able to take on the care of the older children. If they can't do that, regardless of the reason, then I could see the state taking the older kids into temporary custody if the mother can't provide for all of them on her own. I won't fault the grandparents if they decide they can't handle the situation anymore.

In the end, I bet the mother will get her million dollar book deal and will buy some stability initially. I hope if that happens, that social workers will be able to monitor the household because I think there probably is some mental illness involved.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Yes, I do think the best thing the grandmother could do would be to kick them out. The state is watching this situation very closely. As soon as that happened, they'd be in there taking the kids. I know that the grandmother has been the real mother to them, but what will happen to them when she falls over dead? She isn't a young person. Fourteen kids could kill a young, healthy person. It shouldn't be her responsibility and it isn't fair to her or the kids. They need to be placed in good homes away from their crazy mom.

Yes, they would be split up, but visitations with the grandmother could be arranged. In the long run, it would be much better for them than their current arrangement.

How much pain would the children suffer being away from their siblings? Not all foster care homes are good, by saying that the children should be separated and farmed out to strangers the only one to suffer would be the children.

 

[pweyl36]

I think the Grandma is doing the right thing. I wish she'd done it sooner. It seems this mother has a lot of entitlement issues going on. She wants, wants, wants and doesn't think of the consequences. The only part of the interview with Anne Curry I saw was when she said she would "love her children. Be with her children." Does she not realize that is what many mom's do and want, but single mom's have to have a job to support those children and spend many hours away from home to provide the necessities. I just couldn't believe what a snarky, ignorant comment she made.

I see another katie in the making.

 

[DizBelle]

The doctor should lose his license. He is being investigated by the state.

What did he do that was illegal? All I can tell is that he provided fertility treatment to a woman with fertility issues. He provided medical treatment to a woman with a medical problem. Is there a psychological evaluation you have to go though and pass before you can be provided with fertility treatments?

If she had had all of these children the "natural" way, would everyone be upset? As far as I know, there is no law that dictates how many children you are permitted to have - regardless of your mental or psychological state. Do we sterlize men and women we don't deem fit to be parents? Is this something that is done that I wasn't aware of?

I don't recall there being a test you have to pass to become a parent of however many children you want to have.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

What did he do that was illegal? All I can tell is that he provided fertility treatment to a woman with fertility issues. He provided medical treatment to a woman with a medical problem. Is there a psychological evaluation you have to go though and pass before you can be provided with fertility treatments?

If she had had all of these children the "natural" way, would everyone be upset? As far as I know, there is no law that dictates how many children you are permitted to have - regardless of your mental or psychological state. Do we sterlize men and women we don't deem fit to be parents? Is this something that is done that I wasn't aware of?

I don't recall there being a test you have to pass to become a parent of however many children you want to have.

On the TODAY show they had a fertility doctor and a bioethics person.

They both said that there are guidelines they follow, no laws.

The fertility doctor said he would have turned her away because she does not fall under his guidelines.

 

[MushyMushy]

What did he do that was illegal? All I can tell is that he provided fertility treatment to a woman with fertility issues. He provided medical treatment to a woman with a medical problem. Is there a psychological evaluation you have to go though and pass before you can be provided with fertility treatments?

If she had had all of these children the "natural" way, would everyone be upset? As far as I know, there is no law that dictates how many children you are permitted to have - regardless of your mental or psychological state. Do we sterlize men and women we don't deem fit to be parents? Is this something that is done that I wasn't aware of?

I don't recall there being a test you have to pass to become a parent of however many children you want to have.

Doctors can refuse to perform sterilization procedures on people they deem "too young" for it. I had to fight my own ob/gyn for a tubal and I was 28 and on my 2nd child!

So it's not a real stretch for them to take a step back and evaluate the situation before performing any procedure.

 

[KiKi Mouse]

There is a new video of the mother visiting the children and her nails are perfectly manicured and long. Anyone who has had children should know that long nails and babies don't mix. I know it seems silly but it's one of the first things I noticed in the video.

Personally if I had 6 kids at home to deal with and eight in the hospital I would not be going to manicures.

 

[floridafam]

shmoogrrl,

That's kind of what I meant. I don't fault her for having long nails. The whole thing just seems weird-she just got out of the hospital, somehow she found time to get a manicure while she has 14 children, how did she pay for it, her house is a mess and she's out getting manicures.

Something just isn't right here. The IVF, pregnancy and such costs a lot of money. Where is that money coming from?

 

[Camicar]

Iin re the fingernails: My mother was a nurse and she always said, "Show me a nurse with long fingernails and I'll show you an unnecessary infection at best and a death at worst."

A few years ago, there was news about a NICU somewhere in the midwest with a higher than normal death rate. They investigated thoroughly and determined it was due to the NICU nurses' long fingernails. Basically, there is no way to fully clean such nails and even if there were, it was not being done between patient to patient, patient to instrument, etc.

I remember the story very well because my first thought was, "Wow, if Mom were still alive, I'd be sending her this article and she'd be saying, 'Told you so.'"

So if you had a preemie and long nails, consider yourself lucky that your child did not get an infection.



As for this mother, I'd like to know
1. how if she's on disability for her back, she was able to have all those pregnancies and an octuplet pregnancy. Time for someone to investigate for disability fraud.
2. how she paid for IVF. When my dh and I were declared infertile, although we were both working and had insurance, we could not have afforded IVF. By the time we could have saved up enough, they told me I would be ineligible because I would be 'too old.'

 

[yeartolate]

Personally if I had 6 kids at home to deal with and eight in the hospital I would not be going to manicures.

She should be hunkered in caring for her 6, pumping her breasts for the new 8. Turning down interviews because she really has the kids best interest at heart.

But having a manicure should be a dream.

 

[Luvmy4boys]

How many eggs did she have to start with? (I mean from the very beginning). Didn't she say these were the last of the eggs she had left? I think she said that the other times she had embreyos implanted there were multiple ones implanted but only resulted in one baby? How eggs would a Dr. actually take and keep for a woman to use?

 

[daisax]

Has there even been proof that there's a father? I mean, obviously there's a father, but the name she used is the English equivalent of her own family names (Daoud/Suleman - David/Solomon). And she supposedly used different birthdates and places of birth for "him" on each previous child's birth certificate.

So I don't think any David Solomon is going to be stepping forward any time soon.

 

[SharkyGoddess]

Iin re the fingernails: My mother was a nurse and she always said, "Show me a nurse with long fingernails and I'll show you an unnecessary infection at best and a death at worst."

Worked in health care, had manicured, long nails as did many of my co-wokers and no one died or received any infections. Ever.

A few years ago, there was news about a NICU somewhere in the midwest with a higher than normal death rate. They investigated thoroughly and determined it was due to the NICU nurses' long fingernails. Basically, there is no way to fully clean such nails and even if there were, it was not being done between patient to patient, patient to instrument, etc.

Ewwww!!!!! These nurses were NOT following proper proceedure and washing then re-gloving between patients.

I remember the story very well because my first thought was, "Wow, if Mom were still alive, I'd be sending her this article and she'd be saying, 'Told you so.'"

So if you had a preemie and long nails, consider yourself lucky that your child did not get an infection.

Lucky? Nahhh... I just know how to wash my hands



As for this mother, I'd like to know
1. how if she's on disability for her back, she was able to have all those pregnancies and an octuplet pregnancy. Time for someone to investigate for disability fraud.
2. how she paid for IVF. When my dh and I were declared infertile, although we were both working and had insurance, we could not have afforded IVF. By the time we could have saved up enough, they told me I would be ineligible because I would be 'too old.'

.

 

[nana2tots]

I, also feel so bad for the Grandmother, they need to put the Daughter in a Mental place, i despise people that has kids like this way just to get Rich off them.

 

[daisax]

I work in one of the top hospitals in the US and there's a strict short nails policy:

BACKGROUND: The areas of the hand around the fingernail beds can harbor high concentrations of microbes, particularly when artificial nail products are used or when long natural nails are maintained. There is also evidence that chipped nail polish may support the growth of larger numbers of organisms on fingernails. Artificial nail products can prevent effective removal of these organisms even when careful handwashing or surgical scrubs are used. Studies have linked both long natural nails and artificial nail products to transmission of serious infections to patients from healthcare workers’ hands. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have included in the Guidelines for Hand Hygiene in Healthcare Settings a section on banning artificial and long fingernails and chipped nail polish when having contact with patients at high risk.

II. PROCEDURE: Short, well-trimmed natural nails are necessary to reduce reservoirs of microorganisms that can be harbored under long nails or artificial nail products.

Natural nails must be kept short (nail tips are to be kept less than ¼ inch beyond fingertip). Nail polish, if worn, must be free of chipping.

Artificial nails, which include any product applied to the natural nail other than polish, are prohibited. These products include but are not limited to tips, wraps, extenders and nail jewelry.

SCOPE: Includes staff who provide direct care for patients, including healthcare workers who provide respiratory care or have routine contact with invasive medical devices such as endotracheal and tracheostomy tubes and bronchoscopes and staff who are involved in performing invasive procedures. This includes, but is not limited to Physicians, Nurses, Physician Assistants, Nurse Practitioners, Midwives, Patient Care Assistants, Respiratory Therapists, Radiology Technicians involved in invasive procedures or assisting with invasive procedures in Angiography/CDIC /Interventional Radiology/MRI, Dental staff, and Medical, Nursing and other students per policy, as well as food handlers. (Other positions may be included in future reviews.)

Another hotbed of infection are men's neckties, which I can't find a specific policy on in our hospital, but which seem to have gone the way of the dodo in the past 5 years. Men don't wash their neckties, you see, and taking them from patient room to patient room...

 

[DizBelle]

Doctors can refuse to perform sterilization procedures on people they deem "too young" for it. I had to fight my own ob/gyn for a tubal and I was 28 and on my 2nd child!

So it's not a real stretch for them to take a step back and evaluate the situation before performing any procedure.

True, but there is no legal reason he has to refuse her treatment for her medical problem.

We can all look at the situation and say, "that's just not right." But the doctor had no legal obligation to refuse her treatment. Couldn't he also have been sued himself if he refused her medical treatment because "it didn't seem like a good idea."

Basically, if she met the requirements, then the doctor did nothing wrong (legally). He did nothing for him to lose his license.

 

[sdarwkcabemanmy]

I noticed the nails too, this morning and the first thought through my head was "When does she have time to go get a *bleeping* French manicure for *bleep*'s sake?".

My SIL began the adoption process for DNephew1 when he was still in utero. He arrived 3 1/2 mos early, so she was in the NICU with him all the time. She barely went home to sleep and shower, let alone do anything else. I can't imagine how this mom has time for ANYTHING with as many kids as she has, esp since half of them are still in the NICU.

There's something fishy going on here.... I just haven't figured out yet what it is.

 

[bubie2.5]

There's something fishy going on here.... I just haven't figured out yet what it is.

Her trout mouth maybe?

 

[Scornelius]

I'm sure that her new publicist got her all spiffed up for her appearances with Curry including her nails.
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Any publicist worth his salt would know it would be better for her to look as average as possible, as opposed to spiffed up.

 

[mickeyboat]

True, but there is no legal reason he has to refuse her treatment for her medical problem.

We can all look at the situation and say, "that's just not right." But the doctor had no legal obligation to refuse her treatment. Couldn't he also have been sued himself if he refused her medical treatment because "it didn't seem like a good idea."

Basically, if she met the requirements, then the doctor did nothing wrong (legally). He did nothing for him to lose his license.

Doctors refuse requested treatment all the time for various reasons. They refuse to do abortions because of religious convictions, they refuse to do unnecessary cosmetic procedures because of possible psychological issues, they refuse to prescribe medications just because their patient saw a commercial on tv, they refuse to perform gastric bypass surgeries if the patient has not demonstrated the ability to lose weight. It might be in their medical opinion that it is not a good idea to do it.

Doctors have a moral and professional obligation to make sure they are doing what is best for their patients. This may well be at odds with a patient's request.

I am not sure how physicians are licensed, but it is my understanding that the legal system does not license or monitor them - they have professional organizations who issue licenses and police their members. A doctor does not have to do something illegal to lose his license.