Occupancy Thread

[Johnnie Fedora]

After their done with the head counts, DVC may have to start monitoring the cleanliness of each member. The POS also states that members must shower before entering the DVC pools. If they're out to get the families of five, I hope they take the same punitive measures against those who make our pools murky.

 

[rinkwide]

A little walk through haz-mat shower ought to do it.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by lenshanem
Oh, Dean...
You are reminding me of Paul? when he tried so hard to increase the dues for us BCV owners!

That's the problem. Paul didn't do anything to increase the dues or request an increase in dues. He simply pointed out an inequity in the system. It so happened that to correct the inequity would likely require an adjustment in dues, likely at both BCV and BWV. I'm always amused when people are getting over and it gets pointed out then they act like they've been wronged, they have not. Obviously DVC is not going to cancel a pending reservation in this scenario even if they made a 90 degree turn with the occupancy enforcement.

 

[kweaver]

Quote:
"As I noted in another thread, I spent a hour talking to two DVC execs today about several issues I wanted more info on. One of the items I added to the agenda was the occupancy limit issue. According to them, and this includes the compliance officer, the official stance is that the limits are what's posted in the POS though they will not stand at the door and count heads. They seemed surprised that MS was condoning the issue including going as far as to put the party size at over the stated limit. So don't be surprised if you see some changes in this area in the next few months."

I understand that Dean was just trying to clarify DVC's position on this issue...but I am a bit disappointed that I'll have to worry about putting five in a 1BR from now on.

If DVC truly (according to many guides...and now a DVC compliance officer) isn't against putting a family of 5 with small children in a 1BR, why make "some changes" now? If they aren't going to enforce the limits, what does it matter which number is entered into the field in the database?

Even if DVC wanted to change the limit to five officially, they couldn't do so at this stage of the game. Well...not without some expense I'd guess.

My understanding is that fire codes have ZERO to do with this issue. If you can put five people in a POR room with a trundle...then considering actual room space you should be well under the fire code limit with 12 in a 2BR!

 

[kweaver]

Originally posted by Johnnie Fedora
After their done with the head counts, DVC may have to start monitoring the cleanliness of each member. The POS also states that members must shower before entering the DVC pools. If they're out to get the families of five, I hope they take the same punitive measures against those who make our pools murky.

I think they have a lot more to worry about ($$$ to lose) with the refillable mug issue!

 

[CVW]

You see, guys, the problem you have is thinking that, by disagreeing with Dean, you're disagreeing with a person. I'm afraid that's not the case.

It's time for the truth to be told.

"Dean" is not really a human. "Dean" is actually a sophisticated computer program designed by a consortium of timeshare owners, operators, and developers. The program is designed to auto-respond any time someone asks a question about timeshare.

(It should come as no surprise that "Dean" is not a person...a user profile completely devoid of information, a relative absence of humor in over 7,000 posts. And do you think a REAL person would spend an hour talking to two Disney execs about timeshare during Hurricane Ivan? Of course not.)

As you can see, the results have been an amazing success. "Dean" is able to answer timeshare questions so quickly and so accurately (nearly 365 days a year, I might add!) that the creators of the software have been commissioned to create similar programs for everything from engine repair to marriage counseling.

But those of you on the room occupancy thread may have already noticed a glitch in the "Dean" software. The "room occupancy" auto-responses often cause the system to crash, or to bog down in arcane minutiae. The programmers are aware of this, and are working on a solution.

If you wish to maximize the use of "Dean" for all of us, please avoid provoking it into room occupancy discussions. "Dean" has far too much to offer all of us as we try to understand more important issues like right-to-use contracts, direct point exchanges, and the use of pool noodles at Stormalong Bay.

 

[CVW]

Originally posted by Dean
...even if they made a 90 degree turn with the occupancy enforcement.

Again, another little glitch. I think he meant a 180 degree turn.

I'm not sure what a 90 degree turn with occupancy enforcement would be...maybe allowing your next-door neighbors to sleep with you.

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Dean, I'm sure you know I'm just kidding. I've always enjoyed your posts. They're more insightful than 90% of professional timeshare literature, even when I disagree. It's just in keeping with my personality. I always want to be the smartest kid in class. If I can't be, I make fun of the one who is.

 

[rinkwide]

"Open the pod bay doors, DEAN"

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by CVW
Again, another little glitch. I think he meant a 180 degree turn.

I'm not sure what a 90 degree turn with occupancy enforcement would be...maybe allowing your next-door neighbors to sleep with you.

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Dean, I'm sure you know I'm just kidding. I've always enjoyed your posts. They're more insightful than 90% of professional timeshare literature, even when I disagree. It's just in keeping with my personality. I always want to be the smartest kid in class. If I can't be, I make fun of the one who is.

I guess this is a case of smile when you say that. To be honest, I specifically chose 90 degrees because I believe AT MOST it would be a left turn, not a total reversal. And to clarify above, the person I was discussing with didn't say that DVC didn't care, only that there was only so much they could do.

 

[Doctor P]

Sorry, but the occupancy issue should be clear to all members: the POS and the summaries received at the time of purchase clearly indicate the occupancy limits. As a member, I have a LEGAL RIGHT to have those occupancy limits enforced and to COMPEL them to be honored. Unlike the other resorts that were referred to, DVC members have a CONTRACT as to occupancy limits. Frankly, I'm not going to push the issue, nor will most members unless there is a lot of extreme abuse, but it really amazes me how anyone can read and sign their purchase documents and think that there is any real answer to the occupancy limits than those in the documents we signed or that there is any "easy" way to change the limits.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Originally posted by kweaver
[...] If they aren't going to enforce the limits, what does it matter which number is entered into the field in the database?
[...]

The resort will only provide the number of keys that is in that database field, and there are certain benefits for on-site guests - such as EE/EMH - that require an active room key. While it's not an issue for a child under three years of age, it would be if you had five or six guest who all needed room keys.

 

[Doctor P]

I agree with you, Dr. Tomorrow, but EE/EMH has, to the best of my knowledge, never required an active room key (at least in practice). We use PH instead of having passes on our keys and have never been asked to do anything but insert our pass.

 

[DrTomorrow]

I seem to remember at least one time when they checked - but the past is pretty hazy to me these days!

 

[Doctor P]

Mine too! I think that officially they can/should check.

 

[CarolMN]

We've been asked to show resort ID when taking advantage of EMH. In our case, everyone in the party had to show ID (we didn't have anyone under 3 that time).

They may not check everyone at every park every time, but they do check. There's no way to know ahead of time if they will be checking when you want to enter. FWIW, we've seen people unable to show resort ID denied entrance.

Best wishes -

 

[Doctor P]

Glad to hear it, Carol. I'm curious as to which park or parks you had the experience--I suspect they are more likely to do it at MK. In our experience, the number of people using EMH has been very, very small (at least when we got there) and that might also be a reason why we have not experienced the ID check (though we have been ID'ed getting onto transportation to the parks in some cases).

 

[Beca]

Dean,

I also really appreciate what you do!!! I would be the first person who would LOVE to be able to put 5 in a one-bedroom, but I knew when I bought into DVC, that was not possible. I do have to admit that I was a little excited when I saw all the posts that MS was allowing this, but I would also be okay if MS suddenly stopped...I knew what I was buying when I bought.

Thanks again for all you do!!!!



Beca

 

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by Doctor P
Glad to hear it, Carol. I'm curious as to which park or parks you had the experience--I suspect they are more likely to do it at MK. In our experience, the number of people using EMH has been very, very small (at least when we got there) and that might also be a reason why we have not experienced the ID check (though we have been ID'ed getting onto transportation to the parks in some cases).

It was the MK last year in early December.

Best wishes -

 

[MELSMICE]

How I wish they would have a 1 bedroom that slept 6 - do away with the "master suite". Have a 1BR set up to include the 2nd BR of the 2BR unit. (does that make sense )

JMO, hopes & wishes!!! Doesn't look like it will ever happen.

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

We have only been asked for a resort ID once for early entry, etc. We did not have the kids keys with us and it was not an issue. Unless your admission is tied to your resort key (ours will not be unless Disney begins giving DVCers a huge discount for LOS passes), all you have to do is ask for a replacement for a lost key to get an additional one.