Obama Supporters, A question?

[babieemelly]

I completely support Clinton but if she doesn't get the nomination then I'll have no problems voting for Obama. Based on what's happened in the White House these past eight years I can't see many Democrats switching their party support because their first choice candidate didn't get the nomination, especially since Clinton and Obama's policies are very similar. As "liberal" as some people seem to think McCain is, he's not. I disagree with him on pretty much everything and would never, ever give him my vote. Far too many of my strong beliefs go directly against his.

Here's to a Clinton/Obama ticket! Now THAT would be unbeatable

 

[dcentity2000]

It's okay, Rich. I'll think of you while I vote for Hillary!

How are you doing, Feralpeg? Haven't bumped into you in a while on the DIS!



Rich::

 

[VolleyballQt07]

I'm using dd's username... I 100% support Obama. I voted for McCain in the primaries the last time he ran, but will not vote for him again. He's to close to all that is wrong in Washington.

I'm not thrilled with Hillary, but if she gets the nominations I'll settle for her I suppose.

 

[Mermaid02]

I won't vote for her.

 

[ChrisFL]

I would also add that Barack shows clear superiority when it comes to his leadership abilities (not to mention his decision making).

But I would absolutely vote for Hillary. I actually used to respect McCain before he sold his soul to the Bush white house in hopes of getting to follow him in the office.

Not to mention that McCain supports RealID which is potentially the biggest civil rights violation in the history of the U.S.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I would also add that Barack shows clear superiority when it comes to his leadership abilities (not to mention his decision making).

But I would absolutely vote for Hillary. I actually used to respect McCain before he sold his soul to the Bush white house in hopes of getting to follow him in the office.

Ditto again...

 

[JARNJ3]

I would also add that Barack shows clear superiority when it comes to his leadership abilities (not to mention his decision making).

But I would absolutely vote for Hillary. I actually used to respect McCain before he sold his soul to the Bush white house in hopes of getting to follow him in the office.

May I ask a question?

What are Mr. Obama's leadership abilities? In other words, what has he led?

Not asking to be obnoxious - I only know him as being in the State Senate - and this one term in the US Senate.

I know Hillary led Bill Clinton's initiative for Universal Healthcare (albeit, universal healthcare then was not adopted by the house or senate......)

And to answer the original - question - probably I'll vote for Obama - I have to see how this all plays out.......

 

[mudnuri]

if I can't vote for Obama, I'll vote for McCain, I'd rather not have to go through another clinton administration- since they are part of the reason we're at war right now....no thanks

Brandy

 

[wvrevy]

May I ask a question?

What are Mr. Obama's leadership abilities? In other words, what has he led?

Not asking to be obnoxious - I only know him as being in the State Senate - and this one term in the US Senate.

I know Hillary led Bill Clinton's initiative for Universal Healthcare (albeit, universal healthcare then was not adopted by the house or senate......)

And to answer the original - question - probably I'll vote for Obama - I have to see how this all plays out.......

Well, at the moment he's leading the most energetic primary campaign since Bobby Kennedy 40 years ago. In terms of what he's done since he got to congress, he's led the fight to make ethics something other than a word Republicans give lip-service to when running for office, for one thing. Go look at the bills he's co-sponsored since taking office if you want to see other examples. But the real point is that he's inspired passionate support in pretty much every corner of the country...which is something NO Democrat has managed since the Kennedys. I'm not sure how that's even arguable.

And I'm also not sure that I'd point to Hillary's leadership of that initiative as a positive...she got creamed in that fight. She was on the right side (unlike the war, to name only one example), but she still got creamed.

 

[babieemelly]

if I can't vote for Obama, I'll vote for McCain, I'd rather not have to go through another clinton administration- since they are part of the reason we're at war right now....no thanks

Brandy

McCain said he'd stay in Iraq for 100 more years... I don't know if that's what someone against the war would want.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I won't be voting. My feelings about Clinton's character and McCain's views even them out. There is no lesser of two evils there for me.

I'm leaning this way as well.

Prior to SC, Clinton was my second choice. After the things that were said leading up to the SC primary, I'm pretty much done with the Clintons.

 

[JARNJ3]

Well, at the moment he's leading the most energetic primary campaign since Bobby Kennedy 40 years ago. In terms of what he's done since he got to congress, he's led the fight to make ethics something other than a word Republicans give lip-service to when running for office, for one thing. Go look at the bills he's co-sponsored since taking office if you want to see other examples. But the real point is that he's inspired passionate support in pretty much every corner of the country...which is something NO Democrat has managed since the Kennedys. I'm not sure how that's even arguable.

And I'm also not sure that I'd point to Hillary's leadership of that initiative as a positive...she got creamed in that fight. She was on the right side (unlike the war, to name only one example), but she still got creamed.

Obama's campaign is dynamic - and he is sure great at selling himself and hope for the future - but when I think of a leader - I think more in terms of the concrete issues.... I thought you may have have some more information on his previous government experience than I have read about.

I think I look at leadership differently than you. For example - I saw that McCain led on campaign finance, immigration - trying to change the status quo.....

And yes Hillary failed - killed by the establishment, lobbyists, republicans...... change ain't easy. And she's the only one since that time who's tried to do something about the healthcare crisis in our country! So I see her as a leader in that regard - along with trying to change the course of this lousy economy.

Thanks for answering my question!

 

[wvrevy]

Obama's campaign is dynamic - and he is sure great at selling himself and hope for the future - but when I think of a leader - I think more in terms of the concrete issues.... I thought you may have have some more information on his previous government experience than I have read about.

I think I look at leadership differently than you. For example - I saw that McCain led on campaign finance, immigration - trying to change the status quo.....

And yes Hillary failed - killed by the establishment, lobbyists, republicans...... change ain't easy. And she's the only one since that time who's tried to do something about the healthcare crisis in our country! So I see her as a leader in that regard - along with trying to change the course of this lousy economy.

Thanks for answering my question!

As I pointed out the other day, the simple fact is that the president does not create law (at least, presidents that understand the constitution don't). All he or she can do is lead the country in the direction he thinks it should go. Barack can get people to follow him in that direction. Even some that don't agree with him on all issues (and I include myself in that group).

What it comes down to is...there is a huge difference between a policy wonk - someone that gets in there, gets their hands dirty, and tries to finagle solutions - and a statesman. I used the example of JFK standing on the capitol steps and saying that the US was going to the moon. He didn't have a step-by-step instruction manual in his pocket for how to build the Apollo program. He simply led the country in that direction, and the country followed. THAT is leadership...the kind of leadership you would get from Barack Obama.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Well, at the moment he's leading the most energetic primary campaign since Bobby Kennedy 40 years ago. In terms of what he's done since he got to congress, he's led the fight to make ethics something other than a word Republicans give lip-service to when running for office, for one thing. Go look at the bills he's co-sponsored since taking office if you want to see other examples. But the real point is that he's inspired passionate support in pretty much every corner of the country...which is something NO Democrat has managed since the Kennedys. I'm not sure how that's even arguable.

And I'm also not sure that I'd point to Hillary's leadership of that initiative as a positive...she got creamed in that fight. She was on the right side (unlike the war, to name only one example), but she still got creamed.

Robin pointed out something on the "cult" threat that I think bears mentioning. In Obama's speeches, the pronouns used are "we" and "us". In McCain's speeches, the pronouns used are "I" and "me".

Leadership isn't about doing it all on your own-in fact it's not about "you" at all. It's about creating a dynamic where others want to do things that they didn't even know they wanted to do before you spoke. It's about seeing the greater possibility that exists in groups of people coming together towards a common goal. It's about showing people the goal, and then helping them find their place in achieving it. I think Senator Obama is showing that he knows how to lay out that goal and give people the confidence to believe that it can be achieved.

I'm not saying Hillary can't do this, because she's shown that she can. She has people that have worked for her and with her since Arkansas and she inspires great loyalty. She also knows how to lay out a goal and take the practical steps to achieve it. What she's lacking so far, IMHO-is that sense of "we" and "us" that gives people the feeling that they're part of the achievement of that goal. She's getting there, her speeches are really quite good. I also have seen her work a town meeting and she really does connect very well with people.

As my signature suggests-I admire much about both of these candidates and I wish like anything that one of them had run in 2004. I think we would have seen a very different outcome.

 

[wvrevy]

Robin pointed out something on the "cult" threat that I think bears mentioning. In Obama's speeches, the pronouns used are "we" and "us". In McCain's speeches, the pronouns used are "I" and "me".

Leadership isn't about doing it all on your own-in fact it's not about "you" at all. It's about creating a dynamic where others want to do things that they didn't even know they wanted to do before you spoke. It's about seeing the greater possibility that exists in groups of people coming together towards a common goal. It's about showing people the goal, and then helping them find their place in achieving it. I think Senator Obama is showing that he knows how to lay out that goal and give people the confidence to believe that it can be achieved.

I'm not saying Hillary can't do this, because she's shown that she can. She has people that have worked for her and with her since Arkansas and she inspires great loyalty. She also knows how to lay out a goal and take the practical steps to achieve it. What she's lacking so far, IMHO-is that sense of "we" and "us" that gives people the feeling that they're part of the achievement of that goal. She's getting there, her speeches are really quite good. I also have seen her work a town meeting and she really does connect very well with people.

As my signature suggests-I admire much about both of these candidates and I wish like anything that one of them had run in 2004. I think we would have seen a very different outcome.

There's a saying about leadership that I always applied to Dubya...If a leader doesn't have anyone following him, he's just a guy out taking a walk.

My opinion, but I think Barack will have plenty of people ready to take that walk with him. I'm not sure Hillary can inspire that kind of following, even if she may know the machinations of power better than he does.

 

["Got Disney"]

if I can't vote for Obama, I'll vote for McCain, I'd rather not have to go through another clinton administration- since they are part of the reason we're at war right now....no thanks

Brandy

ummmm Brandy this makes no sense....you are against the war and blame the Clinton's but will vote for a McCain as your candidate that wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years....could you please clarify.

And why cant you vote for Obama?

I would vote for either Obama or Hillary although I favor Hillary.

I have no doubt that if Obama gets the vote Hillary will stand behind him and ask her voters to vote for Barach...just like i think Barach will do if she gets the nod....

they both are very similar and DO NOT WANT A REP IN and will do what it takes to be sure that A Dem gets in office.

We can only hope for a DREAM ticket...

 

[LuvDuke]

If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, will you be voting for Hillary or against John McCain? Meaning, will you be a less than enthusiastic Clinton supporter?

It will be irrelvant who the Democratic nominee is. Tens of millions would sooner vote for Donald Duck than vote for a Republican.

 

[lauraf]

[quote="Got Disney";23104688]ummmm Brandy this makes no sense....you are against the war and blame the Clinton's but will vote for a McCain as your candidate that wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years....could you please clarify.

And why cant you vote for Obama?

I would vote for either Obama or Hillary although I favor Hillary.

I have no doubt that if Obama gets the vote Hillary will stand behind him and ask her voters to vote for Barach...just like i think Barach will do if she gets the nod....

they both are very similar and DO NOT WANT A REP IN and will do what it takes to be sure that A Dem gets in office.

We can only hope for a DREAM ticket...[/quote]
I agree with what you have to say. Unless I have missed something, I thought Bush got us in this war. I prefer Hillary, and I did watch all the debates and was trying to figure out why Obama is so popular. I have asked many people why they like him and all I hear is he is inspirational, reminds them of Kennedy, or simply they like him. I haven't heard specifics on what he's going to do in office, but I have tried to figure out what he has to offer, You can't clean up the mess with inspiration. I think Obama will get the nomination and if he does I am undecided, and probably won't vote. I think Obama's intentions are good but he doesn't have the experience to clean up the mess Bush has created. I really hope I am wrong about Obama and that he will be able to make positive changes. And I have one question to anybody out there. What was so great about Kennedy, what great things did he do in office? I am only familiar with all the affairs he had with women and his assassination. Thanks everybody

 

[Bobbles]

Well, judging from what I have read here so far, it would seem that most folks would vote Democrat regardless of who won the nomination.

That shows a united front.

But it is still early and the real mud has yet to fly.

We will have to see if Obama can stand the real heat or not. Hillary has shown over the years that she can.

And for the record, I will vote for either Democrat over McCain. (I wouldn't have said that 8 years ago.)

 

[Laura]

I actually used to respect McCain before he sold his soul to the Bush white house in hopes of getting to follow him in the office.

I completely agree with that. I vote Democrat this November, regardless of who's the nominee.