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::yes:: ::yes:: I feel like Hillary has the "my way or the highway" mentality that Bush is known for and if she is wrong, she tends to point out out someone else is wrong before owning up to her mistakes - I think her failed candidacy (one can only hope), poorly planned campaign, and lack of fiscal responsibility during the primary is only the start.

This is my sense as well, and if she is by chance elected I don't think her health plan stands a snowball's chance in Hades. I think she will use the 'my way or the highway' stance with the requirement that *everyone* has to participate in the plan and there will be no flexibility.
 
The headline should read: Clinton "cackles" off Colombian trade question ;)

Clinton laughs off Colombia questions
Posted: 11:39 AM ET

Watch Clinton laugh off a question on Colombia.

PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) – Hillary Clinton used her trademark laugh Thursday to deflect a question about the $800,000 her husband earned in 2005 giving speeches for a Bogota-based group that supports the Colombia free trade agreement — the same trade deal she currently opposes.

Asked by CNN if those earnings represented a conflict of interest given that she has dipped into her family's pocketbook to pay campaign bills, Clinton threw up her hands and laughed loudly for several seconds.

"How many angels dance on the head of the pin?," she responded, continuing to giggle. "I have really, uh, nothing to … I mean, how do you answer that?"

The New York senator explained there are different sides to the argument over trade, and re-emphasized her own opposition to the trade deal, assailing the Colombian government's "outrageous" record of "targeting labor leaders."

www.cnn.com
 
This is my sense as well, and if she is by chance elected I don't think her health plan stands a snowball's chance in Hades. I think she will use the 'my way or the highway' stance with the requirement that *everyone* has to participate in the plan and there will be no flexibility.

Oh there is NO way her plan would get passed - Democrats in Republican leaning districts would probably never even vote for it.
 
It's nice we don't lie to our neighbors about Hillary on this thread. ;)

:sad2: Oh, gawd.

I would go reply (based on my own experience with the Obama campaign) that the campaigns have scripts and clear talking points for calls and canvassing that revolve around talking up your candidate, not tearing down the competitor, but then I'm just not going to assume how that campaign rolls.

This is a great article on making calls for Obama.

5 Myths about Phonebanking.
UPDATE: I have received multiple requests to re-post a diary that I wrote last week so here ya go! And many thanks to all the wonderful comments, success stories and thanks I got from fellow Kossacks. Smileycreek's comment: I tried it..and you're right!" Smileycreek started dialing, followed some of my tips, and was able to put another PA voter in the Obama column by just making a few calls. And so can you! Original post: http://www.dailykos.com/...

I understand that the idea of phonebanking can be intimidating, but the reality is much different from what most of us imagine.

Some of you may also wonder if phonebanking even really makes a difference.

So I thought I’d post a few mythbusters about phonebanking to help encourage some of you who may be on the fence to start making calls- BECAUSE IT DOES WORK AND IT'S EASIER THAN YOU THINK. I also have a few quick tips- and one super-tip for those of you who are already on board.

newyorknewyork's diary :: ::
NOTE: These notes are based on my experience making hundreds of calls to states from coast to coast as well as reports I’ve heard from members of some of the communities I belong to.

MYTH #1: People will argue / rant / scream / curse at you.

The fact is that you are much more likely to hear mean-spirited comments on the internet than you are over the phone

People can say some pretty nasty things on the internet where they are somewhat undercover but I have YET to come across this in speaking with anyone live. (Also keep in mind you’d be calling democrats and- on occasion a few independents- but no Republicans). .

In the highly unlikely event that you do get that one a**hole who wants to let loose on a total stranger you simply say "thanks for your time" and move on.

No big deal. Not the end of the world. Move on.

MYTH #2: A lot of people will hang up on you

The reality is that I usually get more people THANKING me for calling than I do hang-ups.

Think of how you'd feel if an Obama volunteer called you! Well, that's how many people feel. They are truly GLAD that you called.

I’m not going to lie though, you will get a FEW hangups but in most cases it appears to have little if anything to do with the nature of the call. These are usually people that just don’t like to get ANY calls and would do the same thing if you were calling for Clinton or McCain. So it's not anything against your OR Obama- don't take it personally.

The truth is that most people who don’t want to talk are usually polite enough to at least say "I’m busy / not interested / cooking dinner" etc. rather than just hanging up.

MYTH #3: You’re not going to change anyone’s mind

This is probably the biggest myth of them all.

Every time I call I get at least a few more people in the Obama column as well as a few undecideds leaning more in his direction.

So, bottom line: calling works!

MYTH #4: Ok, it might help some but it won’t make a BIG difference

FALSE! In addition to #3 above, phonebanking does 3 other very important things:

a. Helps identify Obama supporters who want to volunteer but don’t know how to sign up (barackobama.com) or haven’t been asked. They have a BIG need for more office volunteers in PA right now.

b. You help Obama’s ground team identify where their strong and weak areas are so they know where to concentrate their efforts.

c. You inspire others to get more involved. I’ve talked with dozens of people who say that they are encouraged by my call and are now inspired to do more themselves.

MYTH #5: I have to be an expert on the issues / policies to be effective

**See my super-tip below for an effective and easy way to deal ANY issue**

The phonebanking page has scripts for you to follow and is super easy. Only rarely will you ever get into any kind of serious discussion about a certain issue. If you do though an easy way to deal with this is to keep the barackobama.com page open and click on "issues" to see his stance on the issue. It’s also ok to say that you aren’t familiar with the specifics on that particular issue. People can’t expect you to know everything.

Note: In many cases you can even call people of certain demographic groups similar to your own such as: students, women, etc. where you probably share some issues in common.

NOW, a few quick tips:

Be natural- change a word or two in the script and talk like you would to a friend. Don't follow the script so closely that you sound robotic.
Stay positive- focus on why you’re for Obama not why you’re against someone else.
Empathize first. Say "I hear ya" or "I understand" then say "that’s why I like..."
EXAMPLE: They say "I like Hillary's healthcare plan better." You say "I can understand that. She does have a good healthcare plan, Obama's is pretty good too- but here's one thing that I like about Obama (use super-tip below about IMPLEMENTING plans. Especially the lobbyist part- if you want a healthcare plan to get PASSED that's hard to do when you take money from Pharmaceutical and Insurance lobbies)

Now for the super-tip! You can use this with ANY issue that comes up:
Let's face it, Obama and Clinton’s policies are 95% identical. So ‘who has the best policy’ is not really that important. It’s who is most likely to be able to IMPLEMENT that policy that really matters.

What good is a good policy if it never gets implemented? A great policy on paper is like giving someone a car that doesn’t run. Who wants a great looking car that sits in the garage?

As Obama has famously said:

Our problem is not a lack of good ideas. The problem is that Washington is a place where good ideas go to die.

People love this quote when I tell it to them! Then tell them this:

Obama is much more likely to actually get these policies in place for 3 main reasons:

He doesn’t take money from lobbyists or special interests who block policies from getting through.
He has a broad appeal- brings independents and republicans on board so we can have the majority votes needed to get them passed.
He inspires the American people to get engaged in politics. When more people wake up, start paying attention and demanding that their elected officials take action that is when we’ll see more being done.
So there you have it folks.

Now what are you waiting for? Go make some calls!

http://my.barackobama.com/...

Do we want Obama to get this nomination or what?!

This race is not over yet and Obama needs our help!
So whaddya say, will you give it a try tonight? This weekend?

The campaign has a goal to make 1 MILLION calls to PA before April 20th.

We also need to register more voters in NC before tomorrow's deadline- April 11th. http://my.barackobama.com/...
 

Thanks for posting that Noel. I was so nervous in the beginning when I did phone banking but you get more and more comfortable as you go on - and hearing from an actual volunteer is much more effective than a campaign ad, robo call, or mailer!

I'm going to be making calls to PA this weekend.

I got my uncle to switch from R registration to D and he's voting for Obama. :teeth:
 
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This is my sense as well, and if she is by chance elected I don't think her health plan stands a snowball's chance in Hades. I think she will use the 'my way or the highway' stance with the requirement that *everyone* has to participate in the plan and there will be no flexibility.

Yep, and her pigheaded ways are the reason her first health plan didn't get through.
 
Yep, and her pigheaded ways are the reason her first health plan didn't get through.

Wonder if everything would be closed door the second time around? Thankfully she won't be in the WH and we don't have to worry about that. :woohoo:
 
So I guess the new way of deflecting questions you don't want to answer is is to cackle and throw up your arms?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA

Anyone else as uncomfortable with that as I am? Just weird.

I had posted the story from CNN a few posts back but hadn't seen the video - did you hear all the cameras going off when she started the cackle and hands throwing in the air? I bet they got some great "hillary-faces."

"How do I answer that?"

She was clearly asking the press for some help in answering it.
 
I had posted the story from CNN a few posts back but hadn't seen the video - did you hear all the cameras going off when she started the cackle and hands throwing in the air? I bet they got some great "hillary-faces."

"How do I answer that?"

She was clearly asking the press for some help in answering it.

Sounds like something Bush would do IMHO....
 
Have you guys heard that Obama isn't going to give "walking around money" in Philadelphia?

I'm sorry, that's like bribing your volunteers to go door to door, are they kidding me? If you have to bribe your volunteers to do this, they're really not worth having IMHO...

What a disgusting practice, we can raise our heads high that Obama is not going to stoop to what is essentially extortion by big time political bosses.... I'm glad not too many area's practice this type of politics :confused3
 
Have you guys heard that Obama isn't going to give "walking around money" in Philadelphia?

I'm sorry, that's like bribing your volunteers to go door to door, are they kidding me? If you have to bribe your volunteers to do this, they're really not worth having IMHO...

What a disgusting practice, we can raise our heads high that Obama is not going to stoop to what is essentially extortion by big time political bosses.... I'm glad not too many area's practice this type of politics :confused3

Oh, but he's "just saving it for the SD's"...I mean, I read it on the Hillary thread, so it must be true!

:lmao: :rotfl: :rotfl2:

Guys, word of advice...stay off that thread. It just isn't worth the effort. They posted that article (about Obama refusing to ostensibly pay bribes to local politicos) as if it were a negative thing about Obama. :rolleyes: They give him a hard time for claiming not to be "just another politician" and wanting to change the way things work...then give him a hard time for not acting like every other politician. :lmao: It feels too much like arguing with Bush supporters for my comfort. :sad2:

S'ok...I made the mistake of posting there earlier, but I won't go back.
 
I saw that, too. I think the article said something about how "that's what all candidates have done before".

I think if you want to change how politics are done nowadays, you have to break some practices that are not conducive to what you want to do.

Why should they be "paid" to do their volunteer work just because, "well that's how we've always done it."

The rest of the country doesn't do that, I don't think. And really, it does amount to "well I'll help you only if you pay me". Then it appears you are paying for votes. Why would any candidate want to appear to be "buying" the votes of the people?

I understand that these volunteers do do a lot of work, and so does the rest of the country. I guess this is a case of the "almighty dollar" being all that some people are in it for. :guilty:
 
I saw that, too. I think the article said something about how "that's what all candidates have done before".

I think if you want to change how politics are done nowadays, you have to break some practices that are not conducive to what you want to do.

Why should they be "paid" to do their volunteer work just because, "well that's how we've always done it."

The rest of the country doesn't do that, I don't think. And really, it does amount to "well I'll help you only if you pay me". Then it appears you are paying for votes. Why would any candidate want to appear to be "buying" the votes of the people?

I understand that these volunteers do do a lot of work, and so does the rest of the country. I guess this is a case of the "almighty dollar" being all that some people are in it for. :guilty:

Coming from someone who volunteers for free, I agree with you! I don't get it, he's running on a platform of change to politics and they want him to pay for votes essentially... That would smell of a CONFLICT OF INTEREST, but then again some people and threads are familiar with that type of thing....
 
So I guess the new way of deflecting questions you don't want to answer is is to cackle and throw up your arms?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA

Anyone else as uncomfortable with that as I am? Just weird.

But according to her, she and Bill discuss everything! So perhaps the cackling is just a form of mis-speaking in the land of Clinton.

The Clintons' questionable ethics, and HRC's distant relationship with the truth have always been, and will remain, troubling for me.
 
A little more about Bill Richardson's decision. Interesting.

"But Richardson, in his interview with Times reporter Mark Z. Barabak, said he stopped short because he grew upset over the nasty tone of the presidential campaign and increasingly heavy-handed pressure from the Clinton camp.

He concedes that before endorsing Obama, he wrestled with the question of loyalty to the ex-president, who named him U.N. ambassador and then put him in his Cabinet. But, Richardson said, he finally concluded that he had done his part and had settled his debt.

"I was loyal," Richardson said. "But I don't think that loyalty is transferable to his wife. You don't transfer loyalty to a dynasty."

And no, Richardson added, there has been no talk with Obama about the second spot on the presidential ticket, or of any other job in a prospective Obama administration.

"I never say never in politics, but I'm not pining for it," he said."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/bill-richardson.html
 
Guys, word of advice...stay off that thread. It just isn't worth the effort. .......

S'ok...I made the mistake of posting there earlier, but I won't go back.

I have posted several negative things about Hillary on the Obama thread - and will continue to do so - there seems to be no end to the material she supplies.

But I have NEVER posted any of this stuff on the Hillary site. That bit of courtesy has not been appreciated - they complain about what has been posted here - didn't like my Pinnochio picture. Too bad.



Asked by CNN if those earnings represented a conflict of interest given that she has dipped into her family's pocketbook to pay campaign bills, Clinton threw up her hands and laughed loudly for several seconds.

Hillary's cackle and quote when asked about her use of money earned by Bill's speeches:
"How many angels dance on the head of the pin?," she responded, continuing to giggle. "I have really, uh, nothing to … I mean, how do you answer that?"
How about HONESTLY - that would be a new approach.
 
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