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[Hound 109]

I just stated that jihads have been going on for centuries & that BO was NOT educated in Africa.

http://www.historyofjihad.com/sitemap.html

I didn't come to debate. Had anyone here corrected the poster above, I wouldn't have posted.

I didn't come to get insulted, just to provide info. If BO attended school in Africa I stand corrected.

Why would I be attacked when i only provided info? (& yes I'm aware that Bin Laden's rise came from the ashes of Afghanistan & the catalyst was our troops in Arabia during Bush 1). Not a right wing Islamo scary comment....just general info.

There is plenty to debate from what i've read & i didn't & haven't. Suggesting I just crawled out from under a rock was rude & insulting when I only offered two pieces of info & didn't debate or comment on them.

& please correct me if BO attended school in Africa....I read his biography & didn't see it.

 

[Laura]

I just stated that jihads have been going on for centuries & that BO was NOT educated in Africa.

http://www.historyofjihad.com/sitemap.html

I didn't come to debate. Had anyone here corrected the poster above, I wouldn't have posted.

I didn't come to get insulted, just to provide info. If BO attended school in Africa I stand corrected.

Why would I be attacked when i only provided info? (& yes I'm aware that Bin Laden's rise came from the ashes of Afghanistan & the catalyst was our troops in Arabia during Bush 1). Not a right wing Islamo scary comment....just general info.

There is plenty to debate from what i've read & i didn't & haven't. Suggesting I just crawled out from under a rock was rude & insulting when I only offered two pieces of info & didn't debate or comment on them.

& please correct me if BO attended school in Africa....I read his biography & didn't see it.

Pardon us, but we're not all posting at 1 or 2am. But where did you get attacked? Did you say you believe Obama is Muslim? The "under a rock" comment was chris1gill's reference to the 10% polled who still think Obama's a Muslim--particularly now after the whole Rev. Wright thing having been all over the media. I would call believing that living under a rock, wouldn't you? And no, Obama didn't attend school in Africa, it was Indonesia. There he went to Catholic and public schools, the latter, naturally, having predominantly Muslim students.

Honestly, I think we're all getting too touchy here. There are some people who are relieved they have an "excuse" to not vote for Obama because they're closet racists. That doesn't mean everyone who's for Hillary falls under that umbrella, and not everyone who's for Obama is a closet sexist. Seriously--we all need to get over ourselves and not get offended at every other comment.

 

[va32h]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24070668]I think for many it just has to do with his judgement. Judgement on Rev Wright and Obama stating that a man like Rev. Wright is his moral compass and listening to him rant(Wright not Obama) on and off for 20 years, in addition to him being his mentor. For many it puts a question of why would he stay there?

If Obama was not running for POTUS than most would just turn there heads and walk away and say well what ever floats your boat. But we are talking judgement. If his judgement is not that great where his church is concerned than how could his judgement be as president.

I myself would never ever stay in a church that has a pastor like that...no way no how. And the new one is just as bad. I myself keep trying to separate myself from this and I just keep coming back to it. Best it runs and runs alot know because than it will get old and tiring and if he gets the nomination it will have been old news. I say better it gets all the attention know instead of later.

I have not ran up against anyone that has said that they are afraid of him due to his being black. But many are afraid of how he will run the country due to many factors. Being an Obama supporter you wont see that as others that do not support him see.

Remember the more junk that comes out know the better. Old news gets passed by in a general a lot easier that if it came up during that time.[/QUOTE]

You know it's funny....Obama keeps getting slammed for the whole "20 years he listened to this" and "he was married by this man" and "he had his kids baptized by this man".

Except that the comments that have everyone in a twitter didn't happen 20 years ago. They didn't happen before the Obamas married. They didn't happen before his children were born.

They happened very recently, and there is no proof that Obama was present when those sermons - which are so carefully edited down to the most shocking news bites possible - took place.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Hillary says she would have walked out of that church. Eh. Maybe. It would depend on how much that church and that pastor could do for her.

She sat on the board of Walmart - WALMART, the most anti-union corporation in the country - for six years. A large part of the Clinton wealth in the 80's came from Hillary's Walmart stock. They continue to be buddies with Walmart execs to this day.

Am I supposed to believe that Walmart's low wages, sorry record on health care and aggressive anti-union policies were kept secret from Hillary during her time on the board?

It's a question of judgment indeed. And IMO any professed liberal that could sit on that board without being horrified and disgusted is totally without judgment. Or scruples.

How she has the nerve to get up before the unions, or to say she represents the middle class, when Bill is throwing dinner parties for the Walmart CEO - that just makes me gag.

Would Hillary have stood up for her pastor, refused to sever a relationship with someone she liked because it stood in the way of her political gain? Heck yes. Susan McDougal went to jail for the Clintons; does anyone think Bill and Hill would have done the same for her, or for any of their Arkansas cronies?

I sure don't.

What scares me is not Obama but a president who comes to the White House having taken so many favors and done so many deals that every decision she makes is not based on what is best for the country but what is best for her career.

That's how I see Hillary Clinton.

 

[lilyv]

Isn't this the supporters thread??? Were there stealthy gremlins in the night here?
I think this is the first time I've come here and seen a few "This message is hidden because..."

Well, anyway it's Friday!! Happy Friday, Everyone!

 

[JARNJ3]

Since we have visitors I might as well give them a thrill. I believe many of those so 'exercised' about 'pastor-gate' are using their 'horror' over Wright's comments as cover for their true feelings. It's the same with the 'muslin' and 'not patriotic' rumors and e-mails. They don't want to think of themselves or have others think of them as racist but they really don't want a black man to be elected President. So they've found ways to feel comfy not only not voting for him but to explain why. After all, if he has an 'evil pastor' who he won't 'denounce' then he must be evil, too and you can't vote for someone who's evil. And besides, he might be a Muslim and he might hate the U.S.! Who could vote for someone like that.

Wow.

Ok then......

 

[lilyv]

The big news....

From Ben Smith's Blog:
Dean wants closure by July 1
"A potential game-changer from CBS News and "The Early Show." Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says he wants superdelegates to make a decision by JULY 1 -- the most specific he has been in his effort to prod the party to decide between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton before the Democratic National Convention in late August.

Harry Smith asked if after the nominating contests end with the South Dakota and Montana primaries on June 3, "Do you want the superdelegates to have some sort of vote immediately so that you'll know months in advance of the convention what the outcome is?”

Dean replied: “Well, I think the superdelegates have already been weighing in. I think that there's 800 of them and 450 of them have already said who they're for. I'd like the other 350 to say who they're at some point between now and the first of July so we don't have to take this into the convention.”

An aide explains that July 1 is not a drop-dead deadline: "The point is before the convention, ideally in June."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/BREAKING_Dean_wants_closure_by_July_1.html

 

[marybet]

I just stated that jihads have been going on for centuries & that BO was NOT educated in Africa.

http://www.historyofjihad.com/sitemap.html

I didn't come to debate. Had anyone here corrected the poster above, I wouldn't have posted.

I didn't come to get insulted, just to provide info. If BO attended school in Africa I stand corrected.

Why would I be attacked when i only provided info? (& yes I'm aware that Bin Laden's rise came from the ashes of Afghanistan & the catalyst was our troops in Arabia during Bush 1). Not a right wing Islamo scary comment....just general info.

There is plenty to debate from what i've read & i didn't & haven't. Suggesting I just crawled out from under a rock was rude & insulting when I only offered two pieces of info & didn't debate or comment on them.

& please correct me if BO attended school in Africa....I read his biography & didn't see it.

It was my niece that said Africa and I knew he went to a school somewhere over there, what I tried to correct her on was the fact that I didn't think they were training 7 year olds to be terrorist. He may have gone to a Muslim school for a few years but that doesn't make him Muslim. We may learn things at a young age but that doesn't mean we will believe them forever. I was raised Catholic, now I'm an atheist. The point of the story was not where he went to school but that some people think he must be a Muslim because he went to a Muslim school. I really don't care where he went to school so I just never checked it out.

 

[Laura]

It was my niece that said Africa and I knew he went to a school somewhere over there, what I tried to correct her on was the fact that I didn't think they were training 7 year olds to be terrorist. He may have gone to a Muslim school for a few years but that doesn't make him Muslim. We may learn things at a young age but that doesn't mean we will believe them forever. I was raised Catholic, now I'm an atheist. The point of the story was not where he went to school but that some people think he must be a Muslim because he went to a Muslim school. I really don't care where he went to school so I just never checked it out.

He didn't go to school in Africa, but in Asia: Jakarta, Indonesia. Not that it really matters.

 

[lilyv]

Probably good if we remember why the debaters come here...they want replies to keep up a "debate".
They can debate on the liberal thread all they want.
It's probably not a good idea allow the good intent of the thread to be hijacked by rumors, etc.

This thread exists to be a positive place to talk about Obama's Campaign.

 

[chris1gill]

Pardon us, but we're not all posting at 1 or 2am. But where did you get attacked? Did you say you believe Obama is Muslim? The "under a rock" comment was chris1gill's reference to the 10% polled who still think Obama's a Muslim--particularly now after the whole Rev. Wright thing having been all over the media. I would call believing that living under a rock, wouldn't you? And no, Obama didn't attend school in Africa, it was Indonesia. There he went to Catholic and public schools, the latter, naturally, having predominantly Muslim students.

Honestly, I think we're all getting too touchy here. There are some people who are relieved they have an "excuse" to not vote for Obama because they're closet racists. That doesn't mean everyone who's for Hillary falls under that umbrella, and not everyone who's for Obama is a closet sexist. Seriously--we all need to get over ourselves and not get offended at every other comment.

Thanks Laura, I didn't think I had to explain my comment, I thought it was pretty clear & yes, some of us post at 1 or 2 in the morning I will stand by what I said, anyone who thinks Obama is a Muslim right now has been under a stinking rock, period.

In fact I'll re-quote what I said:

"You cannot change the mind of people who believe these things. Nor can you apparently change 10% of the publics mind, that he is, in fact not a muslim. As I said, where have they been, under a rock?"

How is that an attack? Last night a poll was released that said 10% still people Obama is Muslim, that's not my number, that's the number from a poll released last night.

 

[marybet]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24070721]ummmmm your kidding right???? you think that people that don't vote Obama are racist and using Wright as an excuse???? Myself and millions of others decided not to vote for him before Rev Wright came about.

Me not voting Obama has nothing to do with his color and everything to do with how I feel he will run the country. Unless you are thinking this way because you don't like Hillary because she is a woman? sounds kinda silly doesn't it

I am sure your reason for not voting for Hillary is the same reasons that I prefer not to vote Obama.[/QUOTE]

You didn't read her post now did you? She said people who use "pastor-gate" as a reason, since you said you weren't voting for him before Rev. Wright than she didn't mean you. Pay attention.

 

[lilyv]

Good news from PA.
Pennsylvania's Bob Casey Will Endorse Obama, Tour With Campaign
"Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey will endorse presidential candidate Barack Obama today and join his tour of that primary battleground state, a campaign spokesman said.

Casey, a Democrat, will announce his support for Illinois Senator Obama at a rally in Pittsburgh and join him for a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania...."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLvQ34Jvj2dA&refer=home

 

[bimshire]

Hillary says she would have walked out of that church. Eh. Maybe. It would depend on how much that church and that pastor could do for her.

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I wonder if Hound or another Hillary supporter can explain the above self righteous comment delivered by their candidate? Now, Hillary has been with the philandering slick Bill for more than 20 years while he has been disrespecting her time and time again with Paula, Kathleen, Monica and all the others that haven't yet come forward. In light of the above comment to get the media off of her Bosnia outright Pinnochio lies, how come she did not walk out on Bill?

 

[chris1gill]

Good news from PA.
Pennsylvania's Bob Casey Will Endorse Obama, Tour With Campaign
"Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey will endorse presidential candidate Barack Obama today and join his tour of that primary battleground state, a campaign spokesman said.

Casey, a Democrat, will announce his support for Illinois Senator Obama at a rally in Pittsburgh and join him for a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania...."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLvQ34Jvj2dA&refer=home

Excellent, add another super to the count

 

[chris1gill]

I wonder if Hound or another Hillary supporter can explain the above self righteous comment delivered by their candidate? Now, Hillary has been with the philandering slick Bill for more than 20 years while he has been disrespecting her time and time again with Paula, Kathleen, Monica and all the others that haven't yet come forward. In light of the above comment to get the media off of her Bosnia outright Pinnochio lies, how come she did not walk out on Bill?

Any self respecting woman would have left, but that's just my opinion and what I would have done. Perhaps if it was a one time thing, we could have gone to counseling, but I doubt it. My Husband knows not to go there because he will be living elsewhere and he knows I'm more than serious. It's a matter of self respect.

And in regard to Wright? What did Clinton's preacher say??

 

[Laura]

Good news from PA.
Pennsylvania's Bob Casey Will Endorse Obama, Tour With Campaign
"Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey will endorse presidential candidate Barack Obama today and join his tour of that primary battleground state, a campaign spokesman said.

Casey, a Democrat, will announce his support for Illinois Senator Obama at a rally in Pittsburgh and join him for a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania...."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLvQ34Jvj2dA&refer=home

That is good news!

 

[wvrevy]

FTR, he scares the heck out of me!. Because he's a far left liberal who's shown he's very good at hiding that fact behind a lot of soothing rhetoric.

You really need to go find out how Obama - that "far left liberal" worked with the ultra-conservative police unions and ultra-liberal anti-death penalty advocates to pass legislation in Illinois that both groups could live with regarding the taping of police questioning of suspects. He got two groups that usually wouldn't be caught dead on the same side of any issue to actually agree and fully support (the bill was nearly unanimously passed in a split legislature) his compromise bill.

Saying that he's "hiding behind" anything at all just shows that you don't know much about what the man has actually accomplished.

I wonder if Hound or another Hillary supporter can explain the above self righteous comment delivered by their candidate? Now, Hillary has been with the philandering slick Bill for more than 20 years while he has been disrespecting her time and time again with Paula, Kathleen, Monica and all the others that haven't yet come forward. In light of the above comment to get the media off of her Bosnia outright Pinnochio lies, how come she did not walk out on Bill?

Yeah...kinda hard to talk about how good her "judgment" is when she either a) was duped for years over Bill's philandering, or b) knew about it and stayed with him for political reasons. Considering her pandering ways (that interview with Mellon-Scaffe's newspaper still disgusts me), I'd guess the latter.

 

[Laura]

Personally, I don't care why Hillary stayed with Bill. Not my marriage, not my business. Is it something I would do? Probably not, but I haven't been in her situation either.

 

[lilyv]

Personally, I don't care why Hillary stayed with Bill. Not my marriage, not my business. Is it something I would do? Probably not, but I haven't been in her situation either.

I'll leave their long lasting relationship them. But, had they asked me(like that would happen. ) I would have suggested to them to not send their daughter out on the campaign trail. She shouldn't have to deal with their very public relationship baggage, but it's also silly for an almost 30 year old (campaign surrogate) to refuse to talk to reporters.

 

[va32h]

Personally, I don't care why Hillary stayed with Bill. Not my marriage, not my business. Is it something I would do? Probably not, but I haven't been in her situation either.

I don't care either. What goes on in their marriage is between them.

However, I do find it hypocritical of Hillary's supporters to claim Obama shows a lack of judgment to spend 20 years in the company of a minister who says things that many find offensive when Hillary spent more than 20 years married to someone who did things many people found offensive.

You don't choose your family, they say, but you do choose your minister. Well you choose your spouse too. Hillary apparently finds something worthy in Bill, despite his moral transgressions. So why is it so shameful that Obama finds something worthy in Rev. Wright, despite his?