Obama supporters! - A positive place to talk about his campaign

[lilyv]

I think supporters on both side should keep focus on the fact that McCain is our common opponent instead of Hillary & Obama (even if we all sometimes lose sight of that). But McCain is coming out the victor here, so we should all be mindful of that.

You are right, of course. But, I've realized (since Hillary endorsed McCain) that, there is a portion of the democratic party that will do everything to undermine Obama-if Hillary can't win, they will try hard to make sure that Obama loses, as well. I would never tolerate that kind of disloyalty in a candidate I supported. I admit to still being stunned by the endorsement of McCain. There's always something new in politics-but that was one divisive tactic.

Still, I am hoping that when this is all over, Obama is the candidate, and, come Jan 2009, I'd love for him to be President of ALL the United States.

 

[chris1gill]

Just wanted to touch base. I'll join you guys for a latte. Is it just me, or is there an insane amount of anger out and about? Were they hoping Obama would tolerate all the innuendo, smears, and go home and let Mom take over the campaign??????

Sorry...just couldn't help myself. I've answered about the upteenth angry Clinton person.....

Yes, there is, it's pretty amazing.... My Husband who is NOT a die hard liberal by any stretch of the imagination but comes from the city, is in total agreement with what Obama said today. When I asked him about his disowning the pastor (since this is what people are suggesting), DH was incredulous.... his answer to me was, what about all those Catholics, they don't disown their priests... They just keep going to Church anyways. He grew up & went to a Catholic high school, was even an alter boy at the time of many "issues" at his school. He often jokes he just wasn't pretty enough. His rational point being, he often did not agree with what his church said, but he cherry picked what worked for him in his life.

 

[Fitswimmer]

You are right, of course. But, I've realized (since Hillary endorsed McCain) that, there is a portion of the democratic party that will do everything to undermine Obama-if Hillary can't win, they will try hard to make sure that Obama loses, as well. I would never tolerate that kind of disloyalty in a candidate I supported. I admit to still being stunned by the endorsement of McCain. There's always something new in politics-but that was one divisive tactic.

Still, I am hoping that when this is all over, Obama is the candidate, and, come Jan 2009, I'd love for him to be President of ALL the United States.

And I believe that there are Obama supporters out there that would do the same thing to Hillary. Politics is a blood sport and there are those on all sides that will employ a scorched earth policy if it suits them. There are Obama supporters who are Clinton haters and will run to vote for McCain if she beats him. I can't understand anyone in either camp dooming the country to 4 more years of failed policies because their chosen Democrat lost.

 

[chobie]

And I believe that there are Obama supporters out there that would do the same thing to Hillary. Politics is a blood sport and there are those on all sides that will employ a scorched earth policy if it suits them. There are Obama supporters who are Clinton haters and will run to vote for McCain if she beats him. I can't understand anyone in either camp dooming the country to 4 more years of failed policies because their chosen Democrat lost.

Cutting off their noses to spite their faces. What will either side say to their daughters/nieces/ etc. when Roe v Wade gets overturned during McCain's presidency? Or when their sons/nephews get drafted for this war that will not end? Sorry honey, but I was more concerned about being right about my candidate then your future?

 

[lilyv]

And I believe that there are Obama supporters out there that would do the same thing to Hillary. Politics is a blood sport and there are those on all sides that will employ a scorched earth policy if it suits them. There are Obama supporters who are Clinton haters and will run to vote for McCain if she beats him. I can't understand anyone in either camp dooming the country to 4 more years of failed policies because their chosen Democrat lost.

Thus far I haven't see Obama endorse McCain. My hope is that he will continue to take the high road.
The Clinton endorsement was a truly shocking thing to me. (This wasn't done by supporters, it was done by the candidate, herself.) Maybe I'm just not jaded enough...or it's possible I need to do a bit more reading as this may have been done in the past and I was just not aware of it.

Your point of 4 more years is valid.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Thus far I haven't see Obama endorse McCain. My hope is that he will continue to take the high road.
The Clinton endorsement was a truly shocking thing to me. Maybe I'm just not jaded enough...or it's possible I need to do a bit more reading as this may have been done in the past and I was just not aware of it.

Your point of 4 more years is valid.

I don't think it was her finest moment, but I'm not holding her feet to the fire for it. I think it looked better on paper when someone wrote it then when it actually got said. I notice she's dropped that line from her recent speeches, so she may have seen that it was not the smartest thing ever too.

I've seen plenty of Obama supporters say some really hateful things about Hillary and say that they will either vote McCain or not at all if she wins. Either way the result is the same-McCain wins and we get 4 more years.

 

[lilyv]

I don't think it was her finest moment, but I'm not holding her feet to the fire for it. I think it looked better on paper when someone wrote it then when it actually got said. I notice she's dropped that line from her recent speeches, so she may have seen that it was not the smartest thing ever too.

I've seen plenty of Obama supporters say some really hateful things about Hillary and say that they will either vote McCain or not at all if she wins. Either way the result is the same-McCain wins and we get 4 more years.

I do feel better to know she's not still running on that endorsement. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[zulaya]

Honestly, if by some chance Obama doesn't win the nomination, I will probably write him in.

I am an independent voter...I do not vote party lines. I vote for the best person for the job. And I do think that's Obama.

I will not vote for "the better of two evils"...which, unfortunately, is how I would feel if it was a choice between Clinton and McCain.

 

[chris1gill]

Honestly, if by some chance Obama doesn't win the nomination, I will probably write him in.

I am an independent voter...I do not vote party lines. I vote for the best person for the job. And I do think that's Obama.

To that end, Tom Daschle was just on MSNBC and said today's speech was written entirely by Obama against the wishes of his top talking heads, it was that important to him to tell what is his story....

I think those of us who have watched him and his campaign knew that and got that sense, and the original reports this morning by the pundits said it was written by him, but Tom Daschle really is in the know on this and it was good to hear it come up. The fact that any Presidential candidate can stand in front of the American people and speak so candidly and honestly about something so personal, says an awful lot.

 

[WildernessBride]

To that end, Tom Daschle was just on MSNBC and said today's speech was written entirely by Obama against the wishes of his top talking heads, it was that important to him to tell what is his story....

I think those of us who have watched him and his campaign knew that and got that sense, and the original reports this morning by the pundits said it was written by him, but Tom Daschle really is in the know on this and it was good to hear it come up. The fact that any Presidential candidate can stand in front of the American people and speak so candidly and honestly about something so personal, says an awful lot.

I thought it was an excellent speech, natural and from the heart. It reminded me of how superior he is to McCain in that department. I caught a couple of McCain victory speeches after some of the earlier primaries and he was reading off of the teleprompter so obviously, it was just horrible public speaking, not natural at all. It is reassuring to know the candidate I am backing can express himself honestly and openly with the American public.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

As someone who voted for him in my state, I can say that I pray that he now does NOT win. His spiritual advisor says a lot about who he is because you seek advice from those you admire and have the same morals. There is absolutely no way to get around it. He is a great speaker but he is now done in my eyes. I just wish this came out months back. Thank goodness he did not win in my state at least. I am so saddened, we had an African American male and a woman running for President, it was incredible, it gave me goosebumps, now I feel disgusted. He would have brought the country together but I no longer believe he is the person I thought he was. And you are who you associate with, particularly someone whose job it is to spiritually advise you, there is absolutely no way to get around it. I would liken it to Hillary Clinton having David Dukes as her spiritual advisor or best friend. And his speech did nothing to change this, in fact made it worse. All I can say now is GO HILLARY!

 

[chris1gill]

As someone who voted for him in my state, I can say that I pray that he now does NOT win. His spiritual advisor says a lot about who he is because you seek advice from those you admire and have the same morals. There is absolutely no way to get around it. He is a great speaker but he is now done in my eyes. I just wish this came out months back. Thank goodness he did not win in my state at least. I am so saddened, we had an African American male and a woman running for President, it was incredible, it gave me goosebumps, now I feel disgusted. He would have brought the country together but I no longer believe he is the person I thought he was. And you are who you associate with, particularly someone whose job it is to spiritually advise you, there is absolutely no way to get around it. I would liken it to Hillary Clinton having David Dukes as her spiritual advisor or best friend. And his speech did nothing to change this, in fact made it worse. All I can say now is GO HILLARY!

Boy, there are an awful lot of Catholics who should have left the church, there are a lot of Evangelical's that should have left the church, anti gay, anti catholic, pedophiliacs run amiss.. the list goes on.

You vote on a politician by his voting record and his ability to affect change, Obama does both of those things. He is transparent where Hillary is not. She use Karl Rove tactics to do her dirty work, so while you may damn Obama for what his preacher said, you'll be doing the same thing to many others if you look at all the issues.

 

[lilyv]

From the Boston Globe:

"Obama provided a coda that tied this ongoing struggle to his politics of hope -- suggesting that the benefit of all this hard work will take the form of unified action on priorities such as health care and housing that challenge all Americans.

But this speech will be remembered as the moment that Obama got a little more down and dirty, and grounded his candidacy in serious mechanics of governance. He tried to take apart the engine and get some grease on his hands rather than just pat the hood.

This wasn't the gauzy vision of diversity draped in tapestry metaphors and colored in rainbow hues: It was a nation confronting its sins and overcoming its deeply held fears and prejudices.

"We have a choice in this country . . .," Obama said. "We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy . . . We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card . . .Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time."

For perhaps the first time in the 2008 campaign, Obama presented a big problem as something to be confronted by average people -- the aggrieved white worker, the black person fuming about injustice -- who are part of his own political constituency. There was no corporation or lobbyist or rival politician in the picture."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/analysis_obama.html

 

[chris1gill]

From the Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/analysis_obama.html

And this is why we read the Boston Globe in our house.

 

[Aristocath]

I just watched his speech from his website and all I can say is WOW! This is why I support Barack Obama.

On a side note, the Texas Democratic party has denied Hillary's request to delay the county/senate district conventions scheduled for March 29. They will go on as scheduled.

 

[lilyv]

And this is why we read the Boston Globe in our house.

I've been doing a lot of reading today, especially at the Dis...And what I see is sad. All I can figure is there is a firm expectation the superdelegates will overturn the primary results.
In the meantime, I expect Obama to take the high road. Whatever happens, he's going to do his best, and when he needs to talk honestly to the American people, he will.
If the coronation happens, Obama will be my choice for 2012. What I won't do is get into personal ugliness with Clinton supporters.

My issue these days? I am thinking often about the troops, especially as we approach that awful 4,000 lost mark. Of course, that number doesn't include those wounded in the war. The troops and their families are in my prayers. They have sacrificed so much over the last 5 years. God bless them all.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Boy, there are an awful lot of Catholics who should have left the church, there are a lot of Evangelical's that should have left the church, anti gay, anti catholic, pedophiliacs run amiss.. the list goes on.

You vote on a politician by his voting record and his ability to affect change, Obama does both of those things. He is transparent where Hillary is not. She use Karl Rove tactics to do her dirty work, so while you may damn Obama for what his preacher said, you'll be doing the same thing to many others if you look at all the issues.

Yeah but what preacher or priests preach this from the pulpit or preach what they've done as right if they have done something "bad." This preacher is proud of what he feels and it is part of their church's beliefs, and this is Obama's church for 20 years. How do you get past that. You cannot in anyway get around this. I wish I could, I went over it over and over in mind. Its what it is, and it speaks volumes about him. And any church that had a priest or leader that did something I didn't like, especially when it came to such deep beliefs like this preacher, I would run to the high hills. Yet Obama didn't do that. It would be like me having a priest who did something wrong as the above poster stated, and it was and preached on the pulpit as right, and I still went to the church, thats what Obama did. This man thinks his beliefs are correct, and so do the people in his church, thats why they go there. And that was Obama's church. He holds this man in high esteem, and he never really says its wrong, he sort of tiptoes around it, at least not wrong enough, and makes excuses for it. Obama is a brilliant man and a brilliant speaker but I can't get past this. I hope somehow I do but right now I'm scared, thats really how I feel, and I voted for him.

 

[lilyv]

http://www.wwj.com/Democratic-Re-do-Likely-Won-t-Happen/1844462

"It's appearing more and more likely there will not be a re-do of the Democratic presidential primary election. WWJ Lansing Bureau Chief Tim Skubick reports state Senate Democrats came out of a closed door meeting Tuesday morning and said there are not enough votes to approve a re-do.

Legislative approval is necessary for a re-vote to happen.

Speaking live on WWJ, Skubick said it would take a "miracle" to have the re-do approved, but he added it's still possible.

There has been no comment from the Michigan Democratic Party. A spokesman said they are waiting to see what the legislature does."

 

[lilyv]

Yeah but what preacher or priests preach this from the pulpit or preach what they've done as right if they have done something "bad." This preacher is proud of what he feels and it is part of their church's beliefs, and this is Obama's church for 20 years. How do you get past that. You cannot in anyway get around this. I wish I could, I went over it over and over in mind. Its what it is, and it speaks volumes about him. And any church that had a priest or leader that did something I didn't like, especially when it came to such deep beliefs like this preacher, I would run to the high hills. Yet Obama didn't do that. It would be like me having a priest who thought having relations with a child was "right" or having relations with other women, etc., whatever it was and preached it on the pulpit as right, and I still went to the church, thats what Obama did. He holds this man in high esteem, and he never really says its wrong, he sort of tiptoes around it, at least not wrong enough, and makes excuses for it.

Obama support thread..

 

[chris1gill]

I've been doing a lot of reading today, especially at the Dis...And what I see is sad. All I can figure is there is a firm expectation the superdelegates will overturn the primary results.
In the meantime, I expect Obama to take the high road. Whatever happens, he's going to do his best, and when he needs to talk honestly to the American people, he will.
If the coronation happens, Obama will be my choice for 2012. What I won't do is get into personal ugliness with Clinton supporters.

My issue these days? I am thinking often about the troops, especially as we approach that awful 4,000 lost mark. Of course, that number doesn't include those wounded in the war. The troops and their families are in my prayers. They have sacrificed so much over the last 5 years. God bless them all.

I was thinking last night about the troops, rarely do I forget about them. Unlike many, I recognize that there is a time to bring them home.... But I also look at our downward spiraling economics, our divisive Rovian style politics, lobbyists that love to run things, and I see the problems. Our far reaching foreign policy does not help, McCain now brings up Iran, I reject that. I reject that we should be in Iraq for 100 years. Why do we need to be there? To stop the mess we started... I find myself thinking about a lot of things, and the one thing that is undeniable is that our current President is not able to admit any wrongdoing, any mistake, any serious economic problems, he couldn't write his own speech if his life depended on it, neither could John McCain.... I won't argue these points, they are the points I hold personally, and my mind will not change on them.

So back to the Boston Globe